Forum: The Classroom
Topic: detonate.net
started by: zarck
Posted by zarck on May 18 2000,13:44
The page looks really good in IE  and works very good.
But (theres always a but ) it really sUCKZ in nEtsCApe  well not that much.. but lots of stuff looks very odd.
you should really consider make it look good in ns too ------------------
zarck gfx for tOL & sBp & perl freak
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Amiga 4 the creative mind
Posted by Anztac on May 18 2000,16:52
No he shouldn't! you should get Mozillas Milestone builds. Write for Mozzila and IE not Netscape 4.*. If it looks weird in Netscape 4.* then thats the person who is using netscape 4.*'s problem. They should upgrade.------------------
~Anztac
(formerly kriegman)
"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
"It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination."
-"The Restaurant at the End of the Universe", Douglas Adams
Posted by marc c on May 18 2000,22:34
You know, I used to think of webmasters who didn't code for both IE and Netscape as lazy and incompetent. But after the experience of designing my own site, I say "fuck 'em."Netscape will mangle just about any code, even that produced with it's own HTML editor. And since only 20\% of the people visiting my site use Netscape, there's not much reason for me to try to fix things.
Perhaps I will change my mind if the new releases of Netscape are any good, but not until then. Oh, and Anztac, your sig is four times as long as your post. I doubt anyone could care less about a paragraph-long Douglas Adams quote (I certantly don't), and I don't want to have to scroll through useless stuff like that. Same goes to zarck, there's no reason to make a one line quote take up four lines by using UBB code. Stick with parentheses, instead. ------------------
-marcc
< lmao.cjb.net - funny pictures >.
Posted by Hellraiser on May 18 2000,22:53
Yeah, took me hours of additional effort to mangle perfectly good code enough so that it would appear properly in Netscape as well as IE. I had to eventually resort to backgrounds to achieve the effects I wanted to, and even still, Netscape had problems with it. Also, every Java applet I have ever had works with IE, but about 15-20\% of them fail in Netscape. Netscape doesn't properly support the PNG format which is much better than GIF for high quality lossless compression of images, and has numerous other problems which I won't go into here. Suffice it to say that Netscape 4 sucks, which is why I don't use it if I don't have to.
Posted by zarck on May 19 2000,01:32
who said that html editing should be easy?
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zarck gfx for tOL & sBp & perl freak
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Amiga 4 the creative mind
Posted by Anztac on May 19 2000,02:14
When I started making pages I would visualize them in my head, then think up the code, wrtie it in, and imeadiatly it looked exactly how I wanted it in IE. Then I'd look at in Nutskrape Instagater and say WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS!!! THAT TABLE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE VERTICLE NOT HORIZONTAL!!! WHAT'S THAT LINE THERE? WHY IS THERE A GAP THERE? WHY IS HALF THE PAGE BLANK!! WTF! I would look at my perfectly indented code and start trying things, and trying more random things. Then I would finnaly figure it out, like all the table code (all of it) had to be contained on one line no spaces!!! or I had to set the background on a table to something stupid. or just redisgn the entire code base completly in to a tangled mess that worked, but I could never figure out again. so FUCK THEM IS RIGHT. god I wasted SO much time coding for netscape.------------------
~Anztac (formerly kriegman) "I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain] [This message has been edited by Anztac (edited May 18, 2000).]
Posted by veistran on May 19 2000,02:15
"And God said unto Moses 'There will one day be a language and it shall be known is HTML and it shall be easy to use except when used with netscape." Genesis 212:23 the un-edited version  Still, I do think it's kinda fucked up that it's own html editor can't do html that will look good in it.
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Veistran I have no room to park my tanks.
Posted by Anztac on May 19 2000,02:15
quote:
Originally posted by Anztac:
When I started making pages I would visualize them in my head, then think up the code, write it in, and imeadiatly it looked [b]exactly how I wanted it in IE. Then I'd look at in Nutskrape Instigater and say WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS!!! THAT TABLE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE VERTICLE NOT HORIZONTAL!!! WHAT'S THAT LINE THERE? WHY IS THERE A GAP THERE? WHY IS HALF THE PAGE BLANK!! WTF! I would look at my perfectly indented code and start trying things, and trying more random things. Then I would finnaly figure it out, like all the table code (all of it) had to be on one line no spaces!!! or I had to set the background on a table to something stupid. or just redisgn the entire code base completly in to a tangled mess that worked, but I could never figure out again. so FUCK THEM IS RIGHT. god I wasted SO much time coding for netscape.
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Posted by Anztac on May 19 2000,02:16
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~Anztac (formerly kriegman) "I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
Posted by veistran on May 19 2000,02:50
What was the point of those last two post's their Anztac? Testing to make sure your new sig worked?------------------
Veistran I have no room to park my tanks.
Posted by Anztac on May 19 2000,03:16
nope. messing with the buttons. Never used UBB before. Fun stuff. Nice package cr0 good choice------------------
~Anztac (formerly kriegman) "I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
Posted by Epoxy on May 19 2000,03:20
Yeah Nutscrape sucks ass------------------
Cheers
--Rob
Posted by Epoxy on May 19 2000,03:21
I thought Everybody had seen UBB
Posted by Anztac on May 19 2000,03:24
Well I have seen it before, but I've never used it before. I've seen it everyware------------------
~Anztac (formerly kriegman) "I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
Posted by Ansible on May 19 2000,05:10
Netscape can suck me the hell off. Damn piece of SHIT. Pain in the ass to code for.
Posted by Hellraiser on May 19 2000,07:38
Netscrape Instigator: the bane of rational HTML code.
Posted by ScruplaniS on May 19 2000,08:11
quote:
Originally posted by Epoxy:
I thought Everybody had seen UBB
Welp this is the first I've seen it... I usually try to stay away from BBS like things but hey, this is detonate.net . ScruplaniS
Posted by Ansible on May 19 2000,09:50
Hell, I even went to that w3c.org site, and my code was FLAWLESS. And still netscape had a cow over it. So in conclusion, F-U-C-K, Y-O-U, Netscape.
Posted by incubus on May 21 2000,23:45
It's tables that wind me up. In IE, they are purty. In Nutscrape, they suck the sweat off a dead man's balls.------------------
-- incubus
As I chase the leaves like the words I never find ...
Posted by kiddeo on May 22 2000,00:42
netscape sucks big time. no one should be using it at all.
Posted by simulacrum on May 22 2000,21:57
Netscape blows. Hard. I work for an ISP, and it always pisses me off when I get users who refuse to use IE because they don't want to support MS and such, yet they are running Windows. I feel like screaming at them to run linux, but alas I would probably get fired. The only people I feel bad for are the ones on linux, Solaris, and other such OSes that don't have much of a choice, and have to look a shitty formatted page.
Posted by Anztac on May 22 2000,22:12
They do now. Get Mozilla M15. Ditch Nutskrape------------------
~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman) "I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain] [This message has been edited by Anztac (edited May 22, 2000).]
Posted by eng_man on May 22 2000,22:16
Actually Milestone 16 is floating around somewhere on their site ... so said a /. post.I'll stick with IE thank you very much. ------------------
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Posted by simulacrum on May 23 2000,00:20
Nutscrape 6 has some nifty features and all, but the improvements just don't make it. Pathetic that they jump from 4.x to 6, and it barely has any improvements. The thing I hate the most about Nutscrape is all the other stuff it installs, even with a minimal install.
Posted by Lizzy on May 23 2000,00:25
Never, ever, EVER install a program if it doesn't have the 'Custom Install' option! And you're a lam0r if you don't use the custom install!
Posted by Lordbrandon on May 23 2000,02:11
Fuck ie i'd use neoplanet before i installed that peice
Posted by Lizzy on May 23 2000,02:14
If memory serves, Neoplanet requires IE. Die, Netscape.
Posted by Hellraiser on May 23 2000,07:20
For all that I don't like Microsoft, I still find IE to be the best browser I have used to this day. Death to Netscape for being such a shitty product!------------------
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Posted by Wolfguard on May 23 2000,07:36
who here remembers ie3 and when ie4 first came out? What did you think of ie then?What did you think of netscape then? I use Netscape for almost everything because i find it faster. I use IE for only one site, this one, because i dont want to miss anything here. IMHO: when Netscape gets its act together and is allowed by AOL(am i the only one that finds this funny? AOL buys netscape and netscape goes down the tubes?)to put out its products on time and with the proper testing and stops listening to M$ then it will be a worthy product again. Im tired of hearing the same people bitch about a product they swore by not 2 years ago and prase a product that they swore they would never use. Nothing worse than a bandwagon jumper. Im done now. Flame me at will.
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Posted by Lizzy on May 23 2000,08:33
Well, back then I had IE3, since I was using AOL (sue me). Once I got external web browsers working with AOL, I liked Netscape because it loaded pages smoother and faster, even though it took 2x as long to load the actual program (but I had a 486, so I needed Netscape's speed). Now that I have a nice computer I don't need the one and only reason I used Netscape.
Posted by simulacrum on May 23 2000,11:57
Back when IE3 was out, I was using Netscape. I started using both during the Nutscrape/IE 3 war. When IE 4 came out, I switched over. I used Nutscrape from version 1.1 to 3. Those were the days, I even have the install disks for Navigator 1.1. 3 3.5 floppies !
Posted by eng_man on May 23 2000,14:35
Comparing version 3 of the browsers is a bit unfair. IE really only came out with version 3. Whereas Netscape had been out for awhile. If anything you should compare IE 3 to Netscape 1.Then which is better? I think Netscape just got lazy or cocky and IE sneaked up and stole what they once had. ------------------
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Posted by Proteun on May 23 2000,14:43
I used to be such an anti anything that had to do with Microsoft, until they released IE 4.5 for the Mac, and that thing flew. I can't even stand to use Netscape, nutscrape whatever. What's this debate all about anyway?------------------
Like a flash I'm out-
-Proteun
Posted by zarck on May 24 2000,03:34
cant say that explorer isnt better than netscape, because it is. but one thing with explorer sucks big time, and that is that explorer have alot of explorer specified html commands thats not html. and when you use ie frontpage. the page will be optimized for explorer and dont work in any other browser. and that sucks. the only problem ive occured when programing html is that netscape have some troubles with backgrounds in tables. but that can be worked around or fixed in other ways.
Posted by Hellraiser on May 24 2000,07:37
However much you dislike Microsoft, you have to admit that IE 4 and 5 are halfway decent products, and better than anything Netscape has come out with yet. There, I think I said that in a way that won't offend too many people, though I could care less about that.------------------
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Posted by Kolben on May 24 2000,17:46
Netscape also have problems when using a javascript to get values out of large html-forms.
But netscape is faster in handling lotsa stuff...embeds, applets and so on. Netscape is still my preferred browser...although it automatically installs realplayer...YUCK!
Posted by Anztac on May 24 2000,20:37
Haha! netscape having trouble with Javascript!? They invented the damn thing! WTF! Either IE made some proprietary thing in javascript or that version was messed.------------------
~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman) "I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
Posted by PsyShook on May 24 2000,22:07
I agree with Proteum on IE vs. Netscape for macs. Netscape couldn't print right on my mac. It would either print the page way too long and start going on to way too many shits or it would print in a very small box in the center of the page. Well I went and got IE5 for mac. This is better than IE5 for windows(SERIOUSLY).------------------
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Posted by Hellraiser on May 24 2000,22:24
Netscape may have invented JavaScript, but it still doesn't handle it well. IE 5 is much better at JavaScript than Netscape is.------------------
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Posted by incubus on May 24 2000,22:35
It's just logic. No-one can say Netscape is better than Internet Explorer. Yes it's integrated with the OS and uses secret APIs as it's a Microsoft app on a Microsoft OS.But. They are both free. IE is better and faster and is easier to make nice sites for, whether coding by hand or using a generator. It feels better. It's sucky that NS is balls, because I'd love it to do better, having opened up it's source, but the sad fact is it is balls. Mozilla looks promising though, for other platforms too. But as it stands it's still full of bugs. Ever tried running it on a SMP machine? It's tearful. I'm not jumping on a bandwagon, I will always go with what feels right and despite everyone's hatred of Microsoft (which I feel is in fact jumping on bandwagons by many) I will go for what does the job. cr0bar has produced an excellent site, full of excellent content. He should be free to focus on this content (as should all webmasters) without having to worry about images repeating in tables and balls like that. Netscape should be the ones getting their act together. If they are meant to be showing a commitment to open source, then get their product down to something which isn't a bunch of cock. 'nuff said. ------------------
-- incubus
As I chase the leaves like the words I never find ...
Posted by simulacrum on May 24 2000,22:37
Well said, brother man. My thoughts exactly. On the Microsoft bandwagon though, I have been on their side all along. I think mainly for the reason that I like to argue with all the people who supposedly hate them so much, but aren't educated on the subject enough to present a valid arguement.
Posted by xaustinx on Jun. 01 2000,01:51
Microsoft sucks. quote:
Originally posted by simulacrum:
Well said, brother man. My thoughts exactly. On the Microsoft bandwagon though, I have been on their side all along. I think mainly for the reason that I like to argue with all the people who supposedly hate them so much, but aren't educated on the subject enough to present a valid arguement.
Posted by jim on Jun. 01 2000,07:34
quote:
Originally posted by xaustinx:
Microsoft sucks.
xaustinx, I challenge you to not use anything made by Microsoft. NOTHING! ------------------
jim
< Brews and Cues >
Posted by Anztac on Jun. 01 2000,07:42
That's easy enough for me. But I don't want to. As for austin I'll bet he thinks that the only alternative to Microsoft is Mac which is why he hates microsoft so much.------------------
~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman) "I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
Posted by xaustinx on Jun. 01 2000,20:11
howabout i just continue on with my Slack 7 and corel office suite. Im perfectly happy accepting the 10fps loss in Quake3 for linux besides. pretty soon that Id software linux distro will b out anyway. The only time i use microsoft is when my packets get routed threw a NT server. quote:
Originally posted by jim:
xaustinx, I challenge you to not use anything made by Microsoft. NOTHING!
hehe i spelled linux, linix, Thanks thank god this wasn't slashdot.. i would have been banned  [This message has been edited by xaustinx (edited June 01, 2000).]
Posted by simulacrum on Jun. 01 2000,20:17
You spelled Linux wrong.
Posted by SLATE on Jun. 01 2000,23:17
hahah
huhhmm
ok
Posted by xaustinx on Jun. 02 2000,00:11
thank you, i'll go correct that, i often spell things wrong as u can see from my other posts. quote:
Originally posted by simulacrum:
You spelled Linux wrong.
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