Forum: The Classroom
Topic: Combat robots!
started by: Lordbrandon

Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 06 2000,20:19
The other day I went to wolfguards homepage and it was all about hot he builds Super Pimp Battle robots, and i shure he gets people all the time who think they have the best idea for a robot. So i thought it whould be cool to start a thread where people can submit their ideas for robots.

Put pictures with descriptions.

this'll be sweet


Posted by marc c on Jun. 06 2000,22:20
It's my dream to control the earth using an army of robots like the ones in Terminator; without the human skin... seriously, even if I could only hold a few African nations, that would be cool as hell.
Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 07 2000,01:09
1.red is a pair of electromagnets
2.blue is a rod for a pnumatic piston that is jabbed into the opposing bot after the manet has gripped it
3.green is the piston
4.purple are metal wedges connected to leather that lets them slightly scrape on the ground
5.cyan are fendish spikes to strike phear into the heart of other bots

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Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 07 2000,01:21
1.Blue is an electric or (more probably)gas motor that drives a sort of crankshaft that oscillate the spears at a high rate of speed(this will have to be veary strong and robust)
2.Purple, these are the spears that thrust at high speeds into the attacker, by ajusting the crankshaft you can change which spears are out and wich are in
3.green are the movement controls
4.red wheeles

what a racket this thing will make

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Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 07 2000,06:44
im thinking i should post here

Problem with spikes in the bigger classes is the fact that the armor gets thicker and moves from lexan to metal. The other problem is you need to pin your victim down or all the spike will do is push them away.(1st law of motion)
Saws tend to skip and jump off of armor if they bite at all. abrasive disks will break on impact(impact speeds can total 100+ MPH)
Magnets or any other type of grapling or entangelment device is not allowed by the rules.
What to do? You make the device that pins you victim down a weapon that does crushing damage.

as you can see the top arm can smack down on the top of a victim and hold them in place. this is now run by Co2 but may end up being hydrolic. When this is doing its job the little spike tears in from the bottom. I call it the CHB (Come Here Bitch)(old joke from my Army days)
The drive system is 2 12V wheelchair motors. The frame is tube Al. and the shell is 1/2" AL. plate. Total weight works out to be around 200 lbs.
Im also building a 24 lb walking robot(stompbot) for events in NJ, NY, and PA this year.
if you want to know more just ask or visit the other sites like < http://www.battlebots.com/ >
they have lots of links to other places.

One last thing. for those of you that have gone to my website forgive the apperence. I know it sucks and im working to fix it.

Im also building a

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Posted by kuros- on Jun. 07 2000,09:50
another "robot wars" groupie, still it could be worse ! shouldn't you be aiming to immobilize the enemy. I'll post an idea 2morrow.
Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 07 2000,10:44
well if i crush his top into his batteries and shove a 15" spike through his bottom plate into his eletronics and drive componants, wont that immobilize him? Not to mention the fact i can drive where i want with him and push him into the arena saws.

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Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 07 2000,10:50
and "robot wars" started in the us and due to a legal battle with a sponsor (someone did not read the fine print) you ended up with a game show where the winner is chosen in advance and the house robots are not designed by the same rules I have to follow.

Battle Bots (the us version) is pure head to head combat. There are arena hazards but they are not mobile. It's you and the other guy and that's it.

Like everything else that is good in the world, it was ripped from the US.

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Posted by adeadlyintegral on Jun. 07 2000,14:52
have any of you read mona lisa overdrive? Slick had some MEAN little battle robots :-)
some little scorpion/motorcycle/flamethrowing thingy, a spider with blades for legs, and some big guy with a chainsaw arm called the judge.
if i were to build battle robots ;-) that's what i'd do...
Posted by aventari on Jun. 07 2000,15:48
Hey Wolfguard, do many people use drills at all?? it seems if you were to get a long small diameter drill bit into your opponent, it could immobilize his internals pretty fast right?
just a thought!

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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 07 2000,17:44
just make a circular saw with wheels...really fast wheels...that go....really fast....100 mph...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....ok, sorry, i got a bit excited.
Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 07 2000,21:18
can you use acid?...it could sports some huge vats of hiydrochloric acid...or maybe a super powered laser to take out things from far away....what if it performed chinese water torture?...that would be incredibly cool...yeah
Posted by cr0bar on Jun. 08 2000,02:22
Battle Bots are the coolest damn things ever! Are you trying to make it into the competition? If you do, I'll send you a detnet bumper sticker to put on the bot =)

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Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 08 2000,04:33
how thick does the armor get?
if you made something that was virtualy indesructable with say quarter inch steel with good welds and structure then maby a cutting torch.
what is the ground of the arina made of?
whold tey be mad if you drove a piston through it?
and are crushing claws ok or is that part of snaring?
Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 08 2000,04:39
how effective is stuff like spinning chains or flails. id think if you got somthing like 3 wakasashis on a rotor they chould do a lot of hacking damage even to good armor
Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 08 2000,06:53
Ok time to answer all the questions

Drills dont realy work because its to hard to keep someone still long enough to let the drill bite. it tends to just skip over the surface and not dig in.

Spinning chains/flails tend to cause more damage to the user then to the victim.

Any thing that can damage the battle box(acids and such) are a no no (cant advance to the next round if you distroyed the place you fight)

you can use crushing weapons that "pin" down your victim as long as you are doing damage the entire time you have the bastard in your grip. the cool thing about the BattleBots battle box is it has these saw blades in the floor you can keep running your victim into.

In the heavy and super heavy classes the armor can be real thick. SLAM is made out of all steel and is more than a half inch in places. still, if you put tones of pressure on anything it will give out sooner or later.

im working on a crushing/cutting claw now. the people that make the "Jaws of Life" are local to me and i may just have to pay them a visit. Again you can grab your victim, but you have to be doing damage.

cr0bar: I would proudly fly the Detnet colors. Its going to be black anyway because that is what my logo looks best on I can put the detnet logos on both sides. Ill be making the big events in 2001. right now i just dont have the money to get all the parts at once. Most of them are going to be custom made.(you know how hard it is to get a 15" 3"dia air ram with a tool steel ram?)

Here is the one im working on right now. Its a 24 lb StompBot(it walks) and is just a bully. (ment to shove people around) If i do have enough weight to arm it, ill add a rotory weapon to it (saw or a kenetic energy weapon)


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Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 08 2000,07:01
Just to give you an idea of costs.

Just the basics.
Vantec speed controller. 轜
PCM remote controll. 跌-700
12V Gellcell batteries ฤ-50 per(4-6needed)
12V Dc motors. 贝-300 per (2 or 4 needed)

Thats just to make it go. That dont count the price of the frame, armor, and weapons. That is just what is needed to make it go.


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Posted by Kayy on Jun. 08 2000,13:01
Yup, go for a hrdraulic arm, preferable one that is curved and has a titanium edge thats razor sharp, then cut a little slot that fits the blade through into the base of the robot, then up the pressure til you get about 15ton/sq." (Seen it done) and couple that with the shell and power to push a 17.5 ton articulated truck (Seen that done too).

Then you have one mother of a robot that will push ANYTHING about easily, and will also slice through everything up to pretty much titanium, then all you gotta do is sit back and let the fun commence.

Also, mount a video camera on it that records the live footage of the destruction, and upload it to here so we can all benefit from the mindless destroying of expensive robotic circuitry

Or alterantively ignore me, I'm having one of those days...

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Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 08 2000,13:42
i can do both!

The problem is you start to run into the rules of the game. Hydrolic pressures are 3000psi or less. that and to do that kind of damage and have that kind of drive power you would hit the weight limit. The best crusher i have seen is Razor < http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Shore/9072/index.html >
he and Rhino are what my design are based on, took a little from each.


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Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 08 2000,17:02
OMG! battle bots on the 10th im soooo there!!
does anybody else live by Sanfrancisco?
Posted by aventari on Jun. 08 2000,18:14
is anyone going up to SF to see the Battlebots on the 10th ??? I've wanted to check them out since i first heard about it like 4 years ago.
Anyone going from Sothern Cali???

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Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 09 2000,16:18
w00t!
Evil Walks!
My 24 lb StompBot took its first baby steps today. since i dont have the remote ready yet(did not think that i would get the legs done so fast) i just turned it on and let it go. With only half the voltage it was easy to catch. It actualy went in a stright line!(Pushing a compaq workstation)
The shell gets built next week then it will be diet time. Im over weight but i have plenty of .5 inch Al. plate that i can mill off to lose it.(wish my diet was so easy)
Ill post a vid on my sight as soon as i have it.
w00t!

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Posted by Kayy on Jun. 10 2000,00:13
dude, Razor is, in my opinion, the best bot there is so far, its only downfall in the Robot Wars UK series was when the SREMEC (self righting mechanism) locked itself on when the bot was upright and wedged itself to the arena floor.

The only other robot I like anywhere near as much is Panic Attack 2, < http://rswww.com/panic_attack > , but then thats only because its so damn simple but effective.

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Posted by JimmyTheHandless on Jun. 10 2000,02:54
I participated in something like this once in 7th grade (junior high science fair) and it was "easy" there was a small circular table and we merely had to design a small vehicle to either knock off the other team's or get a ping pong ball into a hole...easy and it had to be about 100 bucks. sure thing...we had all this crap goin on it, sheet metal, cut steel wheel guards, deflecting front, etc...we had finally perfected it just right when one of my genious teammates (read: fag) flicked off this kid like 8 times bigger than him while holding our "car". this guy then proceeded to smash our "car" into several pieces and just like punch our fag really hard. good trade for all our work.,..not...uhh so we ended up staying up all night the night before (another genious idea from said fag...powering our car: take a power cord...strip to a bare wire at ends and run to elecric motors, take radio control car battery and shove exposed leads on wire into battery...) so we do this project here and were all ready to go, competition, weve actually made it move and we think weve got it set (zap-a-gap, 2 part epoxy, and duct tape) so we go and place it on the table...i shove leads into battery...sparks start flying, plastic starts melting (onto my hand) our car moves about a quarter inch...the other car comes flyin across the table and slams into ours sending it flying off the table and right onto my feet, meanwhile, back at the ranch, the plastic and heat from the sparks and loose electricity go and start burning my hand so i proceed to throw the battery...all this was very good and i think we did it twice.... we lost...last time im ever doin anything like that.... end-
Brian

Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 10 2000,06:25
Attn! SF Bay aeraians battle bots tomorrow and sunday!! < http://www.battlebots.com/tickets.html >
looks like weve got 3-4 people already

theres a 1-4 and a 6-9+ event call me if you want to cordinate with us:
(510)814-0101


Posted by cr0bar on Jun. 10 2000,15:19
Crap, and I'm gonna be in Seattle on Sunday.....

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Posted by eng_man on Jun. 10 2000,15:32
Crap, I'm gonna be in ... Virginia. DOH!

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Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 11 2000,03:19
just bought tickets for noon tomorrow
w00t!
ill be wearing a blue shirt with kakishorts
and this is what my face will look like :


Posted by DaTaFuSioN on Jun. 11 2000,05:23
Crap!!! I am going to be half an hour away, but working. Damn this capitalist system anyways!
Posted by steak on Jun. 11 2000,06:26
ive always wanted to put liquid nitrogen as a weapon for my robots and then a hammer, spray the enemy then hammer it and the enemy shatter just like that guy in terminator 2
Posted by veistran on Jun. 11 2000,06:46
Veistran after a long absence has decided to make his prescence known again.... Mr. Smashy. I forgot, those of you that were at battlebots might recognize Pressure Drop.

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Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 12 2000,09:22
MR Smashy, SIR!

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Posted by aventari on Jun. 12 2000,15:22
so how was the competition??

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Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 13 2000,03:26
It was so awesome, i whould have liked to hace seen a free for all, but that was some cool shit! i was expecting some little box and a few nerdy guys huddeled around it buy it was a giant enclosed arina with 20 foot high sets of plexi glass windows and steel floors. big stands with hundreds of people, and so many fine ass girls. ohhh! i met this oh so petite girl named micky or nikki a fello artist, but alas i didnt get her # boo hoo! but what an ass! id like to explane some of the rounds but id sound like an idiot blabing on and on like well... well like im dooing now
Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 13 2000,03:39
were you there vest? with the clear armor. i thought you were toast for shure
Posted by veistran on Jun. 13 2000,17:06
Nah, that's not my robot... I just found that webpage from www.spacemoose.com. And it's pretty cool how he's got the weekly/ bi-weekly/monthly ish status reports on his robots and shit How'd Pressure Drop do anyway? It looked pretty badass on his webpage.
Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 13 2000,18:50
it won but only caust the other bot killed itself
Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 15 2000,11:05
Never leave a robot without a brain around engineers. Phelan now has a brain made out of a basic stamp and they have the damm thing walking sentry up in the cube farm. I poked my head in and they are playing with a digital camera rig so they can see where its at. These people worry me. These are the people that will take over the world.

I just want my bot back so i can hook the remote to it, but i think ill wait till they get the camera rig working

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Posted by zac503 on Jun. 15 2000,15:53
you need a thingy under the body of you bot to flip up under the opponent to flip'em over

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Posted by Bob_Cannibal on Jun. 16 2000,21:45
steak? LN2 won't work...

Liquid Nitrogen makes things breakable by freezing water inside of the material, making it expand. but, metal or plexiglass, has little/no water content. if you get it inside of the enemy, and they have a 386, you MIGHT crack their chip. if they have gel-cells (correct me if I'm wrong) you might decrease the resistance, and overvoltage their systems, heating them, and if you put more N2 in, you (theoreticaly) could crack the chip...

To give a few weapon Ideas... (I might even start a combat arena(rule-less...)

here's the atomizer pipe...
this (in theory) works. no patent, it's my own idea... (10 mins in paint, 3 seconds in corel photopaint for conversion to 16 color gif)

hee hee..

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Posted by Bob_Cannibal on Jun. 16 2000,22:09
Oh: the pump is a submersible type... I messed up a little...
Posted by steak on Jun. 17 2000,04:08
thanks for the corection its been awhile since i failed chemistry
Posted by Bob_Cannibal on Jun. 17 2000,04:29
ehehe, np, We had some Career(spmn daelling...) thingy a while back... saw a tank of N2, the presenters were freezing roses... I tried to freeze a paper.. didn't work...

however, when I put some water in the tank, it was cool...

CRAAAACK!!

you could do that, 2 tubes... one N2, the other, water... fill the enemy, then dump a 1/6 of N2 in... rapid expantion of ice, creating an exploding effect. all rather nice...

anyone think of a rail gun, with the projectile attached to a string? (it'll pass rules... they _might_ append:

All projectile weapons must be attached to a string... ...and must not travel above the speed of sound...

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Posted by steak on Jun. 18 2000,02:39
snipers use sub sonic bullets, maybe you could tie a string to one of those or a bunch of them for lots of destruction
Posted by Bob_Cannibal on Jun. 18 2000,03:23
yeah, but herein lies a problem... the string'd burn as it left, destroying the "tether" besides, it'd have to stop the projectile after a certain # of feet...
Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 19 2000,10:40
ill just stick with the zinder nullifiers im using now....

Snipers do not use Sub-sonic rounds. Why you ask? because you dont want the idiot you putting a bullet in to hear the shot till after the bullet has hambergered his heart.

The power you would need for a railgun makes it useless in the weight classes of Battlebots.

LN2 will cause plastic to shatter because it causes it to crystalise. Same with metal. the crystals lose cohesion<sp>(yea, like that is the only one here) and fall apart under stress.

Oh, and the person that said something about a flipper. a KE flywheel causes more damage. Check out Nightmare, he is on the web someplace.

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Posted by kuros- on Jun. 20 2000,12:09
Just a thought but ask metals-r-us.com or emergencysec.com, a Phd friend doing body armour ballistics said they did him a good deal for armour plating/alloys that type of thing while he was sourcing,

Will u be attempting somekind of auto-firing device? It does look a bit top-heavy?


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