Topic: A Tax-Cut Parable
started by: CatKnight
The 10 men were quite settled into their routine when the restaurant threw them into chaos by announcing that it was cutting its prices. Now dinner for the 10 men would only cost . This clearly would not affect the first four men. They still ate for free. The fifth and sixth men both claimed their piece of the ฤ right away. The fifth decided to forgo his ũ contribution. The sixth pitched in Ū. The seventh man deducted Ū from his usual payment and paid ŭ. The eighth man paid ű. The ninth man paid ผ, leaving the last man with a bill of ไ.
Outside of the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings, and angry outbursts began to erupt. The sixth man yelled, "I only got ũ out of the ฤ, and he got ů, "pointing at the last man. The fifth man joined in. "Yeah! I only got ũ too. It is unfair that he got seven times more than me." The seventh man cried, "Why should he get ů back when I only got Ū?" The first four men followed the lead of the others: "We didn't get any of the ฤ. Where is our share?"
The nine men formed an outraged mob, surrounding the 10th man. The nine angry men carried the 10th man up to the top of a hill and lynched him. The next night, the nine remaining men met at the restaurant for dinner. But when the bill came, there was no one to pay it.
(Don Dodson, Ft. Worth, March 4, 2001)
Those first four men, who never paid anything, didn't have anything to eat, but just drank the free water. So, they owned nothing to begin with. That fifth man ordered a small side order of fry's. The sixth man had a small sandwhich and some fry's. The seventh man had the biggest burger the restaurant had, the eigth had that and a big milkshake, and the ninth had all that and a nice desert. The tenth man came in, demanded his own section of the restaurant, had two cooks just for him, had fresh caviar, some wine, and the nicest steak they had.
So when it came time to pay the bill, they paid fairly. Remember, not all dinneres are created equil 
But the part about lynching the tenth guy because the other's didn't get back as much is a pretty fair argument.
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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
ok i missed the point of this thing. aside fromt he fact that it makes no sense
You mean it makes no sense to you. Important distinction.
but there has to be a deeper meaning, right? this cant be some sort of weird ass joke, can it?
the first 4 got mad because they paid for nothing, and got nothing. the others were mad because the tenth guy got better service.
...or something.
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Those first four men, who never paid anything, didn't have anything to eat, but just drank the free water. So, they owned nothing to begin with. That fifth man ordered a small side order of fry's. The sixth man had a small sandwhich and some fry's. The seventh man had the biggest burger the restaurant had, the eigth had that and a big milkshake, and the ninth had all that and a nice desert. The tenth man came in, demanded his own section of the restaurant, had two cooks just for him, had fresh caviar, some wine, and the nicest steak they had.
he is trying to add external consequences, which he imagined on his own (i.e. subjective). why? because he doesn't want to believe that republicans actually do make a fuck load of more sense then liberals.
demonk, your analogy is the one that is piss poor. CatKnight's "Tax-Cut Parable" was comparing the different diners to different social and economical classes. The guy who paid a large amount every night got what looked like the larger savings, while in truth he did not - eg. upper class tax cuts... Next time try to not speak out of your ass. I hate when people do that.
please, just explain what that god damned story means.
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Originally posted by Rhydant:
/me smacks catknight
please, just explain what that god damned story means.
it means i think someone needs to get snipped before they have a chance to breed.
hey CK, see if you can get your Rep. friends to pass some laws against the breeding of stupid people. Now that would get them my vote.
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Originally posted by demonk:
But the part about lynching the tenth guy because the other's didn't get back as much is a pretty fair argument.
maybe I'm missing something...
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Originally posted by Wolfguard:
hey CK, see if you can get your Rep. friends to pass some laws against the breeding of stupid people. Now that would get them my vote.
Sorry, passing rediculous and expensive legislations is more of a liberal thing. 
Yes CK, you did miss my meaning. Those first nine people did not have any right to get angry at the tenth guy. Maybe I didn't word is exactly that way, or even in an understandable way, but that is what I meant.
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Originally posted by CatKnight:
Sorry, passing rediculous and expensive legislations is more of a liberal thing.
Fine. Tell them ill work for 60k a year but i get to choose how the snip takes place.
ok, 55k a year but it will cost them 28cents a snip.
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Originally posted by demonk:
No, Rep. have liberals beat on the rediculous and expensive legislation. Ever hear of the Star Wars program? Biggest waste of money in the history of the world. And we're still doing it to!
OMG you ignorant fuck! First of all, Star Wars™ pretty much killed the USSR's economy and ended the cold war. It also lead to many useful technologies we have today. Secondly, you ignorant fuck! DEMOCRATS are the ones who want BIG GOVERNMENT with LOTS OF LEGISLATION because they are MARXISTS at heart. REPUBLICANS are the ones who want to LIMIT THE GOVERNMENT and GET RID OF excessive regulations.
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...Maybe I didn't word is exactly that way, or even in an understandable way, but that is what I meant.
Fair enough.
and write a fucking analogy that makes sense to 99\% of the fucking population. its like politicians using big words to confuse the issue.
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And no, Decomcrats are not Marxists at heart, and neither was Marx for that matter. At the core of the Decomcrats' views is that we shouldn't be stagnent as a country. We must always be looking for new, better ways of doing things, i.e., we have a forward looking thought process. Republicans are always longing for "the good old days", back when all the power rested solely in the hands of upper class, white, rich, christian males. They long for the times when blacks were second class citizens and women had to stay in the home. Basicly, they want to move backwards.
No thanks, I'd rather look to the future myself. And I think both parties are guilty of creating stupid and unneeded regulations. And both parties have plans to get rid of them. Neither part moves as a coheesive(sp?) group, so both groups are guilty of practicly everything.
But you can bash the Democrates all you want, I'm not a decomcrate. Sure, I share some of their views, but I have many views that neither party follows, so I'm more of an independant.
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Secondly, and more importantly, I object to the fact that you are basically assigning the idea of conservatism to your own personal dillusional (democratically enforced) opinion, saying it sux0rs, then saying republicans are idiots based on it. Think about that logic for a minute. Convservatives are not longing for the day when rich old white men ran the country. That is a myth, inspiried by left-wing extremeists, in order to facilitate their political ideas. Don't you see? You fell for it. You and a 20 million others. Wake up.
I'm not talking to you about politics any more until you get your head out of your fucking ass and start making arguments based on facts rather then liberal propganda statements that you are just regurgitating.
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My theory? The US didn't spend nearly as much on SDI as the government wanted everyone to think they did. Heck, I wouldn't even doubt if the whole thing was a hoax to begin with. It would allow a sizable portion of money to "strangely disappear" and be funneled into covert/black ops, while the Commies are led to believe the Capitalists are winning the proliferation battle with this absurd piece of technology...and so, the Russians actually spend the money to come up with a comparable program while the US bluffs them out of all their cash.
And perhaps the attempt at SDI was for real, to some extent...I think the effort was noble. Fuck, are you not going to try something just because it's a ludicrous idea? Because if not, you should be living on a flat Earth in a geocentric universe, driving cars by the light of wax candles that don't dare go over 35mph.
SDI was a brilliant idea, no matter how you look at it. You just have to think of it the way a shady government would, and put yourself in the shoes of a superpower on the front of a win or die cold war.
And CK, where are my facts wrong? Maybe I did put my own slant on conservatism, but that is how it appears to me, and what the overall goals seem to be IMO. If you are saying that my history facts are wrong, then sir, I respectivily refuse to listen to you until you have taken a couple of college level history courses. High school history does not give the full/true story behind most events.
I have yet to hear any more than Republican scare propaganda from your mouth CK. You don't back up anything with facts, you just call anyone you dissagree with a liberal(like that is an insult) and start cursing up a storm. Give me proof. I give you proof by siting events and telling you what happened as a consequence. You just babble.
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The democrats accused bush's tax cut plan of "giving money" back to the rich people - the people who in fact already pay more than half of the country's taxes. In the story, the guys who pay less demand more of the refund money and ironically lynch the guy who has been paying for their food all along. just like the democrats wanted to prevent the tax cut plan from benefiting the wealthier people. i don't see how the story was that hard to understand...
And anyways, LIBERALS have definitely beat the conservatives as far as ridiculous expensive legislation goes. Wanting to federalize all sorts of industries and markets, raising taxes (or, should i say, not lowering them), and having such an intrusive role in people's lives will hurt the country badly.
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Originally posted by chmod:
i don't see how the story was that hard to understand...
cos i in uk so dont keep up with american politics much. u might not have known that so i wont have a go at u for it. still think its a stupid story. why use complex metaphor/similie when u can just explain it in plain english
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demonk: you view of reality is so skewed that you don't know the difference between real events and logical policy and media tactics. I pity you.
see, I already know what you are going to say, "blah blah I can have any opinion I want blah blah". well here's the difference.
Valid Opinion:
conservatives have it wrong. we need a larger government because people are dumb and need the government's help.
Invalid (e.g. your) Opinion:
bush is just a money-grubbing oil tycoon looking to make his friends rich. you should do what I want instead.
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Originally posted by JLb_8:
oh and killing the ussr's economy is supposed to be a good thing? fucking racist.
We could of used nukes because they went to war with us. Would you have liked that better?
Could of had a ground war with them. That would of tore things up in europe. would that be ok with you?
I think the economy attack was a better way. had nothing to do with race. i had to do with a War. See, they called it a Cold WAR for a reason. it was a war.
I think you need to do some research on things. look into both sides for once. then try to speek here with a glint of inteligence on the subject.
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Originally posted by JLb_8:
cos i in uk so dont keep up with american politics much. u might not have known that so i wont have a go at u for it. still think its a stupid story. why use complex metaphor/similie when u can just explain it in plain english
Again, do some fucking research before you open your mouth and sound like a moron. If you dont know jack about a subject shut up about it.
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Originally posted by demonk:
But Reagan, in his infinate wisdom, said no, because then he would have to get rid of Star Wars, and that was his baby and he wouldn't give it up. If he had, maybe the Russian economy wouldn't have gotten so fucked up, and people would have been able to buy food, clothing, and heat, but instead they starved and froze to death, just because Reagan had a hardon for Star Wars.
If anyone was REALLY responsible for killing the USSR's economy and totally screwing over all the people, then of course it was THE USSR, not Reagan! They were communist, remember?
Oh, and btw, using the argument that republicans are right doesn't work.
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Originally posted by chmod:
If anyone was REALLY responsible for killing the USSR's economy and totally screwing over all the people, then of course it was THE USSR, not Reagan! They were communist, remember?
True, true. The number 1 killer of the USSR economy was USSR. No one can dispute that fact. While they were pumping all their money into their military, schools, roads, and other internal services withered and died.
My point was that at the time the Russians made this offer, they had a slim chance of pulling their economy away from a sever crash. Now, I don't know what that would have done to their political setup, but it would have helped easy the suffering of the regular people. If we had declared pease with them, we could have gone in and helped feed the people, provide them heat and clothing, and helped stablize their internal services. But we didn't, just because of Star Wars. Because of Star Wars, hundreds of people died. And not on the battle field, but at home, in the streets, without dignity. We punished the people for the actions of a few politicians. There is a lesson to be learned here.
And CK, you have yet to answer my question. Have you taken a college level history course yet?
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Originally posted by chmod:
If anyone was REALLY responsible for killing the USSR's economy and totally screwing over all the people, then of course it was THE USSR, not Reagan! They were communist, remember?
Just to make something clear, Russia was never a communis country. They never comleted the transition to communism as they got stuck at the dictatorship stage.
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