Forum: The Classroom
Topic: IntelliMouse
started by: xaustinx
Posted by xaustinx on Jun. 02 2000,21:29
is it just me or are these things insanely awesome?
Posted by jim on Jun. 02 2000,21:36
Nope, they RAWK!!!!------------------
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Posted by Cyrino on Jun. 02 2000,21:58
Well, it's not a Logitech, so I don't like it.------------------
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Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 02 2000,22:00
Logitech sucks. Intellimouse rules. My Q3 frag counts are proof of that  ------------------
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Posted by marc c on Jun. 02 2000,23:46
I bought one of the optical explorer mice. Let me tell you, it sucked, big time. The whole thing was shoddy and felt as cheap as a 4$ budget mouse. The buttons felt loose cheap, like you would expect on a cheap POS and not a 50$ product. Not only that, but the scroll wheel occasionally rubbed against the side of the buttons, making it extremely annoying to use. As for the supposedly smoother and more precise feel, I didn't notice a damn thing, even when I tried. Give me my Logitech Mouseman any day.------------------
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Posted by iso9k on Jun. 03 2000,00:24
the logitech wingman mouse rules. It is comfy and cheap. It is also grey. not white. It also says "gaming mouse"..so if you want to "game" then that mouse it #1. if you want to "intelli", whatever that is, you should get the intellimouse.------------------
Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 03 2000,01:25
Perhaps I got the best of the batch, but my Intellimouse has stood up to nearly 2 years of brutal treatment, and still works as fine as the day I bought it. I tried one of those Logitech mice and it died in 6 weeks, plus the drivers sucked big time, caused a couple of illegal operations, etc. I’ve had no problems at all with my Intellimouse. Plus it's neat that the drivers default to changing the ps2 rate to 100 instead of the normal 40, so I had smooth game play even before I found ps2rate. But yes, that Intellimouse Explorer is shitty, I don't think I'd ever buy one myself. The wheel-less mouse might be cool though, but I'll wait till my mouse gives up the ghost before getting a new one.------------------
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Posted by DuSTman on Jun. 03 2000,08:56
Personally i'm a logitexh pilot/first mouse man myself.I had an intellimouse, but i didn't like that bit that sticks out of the left hand side, it made me tend to orientate it incorrectly with respect to my wrist. Then the spring popped out of it's socket and i noticed that there's no apparent way to open the damn thing! they have stopped using screws, and just glue the damned thing together at the back. Ack! One thing about it that is better IMO than the pilot mouse i have now, is the cable. Intellimice have very thin wires. The thicker wires on the logitechs can catch against the monitor or something and always be pulling the mouse off to one side.
Posted by kuros- on Jun. 03 2000,09:16
Sorry but the a Logitech Trackman Marble rules.Using a thumb to move the pointer is so much more efficent than moving the whole mouse, as well as being quicker and more precise.
Posted by Ansible on Jun. 03 2000,09:35
Give me my logitech wheelmouse any day.
Posted by eng_man on Jun. 03 2000,11:40
Well the only Logitech mouse I ever used was one about 10 years ago, it worked well so I can't say Logitech mice are bad. However the Intellimouse with Intellieye kicks serious ass. Not as expensive as the explorer but it don't have a mouse ball. No balls in this case is a good thing. The big thing .. no cleaning, HELL YEAH!Just my Ũ.02 ------------------
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Posted by DrunkNigel on Jun. 03 2000,13:18
I've owned my Logitech first mouse (with a wheel doohickey) for almost 2 years now and it's never failed me. The odd cleaning every 5 months doesn't hurt me. Plus it's not all shaped weird to fit your hand, like that other logitech mouse. I have no problems witha microsoft mouse, but I've personally tryed an Intelimouse Explorer (on my box) playing quake3 and all I can say is that it just doesn't feel right. The mouse is not heavy enough, making it that much more easier to move.Just my two cents >=) ------------------
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Posted by Kayy on Jun. 03 2000,14:12
I never trusted big-brand names anyways really, the only reason I use stuff like windows is because I'm too lazy to learn Unix/Linux...As for my mouse, I use a crappy 2yr old mouse with no labels or names on it, just a serial code thats worn half away now. It has your normal buttons, your standard wheel, the middle button under the wheel (a must for Q3 weapon changing at speed) and a side thumb button for whatever you configure it as. The drivers, hah, didnt need em, windows 98 runs it as a standard mouse with wheel and an extra button, it all registers, it all works fine, and theres no extras with the drivers installed anyway.
This mouse has had 2yrs of intense battering, beating, being thrown around the room in disgust at that bloody camper who sniped my ass.., stood on, opened, cleaned, closed, and all that jazz, and I've never had one single glitch with it, or because of it. Thats my 10 pence worth thrown in. ------------------
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Posted by Octavian on Jun. 03 2000,22:34
i bought my intellimouse explorer about 4 months ago. when i got it, i was very disappointed. it was heavy, cumbersome, and it just didn't feel right. my frag counts sucked. but i dropped 70 bucks on it and a couple of l33t friends of mine had one and they said it was cool. two weeks later, i could have made love to it. it takes a while to get used to one, but when you do, it kicks ass. i don't even notice the weight, and if anything, i'm better for it. it's just like a gun, if it weighs a little more, you're less likely to flich it at the critical time. i had a little cheap microsoft mouse with the wheel and all. new one is sooo much smoother. two buttons on the side are cool, too, even if they feel a little cheap. definitely worth it if you can stand two weeks of getting your ass kicked in q3.
Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 04 2000,07:51
The performance and accuracy of the intellimouse is undoubtedly better(especially on uhh...not so clean surfaces), i think we can all agree on that. The only reason i havent gotten one yet is tha lack of a cordless model. I got a cordless logitech, and im hooked, my performance in all games has increased a lot, because my cord never gets caught on stuff...as soon as MS sells their intelli technology to logitech, or MS takes the initiative, ill get one. Once you go cordless, you dont go back.
Posted by simulacrum on Jun. 04 2000,08:37
Personally, I have the Intellimouse w/intellieye, and love it. I bought one the day they were released, and would never go back. Even with a brand new ball mouse, you can tell the acuracy difference between the two. At least I can.
Posted by Cyrino on Jun. 04 2000,21:22
Well, I really hate the design of Microsoft mice. I find that the Logitechs are a lot more comfortable. Also, funding is a problem for me. I can't afford these fancy "camera" mice without balls. If Logitech made a balless mouse, I would save up for it, but I just can't stand the design of Microsoft mice.------------------
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Posted by xaustinx on Jun. 04 2000,21:24
...there's about 20 different Desgins of the Intellimouse....you hate them all equally or do u hate one more than the other 
Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 05 2000,08:45
Ill keep my 3" trackball. You have to love something that has been around for 3 years taking my quake abuse and just keeps going.
Not to mention the fact that you can spin the ball and it will keep spinning for 10 seconds(works with the Hyperblaster for that "oh shit im in the middle" moment)------------------
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Posted by SLATE on Jun. 05 2000,14:03
razor boomslang to me is a joke.....
then again, i've neve used it... but i still wouldn't give it a try.. maybe i would... i would never buy one...
yeah that i wouldnt do... anything named boomslang i'd never buy
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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 05 2000,14:30
that 2000 dpi doesnt mean jack, i have a cordless which in no way was meant for gaming, but i can still be as accurate as hell, i can move my pointer one pixel at a time, and because games dont see any clearer than that, why pay more for no advantage. The mouse you buy has almost jack to do with your performance. if you keep it clean, then after that, its all skill.
Posted by SLATE on Jun. 05 2000,15:15
couldnt be better said, Sithiee------------------
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Posted by LinkDJ on Jun. 06 2000,21:27
I have an IntelliMouse Optical with IntelliEye, and I love it, my old Logitech Marble Trackball was better for Half-Life, but not by much, This mouse is soooo l33t, i set the 2 extra buttons to Copy and Paste, it saves alot of time. I wouldnt trade this for any mouse by Logitech. Well, now anyways.------------------
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Posted by eng_man on Jun. 07 2000,00:06
Are you crazy? The dpi makes a BIG difference. Just get ps2rate (assuming you have a ps2 mouse) and crank it up. Now I don't personally own one and there may come a point of diminishing returns, but anything less than 100 dpi would bel all but unusable by me. The reson I got the Intellimouse w/ Intellieye was A) it was cheaper than the Explorer & Boomslang B) it fits _MY_ hand better than the Explorer or Boomslang.Unless you've tried ps2rate (or a similar program) you don't know what you're missing. ------------------
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Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 07 2000,01:48
you can by far tell the diffrence if you are an experenced player
Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 07 2000,17:34
if your an experienced player, it wont matter. i can play as well on a intellimouse as on my cordless. there is no added accuracy from using a intellimouse over another mouse, unless you already had a lot of improvement possible. the only point of the intellimouse is that you dont have to clean a ball, after that, its just as accurate as any other mouse. and yes, i do have ps2rate, but that doesnt make that big of a difference unless your a really erratic player who moves the mouse all over a whole fucking lot
Posted by eng_man on Jun. 07 2000,20:47
Um ... NO.Just moving around the mouse in Windows you can tell a HUGE difference when ps2rate is on. The mouse moves so much more smoothly. I'm not saying you have to use an intellimouse. I don't just play games, and having a smooth mouse that I don't have to clean. I'll take one of those. ------------------
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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 07 2000,21:23
well ive had it for so long, maybe i just dont notice anymore...i dont even remember where i found it...it seemed to good to be true though...software overclocking of the mouse...
Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 07 2000,21:49
A refresh of 40hz is the Windows Default: when you run ps2rate at 200hz there is a marked improvement in accuracy in games. That doesn't mean you'll get better frag counts, it just means that gameplay movements are much smoother. Since a lot of video cards don't do much better than 40-60 fps, you might not notice it much, but on my GeForce with frame rates upwards of 100 fps you can see a definite difference between the two. Of course it wouldn't be noticable to some people, but then I can see most monitors flickering if the refresh is any less than 100Hz, and the slow 24fps of movies and DVD's drives me crazy. Make of that what you will.------------------
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Posted by renegade on Jun. 09 2000,14:07
I have one of those intellimouse explorers, and its the best mouse i ever had, ive never had a problem with it even hauling it to lan parties and such. to all you people that say that they suck and the pads wear out, i use a mousepad, do you?
Posted by ScruplaniS on Jun. 09 2000,17:38
Well I bought one of those Grey Explorer Intellimouse things with the Optical Eye and it died on me after a month and a half, so right now I'm in discussion with microsoft on getting a warranty replacement which could take forever. It was made quite cheaply considering the cord coming out of the mouse is really loose causing the thing to turn off and on randomly when I move it.I have to say that when it worked it was nice, my roommate got one and he likes it. I guess I just got one of the dud ones. Heres hoping they replace it soon, right now I'm back to using my old logitech, it's reliable but I hate the ball  ------------------
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Posted by DaTaFuSioN on Jun. 09 2000,23:01
the intellieye is c00l and all, but when you are really engrossed in a game of homeworld (yes, I know it is not a FPS, I still don't care) that red glow under my hand kind of disturbs me. Maybe 2 hours of sleep the night before, 4:30 am, surround sound, and eerily glowing peripherals is not a good mix. Or maybe it was the harvey wallbanger mix that was bad. oh well------------------
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Posted by xaustinx on Jun. 10 2000,22:24
the intellimouse explorer has a lifetime warrenty so i'd hope microsoft would replace it..
Posted by renegade on Jun. 10 2000,22:57
which company would you get it from...we wont have to worry for a year or so, but you know...just something to think about...
Posted by SLATE on Jun. 11 2000,03:31
Lets do a little test...
all of you with that mouse with the lser shit or something underneath do the following...
lisft it gradually higher until it stops working..
then find the highest hight it will still work at and measure that height.. please post it here after you measure that height.. then I will tell you why we performed this experiment.. see if my hypothesis was proved correct or false
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Posted by ScruplaniS on Jun. 11 2000,09:25
quote:
Originally posted by xaustinx:
the intellimouse explorer has a lifetime warrenty so i'd hope microsoft would replace it..
Well just got a message, looks like they are going to ship out a new one... supposedly they had a few problems like the one I had. Something about the cord not being secured properly inside the mouse.
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Posted by renegade on Jun. 11 2000,12:32
i can raise mine as far as the cord will go, but off the mousepad, the light dims, that is not breakage, that is a power saving feature of not having the laser on full blast.what it does, it measures the inputs, if there are the same inputs w/no changes, it goes into power save mode. its a feature not a bug, seriously
Posted by SLATE on Jun. 11 2000,19:26
quote:
Originally posted by renegade:
i can raise mine as far as the cord will go
Perfect, this is where i make my point... if you are at the edge of teh table or mouse srurface, how are you supposed to life it up and bring it back?
get what im saying? if its still reading movement from that high up, its going to move the mouse still..
understand what im saying? or must i draw a picture?
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Posted by Octavian on Jun. 12 2000,02:56
slate, i was worried about that before i bought my explorer. i used my friend's for a little while, and it wasn't a problem. hasn't been since either.you see, even when the light still stays on, mine doesn't track when i lift it any higher than about 1/4 to 1/2 of an inch. yes, i did measure it. since i lift my mouse about 3/4 of an inch when i have to move it, it's not an issue for me. and face it, we are unable of making a completely smooth motion when picking up our mice(?), there's always going to be a little hitch in the movement. i still say it's better than my old logitech. and about the durability, mine has been excellent. been through about 3 lan parties in the 4 months i've had it and been dropped and hit in frustration more times than i can count. [This message has been edited by Octavian (edited June 11, 2000).]
Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 12 2000,05:39
umm...im not sure everyone realizes that its not a laser, its a red LED, that means its just a light, so powering it down would save you almost no energy.
Posted by eng_man on Jun. 17 2000,12:41
It'll still pick up "stuff" even if the internals were metal.It's not to pretty but most of that is probably dead skin. So even if your mouse pad seems clean it isn't. It gets on the pad, then the rubber ball. Since the ball isn't perfectly smooth it picks up the dirt then it gets deposited on the places the ball touches ie the wheels. That's the beauty of the intellieye, nothing touches the pad therefore nothing to pick up dirt. If you're gonna keep that old ball mouse be ready for a lifetime of cleaning it out. ------------------
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Posted by Bob_Cannibal on Jun. 17 2000,17:42
I've got this 10$ AOpen
3 button+wheel mouse...
works for me... 3+ years of soda, dirt, grime, banging on, stepping on, throwing at a LAN camper... (team action...) soda, more soda, water, power surges, 2 ball replacements, (the dirt killed em...) and my sister using it as an emergency hammer... (gawd I still wanna kill her for that...)But really, where the fuck is all this dirt coming from? it's like, the mouse is _generating_ dirt... it picks up dirt _bad_ I gotta empty my mouse between maps in CS... (no, i've got a clean pad... no, no food/drink... yes, it jams when I am scouting that last CT b*tch in the final 10 seconds on CS_militia, while being fired upon with a colt...) it pisses me off tho... someone figure it out... ------------------
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Posted by Bob_Cannibal on Jun. 17 2000,17:48
anyone wanna fabricate (out of steel) some of the motion-sensing internals of a mouse? I figured it out... it is attracted by static to the plastic, and the mouse ball... make it out of steel, then ground it, no mss, no fuss, and a clean mouse...
Posted by Rol3x on Jun. 22 2000,00:42
i know you've been talking about this for a while, but im getting mixed messages here. overall, would most of you suggest i buy an intellimouse or do you prefer your logitech shits that much more? is not having a ball worth the cost? if u want to really get into this shit, post up a pros and cons thing here or something.-------
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Posted by tr0n on Jun. 22 2000,01:14
The MS Intellimouse Explorer is the only way to go.------------------
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Posted by Octavian on Jun. 22 2000,03:04
if you can afford the mouse, buy the damn thing.pros - nothing to clean, smoother motion, fits my hand better, heavier so it's steadier, two more buttons than old mouse, looks a hell of a lot cooler, gets chicks (maybe not. but let me dream). cons - price (70 in store, like 55-60 online), some say doesn't fit hand well, too heavy, feels cheap (mainly intellimouse optical [cheaper of the two]), just doesn't feel right, not willing to adapt to change. and about that whole "tracks when you pick it up" thing, that doesn't happen. see earlier post. happy?
Posted by Rol3x on Jun. 22 2000,04:26
Thanks, in the event that i find some money,i think i will go buy one.------
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Posted by Chronos on Jun. 26 2000,12:37
i have an intellimouse explorer (dad gave it to me, aww yeah) and i worship it, its all about the smoothness. and not having to clean it. sorry i know everyone else has saaid this, but you dont know until you experience it and the bright red light does pull the chicks
Posted by DuSTman on Jun. 26 2000,18:24
I have a small hand. I used to have a logitech mouseman+, and it had the same sort of shape as the MS intellimouse explorer, but very slightly smaller. It felt fairly good, but i just got a feeling that it was a little too big, and the MS explorer is larger, so no.Also i dislike the shape of intellimice (the nobble at the back leads me to incorrectly orientate the mouse with respect to my hand). The optical looked bloody massive as well, so i suspect none of them are for me..
Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 26 2000,20:44
Just got an optical mouse, and would recommend it to anyone who is buying a new mouse. It's phenominal! And I thought the Intellimouse basic was cool!------------------
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Posted by reducer on Jun. 26 2000,21:38
Intellimouse Explorer?Imagine how much it crippled the mousepad industry *sob* -- The best mouse I've ever 0wned, 'cept I haven't had many mice. Definately smoother, no crap gathering at the ball anymore... Buttons are alright. It has 5 buttons, 3 which are actually useful, I have no clue what the others are doing there. But, nevertheless...
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Posted by Octavian on Jun. 27 2000,01:16
i have the front one set up to open explorer and the other one closes the active window. handy for those damn pop-ups.
Posted by Nachoman on Jun. 27 2000,05:41
I've heard that the new Optical Intellimice are really nice, though I haven't yet had the opertunity to try one out myself yet. My only gripe with them is that they are *very* right handed. I'm a lefty and am usually able to work just fine with righty mice because I only have the shape to deal with. With these new one though, the buttons are built in on the side and I cant get at them with my left hand. Anyone know if/where you can find a lefty version of these things? Thats the only thing keeping me from buying one.
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