ok heres the deal, in my car i have 4" speakers in the front, and 6"'s in the back shelf. what i want to do is get really good speakers btu not modify my car at all, so get like the absolute top of the line, or close to, 4" and 6" speakers, with an amp that will suffice

so i went looking on the net, and found what looked to be exactly what i was looking for, 150W 2way 4" kenwoods (30WRMS i think), and 200W 3way 6" kenwood (50WRMS), and for a reasonable price too.

i then went to a car audio shop and had a long chat with a guy there, who said that 6" 3ways were practically a waste of money over 2way's, and he recommended this set of 120W (30 RMS) 6"'s and 60W (15 RMS) 4inchers. with a 90W 2 channel amp.

the speakers he reccommended to me were all less than what i had walked in there expecting to pay, so that makes me think that the guy i spoke to knows what he was talking about, if he was actually trying to sell me DOWN

basically what i want is to be able to have REALLY FUCKING LOUD music in my car, and still have it clear and not fucked up. disregarding bass (i'll get subs to do that) i just want really high quality, loud music. is the combo i was reccommended a good one do you think? as usual, any advice is more than appreciated

btw running off a 4x45W Clarion deck

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This message has been edited by CatKnight on April 07, 2001 at 03:00 PM

BTW, I used to work in sales and if I thought that the customer wasn’t interested or couldn’t afford the system that I WANTED to sell them I wold talk them down to something that was a sure buy. I absolutely HATED myself for doing shit like that, but the store I worked for (Sears) didn’t give me any choice (if I wanted to make more then Ů.00 per hour,) that's the reason I quit working there. The point I am trying to make is DON’T TRUST SALESPEOPLE, regardless of what they are trying to sell you.

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I just bought a breathalyzer;
My current BAC is: 0.19 – way too drunk to drive.

I would spend some bucks and get a good 4 channel MTX amp, RockfordFosgate,or Infinity or something, and then get some descent speakers.
I wouldn't consider Kenwood descent either

Infinity Kappas are great speakers, the Kenwood excelons are good, and there are many others.

You pretty much get what you pay for, you know? How much do you have to spend?

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i am willing to spend quite a bit, if i know they will last me for a long time and i wont be dissatisfied with them you know?

i dont know what the price difference between speakers in the US and in Australia are, but i would probably be looking at spending around 軸-700 (800 MAX) on speakers + amp. remember the au dollar is worth half of the us dollar so in your terms im looking at 跌-350, 400 max

can i get something really fucken decent with that amount of money?

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I just bought a breathalyzer;
My current BAC is: 0.25 – goddamn, i'm drunk

On the other hand I have heard 35W (ish) Sony’s, Kenwood’s, and Pioneers, and I wasn’t overly impressed with them. All that I'm saying is that if I were buying speakers, and money wasn’t a huge object, I would go for something a little better.

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I just bought a breathalyzer;
My current BAC is: 0.19 – I'M SOBER! WEEE!!

and i AM getting subwoofers aswell, just not yet. don't just read half of my posts

but like i said, at the moment, im not looking for bass, or subwoofers. i am looking for volume and clarity. i will get subs later, but right now all i want is some speakers. hmm, i wish i could try a whole system out in my car without buying it first!

tell me what you think guys, thanks catknight for the link

they are quite a lot more expensive than what i was planning on (贶US) but they sound like the king shit daddy of 6" speakers... hmm

and these for 4"ers
< http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-wM3R7YDpqnC/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=3&g=400&I=108421I&o=M&a=1 >

what do you guys think?

edit: oh yeah, and even if you aren't looking for bass, if you totally ignore this crucial compontent nothing will sound good at loud volumes. if you don't want to spend money on a subwoofer, or even a cheap amp (decent ones start as low as 贄 i think), then you need to get top-of-the-line 2-way 6"ers that have really good bass response.

This message has been edited by CatKnight on April 08, 2001 at 12:50 AM

They problem with getting awesome speakers and an average amp is the fact that what kills/blows speakers 99\% of the time is NOT running them at over their rated power handling, it's running them under their power rating, but sending them a drity, clipped signal from a marginal amp.

For example, I have 3way Inifinity Kappa 6 1/2s in my doors, and I was powering them with a 35x4 Kenwood amp. After about 1 or 2 weeks, I noticed the tweeters were both blown.. because this is a pair of 120 dollar speakers I was understandably pissed

So I bought a 25x4 MTX amp off my friend, and it sounds soooo much better, and has such a cleaner signal I'm amazed.

Good companies like MTX really underrate thier equiment. In fact when you get an MTX they send a spec-sheet that has all the hand-tested specs for the actual amplifier you bought. usually a 25x4 amp will actually put out closer to 40 or 50 x4.

And when you buy garbage like Jensen or Kenwood, the actual rating on a 50x4 amp will be more like 20 or 25 x 4 with a lot of distortion.

I would recommend coughing up a bit of cash and getting an amp such as this: < http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-pR9mQ3UdpI8/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=3&g=120&I=236T4244&o=&a=0 >

related side note: I heard last year that a bunch of Rockford Forsgate's best amp engineers quit and went to work at MTX.

As for speakers, you couldn't go wrong with the ones CatKnight suggested!

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and catknight, they look like pretty nice speakers... i'll have to see if i can find them in australia

thanks guys, those last 2 posts were especially helpful today im gonna go around to some more car audio shops and see what they have

would they be at the same standard as the 6"ers? i just found them browsing the jbl site thats all

if you can try to get the same brand and similar model for the front and rear speakers. it will sound better.

for 4":

quote:

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Clarion SRR 1025 (sorry no link) • 10 cm MIPP Cone Woofer • 4 cm Metallized PEI Cone Tweeter • Heat Resistant Voice Coil • Digital Audio Ready • 100 W Music Peak Power • Frequency Response: 45 - 25,000 Hz • Efficiency 90 dB/W/m

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for 6":
< http://www.car.pioneeraus.com.au/catalogue_99-00/product_speakers/ts_a1695.htm >

quote:

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Pionner TSA 1695

360° Rotatable Compression Horn Tweeter
Impedance : 4 Ohm
180 Watts Max. Power Handling
f0 (Lowest Resonant Frequency) : 66 Hz.
50 Watts Nominal Rating
Crossover Frequency : 4,300 Hz
Frequency Response : 30 – 32,000 Hz.

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For amp:

quote:

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Schneider (don't know about spelling??) SPA 9704.

couldnt find a site for this one, but its 150Wx4, 90WRMS (from memory). this one is good cause when i get a subwoofer i can just run it off this amp without buying another

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The prices are:

SRR 1025 - 贎
TSA 1695 - 赣
SPA 9704 - 蹢

total of - 输, said he would give the lot to me for 轜

halve that for currency exchange and that makes 跾USD for the lot. sounds like a pretty farken mad deal to me, i had a listen to the 6"ers in the shop and they sound incredible even run without an amp. what do you think catknight? blain? aventari?

anyway, i suggest you check out these speakers instead:
< http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-wH9xEq7uMMv/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=3&g=400&I=109P6 32&o=&a= >
< http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-wH9xEq7uMMv/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=3&g=400&I=109P6 32&o=&a= >

here's a good cheap amp for 4 channels:
< http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-REXi1QNPIa6/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=3&g=120&I=489C L440&o=&a= >

This message has been edited by CatKnight on April 08, 2001 at 12:30 PM

and what do you mean by "don't need all those components"?

this is so frustrating. everyone has different opinions and their favourite brand etc. would you be able to find a better setup, with an amp that would run a subwoofer aswell for 跾? i know i couldn't

You wont be happy with it, trust me. I have no problem with the speakers though. Those look descent, and as long as you drive them with a clean good amp, it would sound great IMHO.

Dont be fooled by the big wattage numbers that the marketing whores throw around, it's easy to get 100 watts RMS when you have massive distortion--enough to destroy your speakers. Go with a reputable good quality amp that wont clip and sound like shit and you wont be sorry.

I know it sucks, but youll have to spend some cash to get one.
Ebay has some good deals, check this!:
< http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228082059 >

here's the amp i have, and i'm really happy w/ it: < http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227165065 >

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the clarions only have a peak power rating listed, and it's 100 W. that's pretty low. i'd guess that the RMS is like 20. the power rating for the pioneers seems ok, but you dont need all those components, and i highly doubt the accuracy of those freq specs.

as for the amp, it probably sounds like crap, and it will way overdrive your front speakers. you will get mad distortion. bad bad. find a new car audio dealer

< http://www.carreview.com/reviews/index_car_audio.shtml >

and a 200x4 amp. though that amp on ebay look spretty fuckin fine :)