Forum: The Classroom
Topic: learning to play the guitar...
started by: kai

Posted by kai on May 21 2001,22:26
is freakin hard. all you experienced detnet guitar people have any suggestions? websites? books? that i should take advantage of.

any help would be very much so appreciated.

note:i just got my guitar last night.

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Posted by Vigilante on May 21 2001,22:37
guitar? pfft. get a real man's instrument... the harmonica!
Posted by KL1NK on May 21 2001,22:55
"Anyone can play guitar..."
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Posted by askheaves on May 21 2001,22:59
Guitar is hard. Give up now. Don't even try it.

I don't mean to be discouraging, but I discourage you from even starting.

PS: Don't try to learn to play popular music first. It will be hard. But, when you do get into that stuff, start by learning chords and theory. Once you know about 8 chords, it's pretty easy to fake like you know what you're doing.


Posted by z3r0 c00l on May 22 2001,01:18
practice practice practice. Practice till your fingers bleed. That's what I did. Then I switched to bass.

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Posted by Rhydant on May 22 2001,03:17
Guitar is easy. just start with some Nirvana stuff. its the same thing over and over, aint it?

i can play three blind mice on the guitar. and i can play the base rythem to Smells like Teen Spirit on the bass

btw, wtf is chord theory!?

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Posted by porn_dealer on May 22 2001,04:11
Without private lessons, you're pretty much dicked in the ass IMHO, because there's no one to tell you when you're playing right and when you aren't playing right. I've been playing cello since I was 2.5 years old, and I know that without a teacher, I'd play it just like any other random instrument I pick up and dick with: crap. I wouldn't give up until you've actually experienced enough playing to know if you're going to fail...and if you get the right teacher, he/she will make sure you don't fail. Meh, that's my two cents.

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Posted by SLATE on May 22 2001,06:36
I'm teaching myself..
i just look at tabs and play them... if i don't know how to do it, i ask a friend.. its a matter of practice. Certain things are hard as fuck to do, like powerchords.. I can't seem to get my fingers to those postions.. they hurt!

good luck

PS: learn to play these songs, they are easy (the main riff at least): Guerilla Radio, Ashes in the Fall, Sabotage

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Posted by T-bone on May 22 2001,09:45
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Originally posted by SLATE:
hard as fuck to do, like powerchords.. I can't seem to get my fingers to those postions.. they hurt!

for power chords, there are only two positions, with two fingers, and all you do is move your hand to different frets...
it's really not hard...and it shouldn't hurt either...maybe you mean bar chords...'cause that requires covering all six strings, using four fingers...but still those don't even hurt...


tbone


Posted by CatKnight on May 22 2001,10:56
it takes 6-8 years to become proficient at guitar. by that i mean able to do solos (in any style), write your own songs, or be able to pick up any new song quickly. if you are serious about learning, you really have to start with jazz and blues. otherwise you'll just be fucked in a year or two from now. also, learn to read music.

i've been playing bass for 2 years now and i'm completely self taught. unfortunately i'm not all that good lately i've just been playing easy funk songs and fast songs to help strengthen my fingers so i can pick with 4 fingers. parallel univerise is fast as crap and tires out my hand really fast! anyway, private lessons do help a lot. don't give up right away, and good luck!


Posted by masher on May 22 2001,11:41
Make sure you get a real teacher. Can you read music? If you can't, make sure you learn how to. Not just tab, which is pretty limiting, but real music, the one with the treble clef and the crochets and quavers.

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Posted by Blowgoats on May 22 2001,12:58
Learn the basic chords and then everything will begin to fall in place. Buy one of those chord dictionaires and figure them out, then isten to your favorite songs, and try to figure them out. That worked for me...
Mind you I can play almost any instrument...just give me a week...Vulu can vouch for me...

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Posted by askheaves on May 22 2001,16:25
When I first picked up guitar, it was me rescuing an OLD accoustic from the garbage. I didn't have strings, so I made 2 strings from fishing line. I didn't know how to tune it, so I made that up. I didn't have a pick, so I used one of those plastic things that holds bags of bread closed. Needless to say, that didn't go so well.

Shortly after, I bought some accoustic strings for it, but the thing had a cracked neck, and the little pegs holding the strings in kept coming out and flinging my face with a taut metal guitar string. Plus, the tuning knobbies were breaking. I took this guitar to 3 lessons (classic). That was enough to teach me how to hold the guitar correctly, how to strum and finger pick, and how to use the frets right. That was invaluable.

Finally, that guitar just sort of died. Massive conjunctive failure of all subsystems. So, I didn't play for about 2 years. Then, during college, I started playing my friend's guitar, and eventually ended up commendearing the thing for a couple years. I played tab on the computer pretty much, but I learned popular chords from there. I always played accousticly on an electric.

Finally, I graduated, and moved to AZ. I bought myself that Fender Strat (for a great deal) and just fiddle around now. I'm not good, but I can make up songs with 6 chords that sound ok. I can figure out any basic chord pretty easily, and I can fake like I know what I'm doing.

Alright... enough of that boring stuff. The point is that lessons would help out greatly. I got amazing benefit out of 3 lessons, and it would have been a whole lot better if I could have stuck with it. The reason I have any glimmer of hope without them is because I played French Horn for 9 years or so, so I have a pretty decent handle on how music works, why chords sound good, whatever.

The toughest stumbling block is being able to know what sound your instrument is going to make before it makes it, and being able to choose what sounds you want to come out of it.


Posted by beuges on May 22 2001,17:08
Hey, I learned to play the guitar off the net (whether I play well or not is debatable, tho). All I did was go to < www.olga.net > and find some songs with chords, then learnt to play the chords, and took it from there. I started playing some time in 1998, now I consider myself to be not too shabby. All you gotta do is get a chord chart, which you can get from most tab sites, and then go for it from there, search for chords or tab for songs that you like (don't try to start with Stairway to Heaven or stuff like that tho) and knock yourself out
Posted by DeadAnztac on May 22 2001,21:50
heheh, I started playing piano at 4 and played until I was 11. I stopped then 'cause I wasn't really practicing and I didn't find it interesting. The last major song I could play was Fur Elise (I learned Pacabels Canon before). Anyways recently (like 3 or 4 weeks ago) I started piano lessons again. Yay! It's funny though, I didn't play piano AT ALL for 3 years, then I sat down and just played it (like I could still play Fur Elise well.) My fingers just KNEW where to go =)

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Posted by LiNeY on May 26 2001,15:32
Basically, playing guitar is rather easy. I guess you should figure out what you wanna play, and depending on that proceed with your learning.

If you wanna play just for fun, teaching yourself is more or less sufficient, in case you can't figure stuff out by yourself, you can always ask a friend. That system worked for me quite well some years ago, my playing sounds about like I know what I'm doing and I can accompany most "normal" songs, i.e. with not too many chords or complicated pickings. This system is supposed to work for tab and solos too, there's lots of help on the net, for example on < www.harmony-central.com > (formerly known as olga.com) - though I think here lessons might be really helpful at least in the beginning.

If you're planning anything like really big self-written solos, classical or flamenco stuff (listen to Paco de Lucia!), take lessons at once! Once you're started in that self-teaching routine, lessons won't help you much because you're already too used to your mistakes. Anyway I think in the beginning some lessons as to holding the guitar, basic notation/tab reading, picking etc. should be fine, especially if you never played an instrument before.

And one last thing: No matter what you do, you have to know your chord theory and stuff. For many people I know this is the hardest thing about music, but it is REALLY helpful (thanks to my piano teacher for forcing me to learn it) because you can figure stuff much quicker. Start with the simplest basics and keep away from jazz until you feel really secure with the basics because jazz will only seem freaky and scary to you if you're not used to it.

Good luck!

PS: Oh and I know this is going to get me flames... but 1960's stuff like Bob Dylan and Donovan songs are easy to begin with (they usually consist of just 3 or 4 chords). Same for country songs... okay, I stop before you totally flame me.


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