Forum: The Classroom
Topic: Engine modifications
started by: Greasemonk

Posted by Greasemonk on Nov. 06 2001,16:14
I have a V6 3800 Series II engine in my monte carlo SS 2000. Does anyone know what I can do to boost horsepower and performance?

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Posted by hal0 on Nov. 06 2001,16:17
no problem. drop in a v8.

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Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Nov. 06 2001,18:30
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Originally posted by askheaves:
Perhaps put a carb in it?

BAD ASKHEAVES.
NO COOKIE.

Why would you trade sequetial fuel injection for a passive fuel delivery system?

3 words for you.
Centrifugal Super Charger.

You get the turbocharger style boost with out all the extra crap it takes to keep a turbo happy.

End result ~񘈨. You put it on and leave it alone. No maintenence. 50\% increase in power. More if you add an intercooler.

I'd call < here > first and then < here >.

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This message has been edited by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on November 07, 2001 at 01:31 PM


Posted by whiskey@throttle on Nov. 06 2001,18:48
quote:
Originally posted by aventari:
how fast you can go is a direct correllation to how much money you are willing to spend.


Interestingly enough, the same holds true for prostitutes.


Posted by DeadAnztac on Nov. 06 2001,18:52
First thing you always do: Change the oil, replace the spark plugs/wires, do timing and compression checks, replace your belts, generally put your engine in top condition. After that is freeing up the airflow to your car (New intake filter, new intake, muffler, cat back system, downpipe, etc.). Not only does that help a stock engine, but it's required to go turbo, and it's pretty independent of the engine, in case you want to swap out the engine later. Though I wouldn't go all out on that unless you want to go all the way with your engine later. Then you can consider a turbo, also very varient on what you want the car to do. But you can get into that later, that's a really expensive upgrade from a stock car. After that, fuel injectors, fuel lines, modified ECU, redone intake/exsaust manifolds, redone cams. And more. I don't know if you were looking for like a magic bullet or something...

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Posted by StreetRaver on Nov. 06 2001,19:15
Take A look at my Cars And Stereo thread. Its got alot of your engine upgrade ideas.

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Posted by aventari on Nov. 07 2001,05:22
how fast you can go is a direct correllation to how much money you are willing to spend.

My advice to you is to sell it and buy a car that's designed with performance in mind. Modifying a car like that is a receipe for frustration and lots of wated time and money. Hardly anyone makes performance parts for it either.

You could buy a late model Supra twin-turbo, a Miata, a VW Corrado, an older M3, a Corvette, RX-7 or many many other cars for less than what you could sell the Montecarlo for. They would also be a lot better investment considering your goal, and a hell of a lot more fun to drive. But what exactly do you want out of the car?

The basic performance mods go like this:

2hp, ุ, K&N filter and/or intake. I like to make my own cold-air intake with dryer hose.
4hp, 趚, cat-back exhaust system
5hp, 贄?, performance chip (if available)
8hp, 赨, headers
cam, underdrive pulleys, intake p&p, bump compression up, etc etc there's a lot you can do, but intake and exhaust are what you need first

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Posted by StreetRaver on Nov. 07 2001,05:36
Not that anyone would read this, but. If you want to do simple modifications on your car i would start with a simple higher air intakes to the engine. Then i would probly have a custom ship made for higher performance and speed. but for the horsepower i would get a CD-ROM and up the HP after you put the ship in. but thats what I think....

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Posted by askheaves on Nov. 07 2001,05:45
As far as I've heard, the monty's and impalas have been using pretty much the same mount points for many many years. So, like, you could probably find an old ass turbo for some 1970's impala and throw it in there. Perhaps put a carb in it? I don't know. I know computers.
Posted by Nikita on Nov. 07 2001,05:51
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Posted by just_dave on Nov. 07 2001,22:49
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Originally posted by StreetRaver:
i would get a CD-ROM and up the HP after you put the ship in. but thats what I think....

I keep hearing about this cd-rom, but it makes no sense unless its a music cd. I mean a cdrom in genreal cant up the HP, it can be used via something to reprogram the chip or "ship" as he says but its a long shot.

Edit: Stupid Spelling... something is probablly still wrong

This message has been edited by just_dave on November 08, 2001 at 05:50 PM


Posted by Observer on Nov. 08 2001,00:43
He made the same comment in Cars & Stereos. There was much laughing. Possibly referring to upgrading the computer chip with an EPROM burner.

Someone care to explain to the nice folks here what upgrading the chip can and can't do?

edit: chip/ship, had a professor who pronounced "chip" that way, and then wrote it on handouts as "ship"

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This message has been edited by Observer on November 08, 2001 at 07:44 PM


Posted by veistran on Nov. 08 2001,02:46
simple version...

it can: give some HP gains by altering certain characteristics of how the engine operates.

it alone can't: magically double your HP, brush your teeth, make your bed, or turn your rice rocket into a real speed demon

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Posted by aventari on Nov. 08 2001,04:35
Id like to add that you should learn something about cars and their control systems before you start upgrading and modifying your car.

Don't go into a muffler shop and say "These guys on the internet told me to get a good exhaust, can I have one 'to go' please?"


[edit- yeah this sounds elitist, sorry ]
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This message has been edited by aventari on November 08, 2001 at 11:36 PM


Posted by DeadAnztac on Nov. 08 2001,09:24
The only thing it could reprogram of importance would be the ECU, which changes the air to fuel ratio. The only thing it can do is make more feul go into your engine, which will add HP, but it will not add *that* much.

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Posted by Greasemonk on Nov. 08 2001,10:08
quote:
Originally posted by Observer:
He made the same comment in Cars & Stereos. There was much laughing. Possibly referring to upgrading the computer chip with an EPROM burner.

Someone care to explain to the nice folks here what upgrading the chip can and can't do?

edit: chip/ship, had a professor who pronounced "chip" that way, and then wrote it on handouts as "ship"


I wonder if this CD-ROM shit is smoke blown up yuppies asses with 16 year olds who want to make their Hondas faster. The dad dishes out the money and when the car pulls out of the garage it sounds louder so the kid thinks its faster.

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Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Nov. 08 2001,11:05
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Originally posted by DeadAnztac:
The only thing it can do is make more feul go into your engine, which will add HP, but it will not add *that* much.


But unless youve modified your intake and exhaust to allow more air to flow through adding more fuel only makes you run rich(ie too much fuel) and not all of it burns and fucks up your gas milage and your catalytic converter. Not to mention that little thing called emissions.

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Posted by Greasemonk on Nov. 08 2001,11:37
A guy here has a really sweet Vette. He has no mufflers. Straight pipe with just catalytic converter. It looks wild becase he has 2 kinda big chrome pipe coming out towards the middle instead of over on the sides. It sounds nice, he also has some engine modifications too...

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Posted by miNus on Nov. 08 2001,14:54
BAD L33T_h4x0r_d00d.
NO COOKIE.

First of all, depending on the engine, and the supercharger, superchargers are "instantaneous", whereas a single turbo will either lag low end or suck ass high end.

Second, Vortech s/c's are a twin screw design, not a centrifugal design. Less noise, more HP. You might want to get an intercooler added if you go the Vortech route though, I think ATI's come with one.


Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Nov. 08 2001,16:19
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Originally posted by miNus:
You might want to get an intercooler added if you go the Vortech route though, I think ATI's come with one.

They are an option. I had to pay extra for mine.

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