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Topic: Snipin' yo ass!
started by: CatKnight

Posted by CatKnight on Jun. 27 2001,21:55

w00tah!

Posted by Spydir on Jun. 27 2001,23:10

I got this book called "Snipe and Kill". It's cool. It's got all this information about snipers from all the major wars since the american revolution.

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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 28 2001,02:49

heh, at first i thought the scope was on the rifle, and i was about to call you a wussy. and i hate you for having good equipment. all our teams stuff is like from the late 70's, and has the wear to back that up

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does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here

Posted by LiNeY on Jun. 28 2001,19:23

Where do I have to go to be allowed to shoot with such a sniper thingie?!?

Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Jun. 28 2001,20:50

Dark Knight Bob: ENEMY SNIPER 3 O'CLOCK 200
(points shilka at sniper)
Dark Knight Bob: SNIPER IS HISTORY

dont mess wiv me mad shilka skillzz!!!

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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 29 2001,01:55

theres no magnification scope. i dunno if that still counts as sniping. the scope is so he can check how well hes doing and make adjustments. ck, are you right or left eye dominant? im left eyed like that awesome sniper dude in saving ryans privates.

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does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here

Posted by CatKnight on Jun. 30 2001,22:47

actually sithiee that is a left-handed gun.

i'm not left handed. someone broke the sight on my usual gun. oh yeah and neither of my eyes is dominant, they both suck! (i can use either, but it's hard either way).

Posted by Sithiee on Jul. 01 2001,01:38

heh, when we were using air rifles, i was using a right handed gun, but it was nice and rounded on the other side, so it worked. for some reason i liked it better than the one lefthanded rifle we had. i dunno, i sucked with both, but i was better with the right. and you should smack whoever broke such nice equipment. bitches!

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does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here

Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 01 2001,09:59

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
Dark Knight Bob: ENEMY SNIPER 3 O'CLOCK 200
(points shilka at sniper)
Dark Knight Bob: SNIPER IS HISTORY
dont mess wiv me mad shilka skillzz!!!

If a sniper gets that close to you, you have been dead for quite some time and he is coming to strip your corpse.

I never took a shot at less than 500M. 75\% of my shots were over 1100M. (15 out of 21)

Nice .22 target rifle, who made it?

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Posted by CatKnight on Jul. 01 2001,12:11

actually our equipment is not good. that happens to be a brand new left-handed rifle, but it still sucks and was not calibrated at all. most of our equipment is in shambles and i spend about an hour trying to find a gun with a working sight. the only nice gun is our team sponser who has an m-4 carbine with a red-dot scope which is uberl33t but extremely loud

Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 01 2001,13:01

my target rifle, stock, was a piece of shit. took about 񘐜 to get it to a point where it was useable.

had the stock custom built and weighted and about 逤 in just trigger and sight work. There was no creep at all in my trigger. at 8lbs 1oz it just snapped. it was great. The sights were adjustable apature peep sights. about the best you can do for target without a scope.

Then came the attachments for the stock, and the 2 custom replacement barrels. If your rounds start walking down and to the right for no reason, check to see if there are still groves in the barrel. You can shoot the bore smooth.

Things to do to help.
Remove and reseat both sight sets(front and rear). Use locktite when replacing the sights.
Remove and reseat the barrel and the action. Use locktite again.
check the action (trigger and bolt group) to make sure nothing is loose. check the hammer release for wear(there may or may not be a release adjustment here to increase/decrease the trigger pull). Your groups can get 25\% tighter just by making sure every thing is tight. a heavier trigger pull is better than a light one. the heavier pull makes you think about your shot while your pulling the trigger instead of the gun just going off when you touch the trigger.

Best thing to do is to get parts custom made. Stock trigger groups are made out of cast or stamped metal. This will wear funny. Custom parts are machined and then hardened.

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Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 01 2001,13:08

If thats you in the pic, get a spacer for the stocks butt plate. it looks like you could use another inch of stock(basic distance from butt of stock to trigger is the distance from the inside of your elbow to your second knuckle of your trigger finger).
Also wear a weight belt. it gives you a place to rest your elbow when shooting offhand.

Velcro on your elbow and on your shooting vest works too.

Edit: and if you smoke, quit. That little shake is about 1/2" at 50 yards
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This message has been edited by Wolfguard on July 02, 2001 at 08:16 AM

Posted by CatKnight on Jul. 01 2001,13:37

heh our team captain is a girl (she's really hot too) and she says "you don't need a weight belt, just use your hips!" and i'm like okay that's easy for you to say

and i'm not gonna quit smoking, i have other ways of keeping steady.

Posted by CatKnight on Jul. 01 2001,13:40

my biggest problem is overcoming my astygmatism. if i look through my glasses at one angle, then move just slightly, everything shifts around and i miss the taret completely!

contacts would be nice, even if just for rifle practice. maybe i could go to the optomitrist and ask for the sample pair, and just wear them for practice.

Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 01 2001,13:51

just ask if you can use her hips

Woman shoot better offhand just for that reason. they have a place to put their elbow.

With a slightly longer stock your head would be at a different angle to the sights. That and an anti glare coating on your glasses. It helps but contacts are the way to go.

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Posted by Observer on Jul. 01 2001,15:49

Could someone explain how that's a left-handed rifle when he's pulling the trigger with his right hand? I always thought a left-handed rifle meant you pulled the trigger with your left hand.

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Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 01 2001,15:54

simple.

Look at the pic. See the stock how it bulges out? Thats a cheek rest. Its on the right side of the stock for the shooters left cheek.

See the bolt handle? No? thats because its on the other side for a left handed shooter.

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Posted by CatKnight on Jul. 01 2001,16:03

they also have these rifles where the bolt handle is on the same side but its long and curved backwards which is weird, but even more ackward to use for righty's

Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Jul. 01 2001,20:30

quote:
Originally posted by Wolfguard:
If a sniper gets that close to you, you have been dead for quite some time and he is coming to strip your corpse.
I never took a shot at less than 500M. 75\% of my shots were over 1100M. (15 out of 21)
Nice .22 target rifle, who made it?

you dont know what a shilka is do you. the thing fires like 500 rounds a second (something like that anywayz) you wouldnt be able to see me for the amount of lead flying through thte air

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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Jul. 01 2001,20:34

fuck

This message has been edited by Dark Knight Bob on July 02, 2001 at 03:35 PM

Posted by askheaves on Jul. 01 2001,22:22

I'm not a rifle guy, but I'm thinking about doing a trigger modification for my Beretta. Some guy (world renowned, or something) will take the over travel out of my trigger and lighten up the springs. The single action on mine is about as tight as the double action on most weapons, but with a hell of a lot of travel to it. This leaves me with interesting situations where I'm not sure when the trigger is going to let go. The thing was likely originally a police service issue.

I'm just curious, Wolfguard, if the hard trigger pull is something I want to preserve, if I get the overtravel out. I think my trigger travels around a quarter inch in single-action. That's real bad. I'd love to have a hard trigger with 0.000 inch travel.

Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 02 2001,11:11

on a pistol you want a lighter trigger pull than a rifle. On a rifle you are pulling the trigger into your sholder. This makes the gun more steady. 7-10lbs is good.

a pistol is different since you are holding the entire thing out in front of you. When you pull the trigger you are pulling it into your wrist. Your wrist will want to turn a bit in the direction of pull. If you can get it down to 3-4 lbs your better off.

Get the trigger work done. You want no creep in the trigger at all. The trigger should break clean and only move when you reach the set trigger pull and at that point it should fire.

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Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 02 2001,11:21

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
you dont know what a shilka is do you. the thing fires like 500 rounds a second (something like that anywayz) you wouldnt be able to see me for the amount of lead flying through thte air

23mm cannon mounted quad on the ZSU-23-4. Rof is 1500-5000 rounds per minute. Mounted in a radar guided turret on a soviet air defense tank.

I knew what it was before i watched the jackel.

It wont matter if you dont know im there till your heart is blown out your back. Dont matter how many rounds you can put down range if your not alive anymore to pull the trigger.

There is a lot more learned in sniper school than how to hit a target from a long ways away. They teach you how to get at the target without it knowing your there till you put a bullet through its heart.

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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Jul. 02 2001,19:48

ahahahahaha u think u could sneak up on me!!! ahahhahaaha

dont mess with me I'VE PLAYED METAL GEAR SOLID! 1000000 TIMES!

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Posted by SLATE on Jul. 03 2001,02:31

Sorry, I don't know much about guns, though i pretend i do. What is this measure of trigger pull and travel?

My guess is the trigger pull is either a) (less likely) How many pounds of pressure you have to pull to fire. or b) how far back you have to pull the trigger.

Travel is how far the trigger... moves from vibration and shit after pulling it back till it shoots.

Am i right? If not, what's it mean?
(wolf?)

Posted by Sithiee on Jul. 03 2001,04:01

i believe itd be pull = a, and travel = b

but its not just that that matters (at least sometimes) sometimes you have a smoother trigger pull, where you really have no way of telling when its gonna go off (unless you use the rifle so much you can just tell), or theres a decent change in the force required to pull it back to where it fires. our air rifles, you could pull back, and if you did it slowly, thered be a point where you needed extra force to keep it going, and when you got there, you knew that any more force applied would shoot it. i personally prefer that....but coach says that the other way is better....i dunno, i bet wg does.

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Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 03 2001,11:48

quote:
Originally posted by SLATE:
Sorry, I don't know much about guns, though i pretend i do. What is this measure of trigger pull and travel?
My guess is the trigger pull is either a) (less likely) How many pounds of pressure you have to pull to fire. or b) how far back you have to pull the trigger.
Travel is how far the trigger... moves from vibration and shit after pulling it back till it shoots.
Am i right? If not, what's it mean?
(wolf?)

Pull is a measure in pounds of how much pressure it takes to pull the trigger to make the gun fire. (your answer a was correct)

Travle is how far the trigger moves befor the gun fires. This is a bad thing. the trigger should not move at all during the pull of the trigger. You should be able to squeeze the trigger and it should "snap" cleanly when the gun fires.

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Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 03 2001,11:56

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:

dont mess with me I'VE PLAYED METAL GEAR SOLID! 1000000 TIMES!

I have played war with the Panamanian army and with some people that were in the "inport export" business in a country just south of panama.

21 Confirmed kills with a m21 sniper rifle.

Thats just with the sniper rifle...

A sniper rifle is kind of like ATnT.
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Reach out, reach out and fuck some one. Reach out and just say die....
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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Jul. 03 2001,19:06

well i've burned ants with a magnifying glass. if you put it to scale i've nuked them from 3 km's away with a piece of glass

Posted by SLATE on Jul. 04 2001,04:29

quote:
Originally posted by Wolfguard:
Travle is how far the trigger moves befor the gun fires. This is a bad thing. the trigger should not move at all during the pull of the trigger. You should be able to squeeze the trigger and it should "snap" cleanly when the gun fires.

Ah... makes sense.. Thanks wiggy (wg sounds like wiggy to me).
So, im guessing that you dont want to have any travel.. you should literally fire a bullet when the trigger moves the slightest. Am I correct to assume that?

Also, how often are guns that are brand new that aren't perfectly set-up like that? is it rare, or does it happen often?

The closest thing to firing a gun is my paintball gun... that fucker is a bitch to cock.

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[person guy's mad scientist guy] i want you to touch my butt! <insert heavy breathing>[/person guy's mad scientist guy]

Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 04 2001,16:40

its very rare that you get a gun out of the box that does not need work.

If you are going to invest the time and money in getting a gun and getting mods made the best thing to do is to find your local gunsmith. Talk to him and find out what he can do for a given gun. The one he talks up the most is the one he can rebuild the best.

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Posted by miNus on Jul. 07 2001,20:27

As soon as I'm 18 and I get my own place, I'm going to buy a rifle. I used to live up in Alaska, where I hunted with my step dad and went to the rifle range and shot mostly .22's but some shot guns and stuff. I was never really into it tremendously, but now that I moved down to RI and I'm living with a no gun family, I realize how much I miss it

Paintball just isn't the same, either
It's 18 that you have to be, right? I hope it's not 21...

-miNus

Posted by CatKnight on Jul. 08 2001,01:55

lol!

it'd be funny if he went into a gun store and asked the owner that. sorta like going to a bar, ordering a drink, and saying "hey, the drinking age is 18 right? not 21? cuz im only 18..."

Posted by askheaves on Jul. 08 2001,16:17

I live in Arizona and it's 21 here. What are the odds of it being 18 anywhere else in the US?

Posted by nautilus on Jul. 09 2001,00:23

I know in Louisiana it's 18. My dad used to deal guns privately out of our house until the Brady Bill. The only reason I wasn't given a gun when I turned 18 like my sister was that I was going away to school and keeping a gun in my dorm room would've just been BAD. Not 100\% certain about here in PA, but I'm pretty sure it's also 18.

Posted by miNus on Jul. 09 2001,01:25

Yep, 18 here too. I think... < here > and < here >. But then there's < this >. Is this just that I can't buy a pistol til I'm 21? Wierd, RI laws are very < vague >.

-miNus

Posted by miNus on Jul. 09 2001,10:00

Well, a minor is ALWAYS someone under 18, so I think the age is 18. I'm going to see if my uncle knows, he's got a few guns.

Posted by CatKnight on Jul. 09 2001,11:26

well i know you can't buy a handgun unless you are 21. maybe .22 target rifles and/or hunting rifles are only 18...

Posted by miNus on Jul. 09 2001,15:14

I just found out... 18 for all guns besides handguns. So you can buy an AK47, but not a pistol. Hooookay then...

-miNus

Posted by CatKnight on Jul. 09 2001,15:40

a .22 ak47 with 5 round magazine anyway

edit: magazine not clip

This message has been edited by CatKnight on July 10, 2001 at 10:41 AM

Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 09 2001,16:36

Ak47 is chambered for 7.62mm ammo and has never been converted to anything else.

You may be thinking of an AKM, the chinese knockoff of the same gun right down to the stamps on the barrel.

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Posted by SLATE on Jul. 09 2001,17:45

RI has got some fucking comfusing laws man...

1) Minors (persons under 21) may not get a gun.
2) You must be 18 or older to get a gun
3) minors under 21 can get a gun if mommy and daddy are with them, otherwise, no.

WTF is that about? I say stick with 2 :P

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Posted by askheaves on Jul. 09 2001,18:35

First, I've heard of AK-47s that have been custom fitted with .22 barrels. Second, it's not illegal to have 7.62mm barreled weapons. My friend has an AK-74 (semi) and an SKS (also semi). Where you get into trouble is having fully-auto weapons. Even 3 rd burst mods to an SKS are allowed.

Swear to God, I've actually seen a handgun that takes 7.62 rounds. It's some russian thingy. It scared me.

Posted by Vigilante on Jul. 09 2001,18:50

< http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0600/601.htm >

Now that's got style.

Posted by miNus on Jul. 09 2001,19:26

G zus

Posted by CatKnight on Jul. 10 2001,05:22

7.67mm round rifles are highly illegal though

all of the ak47's you can buy in the us are a smaller caliber and have limited magazine sizes. maybe they aren't called ak47's though.

Posted by afropik on Jul. 10 2001,06:07

Vigilante, I was thinking of that gun the whole time I was reading this post :P

Posted by Wolfguard on Jul. 11 2001,09:54

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Originally posted by CatKnight:
7.67mm round rifles are highly illegal though .

so .308 winchester rounds are illegal?

You guys with the .22 cal AK-47s are most likely looking at an AKM. china is known for its knockoffs.

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