Forum: The Classroom
Topic: computer crashes
started by: Rhydant

Posted by Rhydant on Jul. 17 2000,23:32
this is pissing me off

ever since i got this computer, it crashes almost every 6 hours. its completely nuts! ive downloaded all the win98 patches, upgrades, and bug fixes, but it crashes a helluva lot

for some reason, running a game and leaving it idle (ie, UT, homeworld, ect) keeps it from freezing so much

anyone else have this problem/know how to fix it?

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Posted by SimplyModest on Jul. 17 2000,23:47
umm....... 98 sucks!....

but what kinda everything are you running?
(how much RAM....etc)

does it ONLY lock when you're doing something, or if you leave a screen saver running it will lock too ?


Posted by neotope on Jul. 18 2000,01:14
yeah, intstall a stable OS such as win2k.
Posted by Happyfish on Jul. 18 2000,02:10
Is you 'puter o/clocked at all?
Posted by rig_hater on Jul. 18 2000,02:44
i had a similar problem with my computer. turned out to be my cd-rom drive bios (who knew?!)

Anyway, i was using a Sony CDU4821 and i had the bios version S0.M. I flashed the bios up to S0.P and it's worked great ever since. My computer rarely crashes anymore and even when it does, it's only due to the crazy graphics apps I run.

apart from that, i've had way better luck with win98 first edition. se sux0rs.

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Posted by Rhydant on Jul. 18 2000,03:01
ok.....

Samsung CD-ROM SC-140
Rae Pro TurboAGP 2X
Crystal SoungFusion sound card thingy
im not sure which kind of HD.... a 6.4 gig one, though
Celeron running at 466
64 megs-o-ram
what else?

no, not over clocked

no, cant find a copy of win2k
plus, doesnt that take more space that win 98? my HD isnt big enough (1.2 gigs left)

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Posted by aventari on Jul. 18 2000,06:58
hey, how long has it been running under the current windows install?
it would be sketchy if >1 year..

im suspecting hard drive (age) or video card (drivers)

how old is the HD, and which video drivers are you running?

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Posted by Hellraiser on Jul. 18 2000,11:16
That vid card is ATI, and ATI drivers are known for problems. Perhaps you should check to see if they have updated drivers at < www.ati.com > it might help. I used to have strange crashes when browsing in 32bit color until I got updated drivers from them.

You might not want to consider this but if you have all your original software disks, try reinstalling Windows 98 and your software. If you don't have a backup device, move your important stuff to a single folder on your computer and delete everything else first, then do a fresh install.

Also, you might want to check your power management settings: if it is set to go to standby or idle harddisks after 5 hours that could be causing crashes. APM for Win98 rarely has worked properly for me, except to turn off the monitor when I am not using my computer. If you want to have something running all the time to keep it from crashing, try getting the SETI@home client from < http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu > and set it up to run as your screensaver. This way, your CPU and harddrive will be active whenever you are not using your computer, and might prevent crashes in the future.

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Posted by Nene on Jul. 18 2000,13:31
hmmm...this problem sounds familiar. We had the same problem after we downloaded the Win98 "security" updates. After that our computers froze all of the time.

Something about those updates, because it was both of our computers, and he built his where I bought mine.

Grrrrrrr. We reloaded 98, don't do those security updates, and are saving our pennies for win2k.

bastards all.

xoxoxox

not the nene


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Posted by SimplyModest on Jul. 18 2000,18:08
I used to work with comp. repairs.... and you have NO idea how much installing win98 over top of your current version fixes shit.

its the first thing i always try because you dont loose any data. (just run the install on the cdrom)

if you have 1 64meg RAM chip, borrow from someone some RAM and try it out.. if you have like 2 32megs, try taking them out one at a time.

(if it happens rarely it may be a problem with you high mem thinga-majiga's)


Posted by jgabby on Jul. 18 2000,23:21
I'm gonna back the dude up on the Power Management. I've never had it work correctly for me. When I try to go to standby mode, it either dumps me right back out of it, or locks up in it. Annoying, since I like to leave my machine on all the time, but wanna give my disk drives a rest sometimes.

Posted by Hellraiser on Jul. 18 2000,23:32
I run my computer with SETI all the time: been working great without crashes and reboots for almost 6 weeks now. Of course, having a fresh install of Win98 helps a little too.

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Posted by Happyfish on Jul. 19 2000,02:39
Are you actually hoping that you'll discover ET?
Posted by The_Hiro on Jul. 19 2000,03:16
Regarding SETI:
Seems quite a few of the scientists involved have grown pessimistic about finding ETs (although they admit that only a small fraction of the sky has been searched so far). Here's a < press release > that talks about reasons for the pessimism, and about the improbability of the earth-like conditions needed to foster life (as we know it).
Posted by Hellraiser on Jul. 19 2000,10:05
Nah, it's mostly competition now. I sincerely doubt that anyone will find ET by analyzing little 104 second bits of radio noise in narrow spectrums. But it's cool, and I now have a respectable 584 units to my credit.

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Posted by DaDroid on Jul. 19 2000,16:56
Take it from a experienced windows / linux user..... WINDOWS SUCKS!!!!!!!

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Posted by Hellraiser on Jul. 19 2000,21:18
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Originally posted by jptech:
Power management could definately be a big problem, if you've got it turned on. Also, how is your processor cooled? If it's using a heatsink w/o a fan it may be overheating, that would cause it to freeze up (Cyrix procs. are really good at that)

The only problem with that idea is that he says he leaves a game running to prevent crashes. With a game running, the proc would be more likely to overheat than just idling.

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Posted by Zamt on Jul. 20 2000,01:46
My Dell comp has been on for three months without a problem, except when I installed diablo 2. I had to update my video drivers. As someone who fixed a whole lotta crashes, as was said before, reinstall Win98 and get the most updated video drivers. That covers about 80\% of most crashes. You might want to clean up your registry as well, if you know how.
Posted by rig_hater on Jul. 20 2000,02:12
regclean is a wonderful program. apart from that, you might want to fiddle with your cmos. the power management should be set to user defined on most computer systems.

another thing, do you have any conflicts in device manager, or any unknown hardware? I've seen problems occur with the PCI bridge before. check your irq's - see what's being shared and what's conflicting. mouse vs. modem is common on older systems, but since you've got a relatively newer one that likely is ATX form with a ps/2 mouse, you shouldn't be encountering that problem.

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Posted by jptech on Jul. 20 2000,05:27
Power management could definately be a big problem, if you've got it turned on. Also, how is your processor cooled? If it's using a heatsink w/o a fan it may be overheating, that would cause it to freeze up (Cyrix procs. are really good at that)
Posted by k00gs on Jul. 21 2000,05:45
its not your video card, ram, hard disk, or windows .. its most likely a flaw in your motherboard .. I had crashes, blue screens, the whole works with my old system, and I bought a BP6, which was great investment. Usually video cards and such peripherals work pretty well, because less can go wrong with a video card as opposed to a motherboard (its easier to troubleshoot). See if you can get a replacement through the warranty. If that doesn't fix it, buy an apple IIe: they cant run windows but u can still play space invaders! =)
Posted by k00gs on Jul. 21 2000,05:46
oh yeah. disable power management
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