Topic: Which Truck/Car Maker is the Best?
started by: smartsnake
Posted by smartsnake on Jul. 23 2002,03:26
Yea my friend and I were talkin shes for ford im for Chrysler. Whats your choice?
Posted by CatKnight on Jul. 23 2002,04:06
go ne0n! woo hoo!?
Posted by blanalex on Jul. 23 2002,04:38
I'd go for Honda/Acura first (unless your name is Jacques Villeneuve or Olivier Panis and you're a F1 racer), then with Mazda (even is some parts are made by Ford, the overall quality is a bit higher), then with Toyota (go Celica!
Posted by Rhydant on Jul. 23 2002,05:01
GM and Ford are both corupt corporate machines.and the other only makes old town cars that old people drive.
Posted by Beastie Dr on Jul. 23 2002,06:10
BMW.
Posted by Uberkommando on Jul. 23 2002,06:41
| Quote (Beastie Dr @ 23 July 2002,00:10) |
| BMW. |
All the way.
Posted by ic0n0 on Jul. 23 2002,07:59
Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 23 2002,13:43
Dodge trucks. (NEW)Ford trucks. (pre 97)
Chevy (GMC) trucks (pre 80)
Gm cars. Just way to much you can do to the motor, trans, and rears of these cars.
Hemi (mopar product) motors. (if you can find them) that and the 351 was a good motor.
What do i want to drive? 1968 cammaro convertable with a blown 427cid motor out of a vette with a custom trans and rear to handle the ~800 hp to come out of the motor. Keep your rice burners. this thing will suck a honda through the intake and burn it for fuel!
for everyday driving i would take one of the big Benzs. If your going to get a comfortable car you may as well get one built by people that can get a million miles out of every engine they ever made.
Posted by jim on Jul. 23 2002,14:32
GM(Period) Specifically GMC and Hummer. You won't catch me driving anything else. Period.
Posted by Necromancer on Jul. 23 2002,15:19
Land Rover for ever baby!
Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Jul. 23 2002,15:37
| Quote (jim @ 23 July 2002,06:32) |
| GM(Period) Specifically GMC and Hummer. You won't catch me driving anything else. Period. |
Im with Jim. Im not saying theyre perfect, just the lesser of all the evils. Plus its what I was brought up on.
Ford has extensive head gasket problems with their 93-98 cars, especially the 3.8 v6. They're automatic transmission is run by BELTS instead of hydrolic fluid, ecu programming that makes "find the wumpum" look like shuttle launching code, and who can forget that whole bridgestone suv flipping over and killing people thing. Almost all of thier trucks drive like cars, which is ok if you dont actually use it as a work truck. If you do you better have a f250 or 350.
Now they get credit for the engineering and ingenuity. They have some of the strongest rear ends available. The ford 9" is a monster. They were the first of the big 3 to go to Dohc in thier muscle car. Now whether it works well or not is to be seen. Its getting there but not as perfected as pushrod.
Mopar has not made a decent transmission since the torque-flite in the old hemi days. Talk to 1/3 of all durango owners and 1/2 of all avenger/sebring owners and they'll tell you how it wont go into or out of first gear. The whole bottom half of their car line has engines built by mitsubishi... we wont get into that but its not the best for reliability. Their trucks are stout, and mostly reliable. Not the best on fuel economy but if your buying a 1 ton truck you probably dont care much about that.
Mopar gets props for slapping 2 extra cylinders on thier sports car. The only of the big 3 with a 10 cylinder. Its a monster engine but will grenade itself at will. At willow springs track in cali vipers hold the lap record for speed on 1 lap, none of the 3 cars that set that time finished 3 laps. All had mechanical failures. The next closest time for a viper to actually finish 3 laps is number 36th.
Gm has had close to the same designs save the body work for close to 50 some years. They have made no major changes besides the aspiration and looks of their line. They still use a pushrod engine in thier trucks and sports cars. Its very reliable at the cost of some performance. I had 435,000 miles on my camaro before I swapped the engine. Dont let anyone tell you american cars as a whole are unreliable. Now they did make some bad decisions with the saddle mounted fuel tanks from the late 70s early 80s and if you have a truck with thier vortec engine you should definatly get rid of it by 50,000 miles. The fuel injection system on the vortec's has what we will call "issues". But I have a 91 S10 that on more occasions than I have fingers, toes and other extraneous body parts had all 4 wheels off the ground. I have put some of the hardest 100,000 miles on and the only repairs needed so far have been replacement grilles, but usually that was due to me hitting something. The chevrolet tahoes and GMC line of trucks still cease to amaze me with the durability and usability they provide. They fit somewhere between fords sedan like comfort and dodges "Im a fucking truck and Ill bounce the shit out of you if I feel like it" yet they still perform like an all out work truck.
Anyway enough ramblings. Your best bet is to talk to owners and take a look at the nhtsa and alldata recalls and complaints.
Posted by ic0n0 on Jul. 23 2002,19:33
Posted by Neophyre on Jul. 24 2002,07:49
have you guys over in the US seen the Monaro? i think one of your manufacturers has a deal with Holden australia to produce it under their badge.damn sexy and powerful in my opinion :D
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 24 2002,10:29
Hummer's are good...at least the original. Fuck the H2 (flips bird in Jim's direction)
GO SCHWINN!
AND WHY THE FUCK WON'T IT LET ME VOTE!!! DAMN IT!
Posted by BlackFlag on Jul. 24 2002,11:20
Ford.
Posted by ShakerMaker on Jul. 24 2002,12:11
| Quote (Neophyre @ 23 July 2002,23:49) |
| have you guys over in the US seen the Monaro? i think one of your manufacturers has a deal with Holden australia to produce it under their badge. damn sexy and powerful in my opinion  |
GM would be importing it and re-tooling it for the US market. Who needs a truck when you can have a Monaro!
Posted by jim on Jul. 24 2002,14:24
| Quote (joelthegreat @ 23 July 2002,20:29) |
| Hummer's are good...at least the original. Fuck the H2 (flips bird in Jim's direction) |
Name me one vehicle in it's class an price range that can go toe to toe with the Hummer H2 and you win.
Otherwise, you are just a dumb fuck.
Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Jul. 24 2002,15:52
| Quote (jim @ 24 July 2002,06:24) |
| Name me one vehicle in it's class an price range that can go toe to toe with the Hummer H2 and you win. |
Alright Jim, I like hummer and all but do you really need to climb a 60* incline or offroad enough to require that nasty of a suspension. Im willing to bet the only real offroading you do is driving to the store for milk when it snows, which is once ever 10 years since you live in texas.
Now if you must have something that can pull better numbers than your hummer for what ever bigger dick contest you're in with your neighbor get one of < these >. They surpass the hummers abilities by far.
Edit: Much cheaper too.
Posted by Crafty Butcher on Jul. 24 2002,16:10
there is only the Land Rover. all other jeeps/all-terrain type shit are just poor copies with spoilers. i went up an mountain in italy in one once. when we eventually crawled our way to the strange camp site perched on top we were surrounded by the inhabitants cheering and laughing. which was odd. turns out we were the first vehicle to make it up the track for over 30 yrs. everyone else used the cable car on the far side of the mountain. the last vehicle to make the trip was still there and was used for driving down as far as the treeline to collect firewood. it was also a Land Rover. they let us stay for free. Land Rovers rule.
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 24 2002,16:18
| Quote (jim @ 24 July 2002,08:24) |
| Name me one vehicle in it's class an price range that can go toe to toe with the Hummer H2 and you win. Otherwise, you are just a dumb fuck. |
I do not and will not name any vehicle in that price range that can go toe to toe like you said. Because you know and I know there isn't such a thing. The hummer is basically it's own vehicle class IMO. I don't beleive it to be a truck, jeep, suv, and it isn't a roadster for sure.
And who are you calling a dumb fuck? (wow, I'm up to 200 posts and now people start to learn...he he he) I mean look at you. You live in Texas to start with (that's -20 points in my book), and you buy into consumer fad's. The SUV fad, which Hummer is going to try to milk along with the H2.
My point is mute, which is what I wish I could do to my t.v. stupid remote. I will 0wn j00!
Posted by Beldurin on Jul. 24 2002,16:46
| Quote (joelthegreat @ 24 July 2002,10:18) |
| My point is mute |
AAARRRGGHHHH....I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!! Jesus people...a point isn't mute, it's moot. If you can't use the word correctly, then don't use it. You make yourself sound like a jackass.
Sorry...I've had a rough morning...
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 24 2002,16:51
i know, but then my joke would have been weird....sorry I forgot how to spell moot.At least I didn't say my poing was Moo! and make a cow joke, eh?
Sorry you're having a rough morning. Alcohol will help!
Posted by jim on Jul. 24 2002,20:12
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| Alright Jim, I like hummer and all but do you really need to climb a 60* incline or offroad enough to require that nasty of a suspension. Im willing to bet the only real offroading you do is driving to the store for milk when it snows, which is once ever 10 years since you live in texas. |
Go look up rock climbing + Texas on Google, and check out some the terrain at Hueco Tanks, some places down in Austin. Not to mention some of the places I go in Oklahoma and Mexico.
I've already tried this terrain in a Jimmy, a 4-Runner, and Yukon. All of them get hung up in one place or another.
One of unique things about the H2, is say I go over a 22" fallen tree. Where-as any other vehicle would get hung up on the drive-train, the H2's slick bottom can actually slide right over it.
| Quote |
| Now if you must have something that can pull better numbers than your hummer for what ever bigger dick contest you're in with your neighbor get one of < these >. They surpass the hummers abilities by far. Edit: Much cheaper too. |
Come on people. If you really insist on trying to down play the Hummer by saying I don't need it, you are wasting your time. Attack the vehicle, not me.
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| there is only the Land Rover. all other jeeps/all-terrain type shit are just poor copies with spoilers. |
| Quote |
| I do not and will not name any vehicle in that price range that can go toe to toe like you said. Because you know and I know there isn't such a thing. The hummer is basically it's own vehicle class IMO. I don't beleive it to be a truck, jeep, suv, and it isn't a roadster for sure. |
If you take, Off-Road, On-Road, and Conveinence into consideration. The H2 accels in all. The H1 only accels in 1.
| Quote |
| And who are you calling a dumb fuck? (wow, I'm up to 200 posts and now people start to learn...he he he) I mean look at you. You live in Texas to start with (that's -20 points in my book), and you buy into consumer fad's. The SUV fad, which Hummer is going to try to milk along with the H2. |
But all things aside. Show one vehicle. Any vehicle!! That can do all this.
Tow < This >
Traverse < This >, < This >, < and this >
Hold 6 people comfortably
Store 500-750lbs of weapons, ammo, and camping equipment WITH OUT it getting wet during the rain.
Uses Unleaded gasoline
Has all the things found in a normal luxory car. (ie CD Player, GPS navagation system, power seats, front rear ac with dual climate zones, sun roof, etc...)
Can fit in a normal sized parking space at home depot
Is street legal
Any price. Name one vehicle.
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 24 2002,20:19
BOOM!
So there mr know it all.
edit/addition: Can you mount a 50 cal on top of an H2? I know you can on an H1. And besides the price, The H1 is capable of everything you listed. Even better than the H2 at where you want it to go. You can get all that cd player gps shit installed easily if you know what you are doing (I doubt you do though).
Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Jul. 24 2002,21:33
| Quote (jim @ 24 July 2002,12:12) | ||||
Go look up rock climbing + Texas on Google, and check out some the terrain at Hueco Tanks, some places down in Austin. Not to mention some of the places I go in Oklahoma and Mexico. I've already tried this terrain in a Jimmy, a 4-Runner, and Yukon. All of them get hung up in one place or another. One of unique things about the H2, is say I go over a 22" fallen tree. Where-as any other vehicle would get hung up on the drive-train, the H2's slick bottom can actually slide right over it.
|
Ok If you have a use for it go right ahead. You'll catch no flak from me. I just hate seeing people profile in expensive ass suv/offroad style trucks.
Im just used to seeing:
"Yo, jus picked up my hummer/landcruiser/landrover/excursion/cayanne/borneo and I gots to go get it painted and get some new rimz fo it"
Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Jul. 24 2002,21:38
| Quote (joelthegreat @ 24 July 2002,12:19) |
| Can you mount a 50 cal on top of an H2? I know you can on an H1. And besides the price, The H1 is capable of everything you listed. Even better than the H2 at where you want it to go. You can get all that cd player gps shit installed easily if you know what you are doing (I doubt you do though). |
Jumping Jesus Fucking Christ on a stick. Are you fucking 4 years old? Can you mount a .50 on your car? Can you install gps in your car?
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Im pretty sure Jim could muddle his way through a gps install and before you even say it. Yes I can too. That little box under my stereo that says "magellan" on it isnt a microwave.
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 24 2002,21:53
what? No microwave...man, now how am I gonna reheat dinner?You know, there is no reason to call me 4. Or to yell. Sorry for offending you. You didn't need to tell me to shut up, that wasn't nice.
Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Jul. 24 2002,21:56
This is not the flame forum. I have nothing further to say.
Posted by jim on Jul. 24 2002,22:48
| Quote (joelthegreat @ 24 July 2002,06:19) |
| edit/addition: Can you mount a 50 cal on top of an H2? I know you can on an H1. And besides the price, The H1 is capable of everything you listed. Even better than the H2 at where you want it to go. You can get all that cd player gps shit installed easily if you know what you are doing (I doubt you do though). |
Tow < This >
H1 can do, H2 can do
Traverse < This >, < This >, < and this >
H1 can do, H2 can do
Hold 6 people comfortably
H1 can NOT do this, H2 can
Store 500-750lbs of weapons, ammo, and camping equipment WITH OUT it getting wet during the rain.
H1 can do, H2 can do
Uses Unleaded gasoline
H1 can NOT do, H2 can do
Has all the things found in a normal luxory car. (ie CD Player, GPS navagation system, power seats, front rear ac with dual climate zones, sun roof, etc...)
H1 can NOT do, H2 can do (H1 does not have a GPS, Power seat, dual zone climate control, or even front reat ac)
Can fit in a normal sized parking space at home depot
H1 can NOT do, H2 can do (Go check the turning radius on the H1
Is street legal
H1 can do, H2 can do
As far as the .50 is concerned, you can NOT mount a .50 cal on an H1. Only a HUMMV, sorry monkey.
As already stated many times. There is a spectrum. If I could afford to keep my work vehicle, and buy an H1 as an off-road vehicle. Well that would be kick ass. As it stands right now, I can't afford an H1 PERIOD. What I need is a vehicle that can servre multiple purposes. From trips to work, to bars, to home depot, to the great outdoors. And for the first time, there is actually a vehicle, that not only can I afford, but I don't have to sacrifice ANYTHING. I get everything I could ever possibly want in a vehicle, and the icing is that it's a HUMMER!
I think I've made my point. No more use arguing with a 4 year old.
And I'm totally with you, LEET, on the people who slam their trucks and shit. And trust me, I've got great concerns about the H2 becoming a soccer mom vehicle. But rest assured mine won't be.
Posted by Wiley on Jul. 24 2002,23:13
| Quote (jim @ 24 July 2002,12:12) |
| But all things aside. Show one vehicle. Any vehicle!! That can do all this. Any price. Name one vehicle. |
Lamborgini LM002
I think it looks better then the Hummer ...bullet-proof glass and tires are standard.
Posted by jim on Jul. 25 2002,00:12
Never heard of that before.It's close, but it can't
Store 500-750lbs of weapons, ammo, and camping equipment WITH OUT it getting wet during the rain.
Open bed vehicles don't count!
Doesn't look like it can hold 6 people either... Post the specs...
Posted by just_dave on Jul. 25 2002,01:08
I am not so sure but it looks pretty sweet!!Factory Specifications
Engine: 5.7 liter V-12
Horsepower: 450 Bhp
0-60 mph: 8.5 sec
Top Speed: 126 mph
Tires: 345x17
Curb Weight: 5,900 lb
Length: 495 cm
Width: 200 cm
< Wileys Vehicle >
dave
Posted by Beastie Dr on Jul. 25 2002,01:23
Anyone buying that should be shot. And Jim, have fun with your 700 lbs. of weaponry. 
Posted by Wiley on Jul. 25 2002,01:39
I've seen it with a hardtop as well. (Bringing the passenger count to eight)
< More Info >
I have a picture of me in one of these things back in 1990 ...I've wated one since then. It's got the power and the ground clearence as well as the dead sexy looks. IMO it is the pimpest of the SUVs.
Make Lamborghini Base Price $65 000 usd
Model LM002
Production Not Available
Engine / 4WD
Configuration V12
Curb Weight 2700 kg / 5952 lbs
Valvetrain DOHC 4 Valves / Cyl
Length 4900 mm / 192.9 in
Displacement 5167 cc / 315.3 cu in
Width 2000 mm / 78.7 in
Power 335.6 kw / 450.0 bhp @ 6800 rpm
Height 1850 mm / 72.8 in
Torque 500.3 nm / 369.0 ft lbs @ 4500 rpm
Wheelbase 3000 mm / 118.1 in
Bore 85.5 mm / 3.37 in
Front Track F 1615 mm / 63.6 in
Stroke 75 mm / 2.95 in
Rear Track R 1615 mm / 63.6 in
Redline Not Available
Steering Recirculating Ball w/Power Assist
HP / Liter 87.09 bhp per litre
Body / Frame Aluminium & PFibreglass Panels
HP / Curb Weight
Front Brakes Vented Discs
Gear Type 5-Speed Manual
Front Brake Size Not Available
1st Gear Ratio 2.99:1
2nd Gear Ratio 1.90:1
3rd Gear Ratio 1.33:1
4th Gear Ratio 1.00:1
5th Gear Ratio 0.89:1
6th Gear Ratio Not Available
7th Gear Ratio Not Available
Final Drive Ratio 4.125:1
Front Wheels F 43.2 x 27.9 cm / 17.0 x 11.0 in
Rear Wheels R 43.2 x 27.9 cm / 17.0 x 11.0 in
Front Tires 325/65VR-17
Rear Tires 325/65VR-17
Top Speed 210 kph / 130.5 mph
0 - 60 mph 7.7 seconds
0 - ¼ mile Not Available
0 - 100 mph Not Available
Posted by jim on Jul. 25 2002,01:44
| Quote (Beastie Dr @ 24 July 2002,11:23) |
| And Jim, have fun with your 700 lbs. of weaponry. |
Oooooooo, sarcasm. Impressive. It'd make more sense if I said I had 700lbs of guns.
500 - 750 of Guns, Ammo, and Camping equipment includes the guns owned by me and 5 of my friends when we go on shoots.
This includes shit loads of ARs, AKs, FALs, H&Ks. Plus all the ammo cans. Plus all of the equipment used to repair, clean, and maintain the weapons. Plus a day tent, 3 sleeping tents. Our clothes, MREs, chairs, radio, spotting equipment. Steel B-Mod target plates. Etc, etc, etc....
It's probably more than 700 lbs considering how low the ass end of Shanes F-250 sags when it's fully loaded up.
Posted by jim on Jul. 25 2002,01:49
| Quote (Wiley @ 24 July 2002,11:39) |
| I've seen it with a hardtop as well. (Bringing the passenger count to eight) |
Bah! Wiley wins. There is actually one other vehicle that can compete.
I still wouldn't drive it just because I'm a GM zealot!
And the fact that at $134k it's completely out of my price range.
Posted by Wiley on Jul. 25 2002,01:58
| Quote (jim @ 24 July 2002,17:49) |
| Bah! Wiley wins. There is actually one other vehicle that can compete. |
Damn ...I got got so used to debating CK I was expecting you to come back with "It doesn't count because of X stupid reason so I still win!!" It is a pretty sweet SUV though ..and it's a freaking Lamborghini (not like the name means anything anymore since the company is pretty much dead and buried). But I've always wanted one of them. It used to be on this TV show that ran for six months called Nasty Boys about a group of undercover vice cops that raided drug houses and got to keep all the cash as long as they turned over the sellers and the drugs. It was a pretty kick ass show. Mostly car chases and shoot-outs.
Posted by Beastie Dr on Jul. 25 2002,02:15
Well, lambo was toast from the end of the testarosa until the murcielago, but I think they may have some hope now.
Posted by Wiley on Jul. 25 2002,02:26
| Quote (Beastie Dr @ 24 July 2002,18:15) |
| Well, lambo was toast from the end of the testarosa until the murcielago, but I think they may have some hope now. |
Um ...Mr. car enthusiast, you do know that the Testarossa is a Ferrari right? The Diablo kicks some ass IMO ..held the title of fastest production sportscar for quite some time. Has 2 and 4 wheel drive versions and came with matched luggage and a $10,000 (removable) dashboard clock.
It's not the same company anymore, it used to have history. Lamborghini was started by a tractor manufacturer when Ferrari wouldn't sell him one of their cars ...he vowed to produce a car that would outclass Ferrari.
Now it's just a nameplate that MB ownes.
Posted by Beastie Dr on Jul. 25 2002,02:33
I MEANT countach (ended in 86, i think, one se put out later), wrote testarossa. I was wrong. I have to bash the diablo because the styling started pretty retro and never changed.
Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Jul. 25 2002,03:01
| Quote (jim @ 24 July 2002,17:44) |
| This includes shit loads of ARs, AKs, FALs, H&Ks. Plus all the ammo cans. Plus all of the equipment used to repair, clean, and maintain the weapons. Plus a day tent, 3 sleeping tents. Our clothes, MREs, chairs, radio, spotting equipment. Steel B-Mod target plates. Etc, etc, etc.... It's probably more than 700 lbs considering how low the ass end of Shanes F-250 sags when it's fully loaded up. |
Keep your AR15's, Ill take an AR10 stoner any day of the week.
I have no fucking clue what it was but last time we were up at the NRA firing range this dude rolled up with an ak and ran out the people on both sides because his shit was so loud. Were talking 3-5 times louder than any other ak Ive ever heard. It was almost like he was running a full load of fast burn. It was so loud I could feel the concussion in my chest 9 lanes away. Any Ideas what the hell he was running?
Oh and wiley I believe the Diablo was 2wd and the Diablo VT was 4 wheel.