i'm sorry 4 wasting ur time, but i had to get that off my chest, becuz i'm starting to get pissed...
so u ppl can post ur arguements here, and any other things u wanna put

silver

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silver

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"You would be a good lawyer"
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silver

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"You would be a good lawyer"
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god has a HARD ON for marines - Full Metal Jacket

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Originally posted by SiLVeR54:
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but not doing pot shows self respect, self responsiblity and self disipline.

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Exactly.
Aside from that a lot of other things can make you feel really great. I haven't smoked pot and I don't know how it feels, but on the other hand- I wouldn't need to feel that great at all- my life is fine- and if it's not I MAKE it feel good. If you get the sense of self (3 things), and you like your life and are content- and you really don't want to get the least bit involved with the legal issues around the subject (no matter how small) - then you realy don't need to be smoking pot at all.

And let's not forget how some peoples' faces get a little bit deformed after a few trips, and a lot after a good year of trips, and the examples I already told you of before.

Some people smoke it for social acceptance and I believe that to be the most pathetic of all. That's just the worst. Those people want to be in the crowd or something, or really feel bigger than they are, or for them, it's a form of "instant maturity".

And then again, for some, like damien said, just really feels that great.

</lecture? who knows>

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Originally posted by SiLVeR54:
well u know,
ppl do it to 'feel good', when its slowly killing them

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Everything is slowly killing people; BREATHING in this rat-hole of a city that I live in is slowly killing me. If you really want to attack something then go after something like cigarettes, because the additive power of nicotine is second only to HEROIN (or so I’ve heard. Also, please don’t go after cigarettes, because many people use them and that’s their choice, not anyone else’s.). Pot is no different then alcohol, except that where one is legal the other is not. BTW, please don’t attack alcohol, as you very well may become the first person whom I get in a flame war with out of my 200+ posts.

Basically what I am trying to say is “why does it matter??” Should these people no longer be your friends because they smoke pot? Nothing has changed about them since before you knew; the only thing that has changed is your knowledge. I respect the fact that you don’t want to do drugs, but I don’t think you should look down on other people for doing them.

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Originally posted by SiLVeR54:
they get addicted, and then their lives get totally messed up.. yes i know that doesn't happen very often..

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no. and for the people who DO get messed up, it would've been something else... i'd go so far as to say in a lot of cases pot keeps people from doing something even MORE destructive. I know that's true in my case. I would've killed myself by now if I didn't have the release marijuana give me. As for being "no worse" than alcohol, actually, imho alcohol is a lot worse. Marijuana relaxes you and allows your mind to wander off into weird spaces you wouldn't usually explore. Alcohol just shuts your brain off (no, blain, I am NOT attacking alcohol... I enjoy it also, in moderation. At the moment I have REAL, distilled absinthe... that should provide my street cred :^) )

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but not doing pot shows self respect, self responsiblity and self disipline.

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you have have those three and still smoke pot, my friend!!! Smoking pot is not a license to absolve yourself of all responsibility. It's just a way of relaxing for a few hours, and trust me - people NEED to relax to be responsible, and quite often at that. If you disagree, think about how IRRESPONSIBLE people are when they have a mental breakdown!

<flame retardant>all I mean by "people are irresponsible when they have a mental breakdown" is that when you break down, you can't fulfill your RESPONSIBILITIES. It is in no way meant to be a perjorative statement. Thank you.</flame retardant>

edit : sprayed some flame retardant on this thing.

This message has been edited by damien_s_lucifer on April 08, 2001 at 02:41 AM

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I respect the fact that you don’t want to do drugs, but I don’t think you should look down on other people for doing them.

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too true, except for the respect thing. people who have never done drugs, yet diss them anyway, deserve no respect in that regard.

you have not tried it, yet you claim that you can pass judgement on it, and then expect respect for being 'strong willed' or something. yeah, nice

<logic>
cigarettes are more addictive, more likely to kill me, or cause some disease.
where as pot will not
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If I found my kids smoking cigerettes, I'd probably punish them. If I found 'em smoking pot or something, I'd just tell them not to smoke to much and don't become a burnout.

The only reason weed is illegal is because the government can't keep a handle on it, which means they can't tax it. If someone could figure out a system where they could tax it, purpose that system, within 3 years I bet Mary J. would be legal. That's why they made alcohol legal after prohibition.

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silver

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Originally posted by fatbitch:
too true, except for the respect thing. people who have never done drugs, yet diss them anyway, deserve no respect in that regard.

you have not tried it, yet you claim that you can pass judgement on it, and then expect respect for being 'strong willed' or something. yeah, nice

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well i've never shot someone before does me not tryin that mean i cant have a valid opinion on it. you see you people who come out with THAT crap are the ones who piss ME off

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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:

you see you people who come out with THAT crap are the ones who piss ME off

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Maybe if, like, 50\% of people had tried shooting somebody once, then it would be different and an almost accurate analogy... or if shooting people didn't harm them... kind of like me smoking a bowl doesn't harm anybody.

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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:

well i've never shot someone before does me not tryin that mean i cant have a valid opinion on it. you see you people who come out with THAT crap are the ones who piss ME off

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i think its very hard to find a specific point to draw the line. i cant even begin to compare smoking something (that is mostly only looked down upon because its illegal, and all the needless propaganda bullshit they shove down your throats in school) and taking someones life. so i think that this isnt a valid analogy at all. i think that if you havent tried it, you have no room to put your two cents in.

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This message has been edited by melk0r on April 08, 2001 at 06:24 PM

One guy is doing it every friday (jason), his face is always flushed red during class.. another will do it as often as he can (marcus), and more examples on the way as I question this .. "matter" some more.

And btw, weed does a TINY, BIT of neurological damage. Not much but still.. for me everybit just somehow counts.

And like I said before, I'd rather do something which isn't looked down upon and is legal which is stress relieving or fun, or just lets me have a good time, than something that is?

And I have a lot of respect for the people that do smoke weed, and I'm not trying to convince anyone here not to- just giving you all my reasons.

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Originally posted by askheaves:
Maybe if, like, 50\% of people had tried shooting somebody once...

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Wouldn't that mean that the 50\% of the worlds populace would be dead? I think your right, I think if 50\% of the people in the world shot somone we'd all (who were still alive) would have a different perspective on guns...

sorry that just made me laugh

silver

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THATS RIGHT! its like 12:00 here (eastern), and yeah.. this is off topic...

ok, so i stretched it a bit, i don't HATE ppl who smoke weed, i'm friends with alot of 'em.. i just don't like it, i'm against it, and i know i haven't smoked it.. but if i did, what would i have to prove?
there's too many ppl at my skool who smoke it, its like a growing fan club! and person after person in my group of friends in caving in..
i've had my friends swear on their LIVES that they won't start, and they do..
its mentally straining, and i really don't wanna continue, cuz i know i'm out numbered.

silver

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"You would be a good lawyer"
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This message has been edited by SiLVeR54 on April 08, 2001 at 08:51 PM

I SWEAR I WILL NEVER SMOKE WEED BLAH BLAH BLAH.

I could actually care less! But the way things are for me now, I can't see myself smoking weed.

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Originally posted by me :
you have have those three and still smoke pot, my friend!!!

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please insert the word "can" in between "you have." Then it will make sense. Thank you.

now then... I was one of those who repeatedly said "I WILL NEVER SMOKE WEED, blah blah blah." I lectured people on the evils of drugs and made a big ordeal about how I didn't NEED to get high, drugs messed people up, etc.

Then, when I was 20, curiosity got the better of me. I smoked it. And I liked it. So I kept smoking it. Now, seven years later, I find myself a person who has a good job, who takes care of his responsibilities, who is motivated enough to not only work but always have a few side projects going on - and who smokes a bowl every night to relax.

Obviously, marijuana isn't much of a life-wrecking drug.

I'm 22 years old. I am an engineer. I work 50 hours a week. I go to the gun club every wednesday, and about every other weekend. I enjoy playing video games. I like movies. I like music. I have about a million things that I like to do. I have come to the determination, after 4 years of hell that I paid tuition to, that I would never be bored again. I would always have something to do.

So, that's a little about myself. I don't need to smoke Marijuana. Hell, I can't even spell it. But I do... occasionally... when I feel like it. I have no addiction to it. There's no regularity to it. It's just another thing that I can do for recreation.

The first time I smoked it was my junior year of college. I found it intreging. I knew my roommate smoked it, so I asked him to bring some by sometime, and he did. I did it about a dozen more times during school, and then I quit in December of my senior year (interviews, drug tests, etc). I didn't smoke any weed for a whole year (one day short), and I've been doing it occasionally since.

So, that's more about myself you don't care. But, it illustrates that it has not fucked up my life. It never was a large part of my life... because it doesn't have to be. You can do it once, and that's it for lifetime. You can never do it. You can make it the only thing in your life. It's up to you. Smoking once is not a death sentance.

Now, just as fatbitch and others have said, you can not judge people for it. You can make your choices for whatever reasons you want, but you have no right to judge people for it. You can't dislike them for that sole reason. Not until you get the facts... which you obviously don't have.

When I was in high school, I never thought I would smoke anything. I loosened up a lot when I got to college. I figured out that these things aren't a death sentance. I've had my experiences, and I've had my fun, and it's lead to me being a rather normal human being, and I'm happy with my life.

Marijuana has no physically addicting properties. Thank you, have a nice day.

i find it hard to respect a person for who they are if they can't respect me for who i am.

good for you solid and silver, don't smoke it, and that is from a true pothead. if you don't want to then don't. i don't want to stick a needle in my arm so i don't do herion, i don't want to walk around tweaking all the time so i don't do meth or crack. do what you want let your friends do what they want and just have fun, thats what it is all about.

solid, i think your a bit misinformed about how the body/face reacts to drugs. they don't get all fucked up from triping or smoking pot (those are the only 2 i can speak about for sure) weed= red eyes, or glossy eyes, acid= big round pupils, no skin falling off (atleast non after the trip ) i would like to see where that came from (if it is from the government don't even bother, i don't care what they have to say (until they can quite lieing about everything)

silv

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god has a HARD ON for marines - Full Metal Jacket

"woa man! wtf r u saying? weed rules, etc etc etc.."

"weed is bad, etc etc etc.. "

yo thats all i gotta say.. no one else wants to hear me bitch about this, so i'm gonna go take a piss, and a drug test.. (sumthing most of u guyz CAN'T DO legally )

u know i'm j/k, but still... i gotta take a piss, why am i still typing?

silver

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"You would be a good lawyer"
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This message has been edited by SiLVeR54 on April 09, 2001 at 02:32 PM

I would agree that if you're still in high school, it's probably not the time to start messing around with this stuff. Firstly, you have some brain and body development left. Secondly, due to parental and other influence, you're more likely to put yourself in unsafe environments in order to do this stuff.

College is a different story. It's one hell of a time because you are allowed to make your own decisions, and weigh them on the basis of consequences, not authoritative reign. I wouldn't say never at this point. You'll find a lot of people who said 'never' here, and they have no problem saying they were wrong... and they aren't worse people because of it.

Weed does not really change a user outside of the obvious. For example, if you are an intelligent person, weed will make you an intelligent stoner. Conversely, if you are dumb, then weed will make you a dumb stoner.

It helps me relax. I don't really drink anymore. With the exception of caffeinated beverages (Red Bull) and the occasional analgesic, there is no other drug I use with any pattern of regularity. The comfort, enjoyment, and stress relief I get from weed negates any of the "detrimental" side effects. In other words, the nerve-racking clusterfuck that is my daily life takes far more of a toll on my health than weed does...and if I can transcend all of that misery by kicking off my shoes, getting lit, and working on something creative (film, music, photography, prose, geek stuff, drawing, cg, reading, painting, etc.), then that's what I'll be doing during my spare time. Seeing how my goal in life is founded in making art - specifically computer-integrated film and music - I am beginning to find a path of happiness on which marijuana abundantly grows.

I appreciate the plant for being as natural as any other living organism on this planet, and while I don't regard that fact as a justification for use, it does lead me to believe that marijuana may be less injurious than alcohol and other synthetic intoxicants. Perhaps it was even put here for a reason? I'm not sure, but I think when used correctly, weed can be very beneficial for the body and mind.

I despise people who say "420" and have stickers/clothing that demonstrates they like weed.

I don't read High Times.

My bong doesn't have a name.

I don't like to be around people when I'm high...perhaps a few select friends, but being alone (while working on my projects) is preferred.

I find weed helps my creativity flow, and allows me to relax to a point wherein I can better concentrate on my intellectual goals.

Frankly, I don't give a shit what other people think. I don't want to influence others to try it. I don't care if others try it. I don't care what label I have now garnered for myself. However, I firmly believe that any person who attempts to govern me with personal values contradictory to my own is a tyrant...and thus, my enemy.

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Originally posted by askheaves:
I would agree that if you're still in high school, it's probably not the time to start messing around with this stuff. Firstly, you have some brain and body development left...

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I think that's what I must've meant when I talked about the screwed up faces- after about a year (starting at grade 8 junior high) Marcus looked .. ok so that guy always looks gay, but still- he looked fine, and now the texture on his face is a bit more rough, different eyes, a lil different hair (then again, maybe not so much for the hair).

Theres another example, but I'm afraid it just might be my own little paranoia.