Topic: Videogame violence?
started by: j0eSmith
Suck it up, ass faces!
< http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/youthviolence/sgreport/ >
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When my flying days are over, and my death has come to pass
I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole damn world can kiss my ass
If you ask me, the government should produce an insanely violent video game/rock star/tv show/series of movies that way all the idiots go out and stab each other with gerbel skeletons until they all die, so the people with an inteligence greater then a monkey in a ugly java applet that is shocked "for money" won't have to deal with the dumb asses any more... and if they can catch a few people in the act before they actually kill/get killed, they should put a fake VR helmet on their head, send them to Iraq, and tell them they're on a mission to kill a over powering government figure that won't let "Rebel forces" into their "food storage units" so they can make sure they're all getting food... or something...
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this week, it's video games and marilyn manson. next week, next year, next month, there will be a new scapegoat.
heh. blame canada. read the lyrics sometime, it's actually an impressive commentary on the desire to find a blame-monkey somewhere.
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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost
people who tell me that violent video games makes me violent!
VIOLENT VIOLENT VIOLENT!
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Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. The thing I hate most is that I didn't have a better idea.
*clears throat*
Time's have changed
Our kids are getting worse
They won't obey their parents
They just want to fart and curse!
Should we blame the government?
Or blame society?
Or should we blame the images on TV?
Heck NO, blame Canada
Blame Canada
With all their beady little eyes
And flapping heads so full of lies
Blame Canada
Blame Canada
We need to form a full assault
It's Canada's fault!
Don't blame me
For my son Stan
He saw the darn cartoon
And now he's off to join the clan!
And my boy Eric once
Had my picture on his shelf
But now when I see him he tells me to fuck myself!
Well, blame Canada
Blame Canada
It seems that everything's gone wrong
Since Canada came along
Blame Canada
Blame Canada
There not even a real country anyway
My son could've been a doctor or a lawyer it's true
Instead he burned up like a piggy on a bar-b-q
Should we blame the matches?
Should we blame the fire?
Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?
Heck no!
Blame Canada
Blame Canada
With all their hockey hubabaloo
And that bitch Anne Murray too
Blame Canada
Shame on Canada
The smut we must stop
The trash we must smash
Laughter and fun
must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming us
thank you, thank you.
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Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. The thing I hate most is that I didn't have a better idea.
This message has been edited by Rhydant on February 09, 2001 at 07:21 PM
er, sorry.
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Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. The thing I hate most is that I didn't have a better idea.
And I hate hockey.
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Ok whatever kuru's right. It's the whole scapegoat thing.
And the lyrics to Blame Canada were posted in one of the other threads bitching about what the government has to say on videogame violence.
PersonGuy, hook us up with a link to all of those? I'm too tired right now to look.
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A good programmer is someone who looks both ways on a one-way street
As far as video game violence... I think humans are INATELY violent. It's in our biology. However, I do buy into video games making people "more effective killers." Meaning: if I had never played a first-person-shooter, going on a rampage would be harder for me. I noticed this at West World in Disney World where I can now EASILY blast everything without even sighting it! I just aim from my hip! I've just become in general more familure with guns. But again, even if violent VGs didn't exist, stupid people could get the info and practice elsewhere... just not as quickly or as cheap.
My point: I agree with the ratings system, and I think parents should take much more heed of it. Some children with be fine with some games, while some moron kids will just imitate their heros to death.
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As far as the "innately violent" part of humans - I can't agree more. Before my first game of Doom (what a rush!), I was already violent. It's not videogames that make me good at "instinctive killing", it's instinct that makes me good at videogame killing. The first time I picked up a gun, I had a lethally precise shot & reflexes like a praying mantis. These instincts/reflexes were with me LONG before violent games, so don't try blaming it on that.
I've had enough of people blaming video games for all the evil in the world. It's not healthy to bottle up aggression - and a local arcade is a GREAT way to blow off some steam. Now if you'll excuse me, there's a couple terrorists that need .50 cal holes in their heads.
Stomper
the dude said something like 'when man no longer needs to kill to eat, he turns his violence upon man'
little bit of paraphrasing there.
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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost
I say we all need to rotate through a butchary to release a little tention... or I preffer just to pump the Russians with my PC-P90. 
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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost
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Originally posted by The_Stomper:
If you can't tell the difference between fantasy & reality, you shouldn't be playing the damn games.
If you can't tell the difference between reality and gaming, then it's a damned good game.
Find out as much as you can about the game "Majestic" if you haven't read about it yet. That game is going to be...well, it will be interesting. That's for certain. Check PC Gamer.
Also, someone tell me how to use the quote feature, please. :-P
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Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. The thing I hate most is that I didn't have a better idea.
I spent 1988 through 90 in panama. Lots of violence there that i was involved in.
This does not make me want to go shoot people.
I am sniper trained. went to school for it. Used it in combat.
This does not make me want to go shoot people.
I have shot people, up close and at long range. It did not bother me at all. it was a job i was paid to do.
I still dont want to go shoot people.
I have played every FPS game that has come along.
Still not wanting to go shoot people.
I run into one IDIOT in the course of a day and i want to shoot him and remove the rest of his family from the gene pool.
My point? Get rid of all the idiots in the world and you wont have to worry about people making such stupid statements as "vidio games cause violence".
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WHOOPING ASS, although solidly criticized by politicians and overprotective mothers everywhere, is a good thing. If the cavemen had used their unique talents to foster a nurturing and non-competitive environment the planet would be run by leopards
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Originally posted by askheaves:
You're my hero, Wolfguard.
Temporarily, ditto.
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OLD POST by askheaves:
You are a personal hero of mine (PG).
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Originally posted by askheaves:
You're my hero, Wolfguard.
Dammit!
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But if i hear from one more highschool kid
"You were in panama? I just read about that in my history book!"
I think i will snap... you have no idea how that makes me feel.
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WHOOPING ASS, although solidly criticized by politicians and overprotective mothers everywhere, is a good thing. If the cavemen had used their unique talents to foster a nurturing and non-competitive environment the planet would be run by leopards
< TeamWolfguard.com >
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfguard:
I just read about that in my history book!
what if i had to ask what happened
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What if there were no hypothetical questions?
A gamer who's going to (partially) stick up for the VG cause violence argument.
First off the problems are not as simple and direct as most gamers like to pretend the arguments suggest. It's not like I play doom and all of a sudden I have an urge to grab a chainsaw and carve someone up. By increasing the overall violent media content in my life I become (quite unconsciously) desensitized to it. The greater exposure you have to a) the visual/audio sensory input of seeing/hearing things die (real or not), the less uncomfortable (or more comfortable) you become with seeing it again and again and again (if you don't believe this just show an incredibly gory picture to two people, one who's watched a ton of gory movies, and one who's lived a totally sheltered life). But on a more significant level, everybody (to some degree) accepts the status quo (from now on to be refered to as SQ) as basically "okay", on a subconscious level. If you see a lot of violence around you (from media and/or reality) you gradually believe (subconsciously) more and more that violence is "okay". Again, it's not as simple and direct as most gamers pretend the argument suggests. The effects of violent-content saturation are extremely subtle. To really see the difference, you need the effects magnified. It's not just playing violent VGs, but a combination of constantly playing hyper-violent VGs, hyper-violent movies, greater portrayal of real-life violence on the news and a reduction of direct parental teaching to influence a negative feeling towards violence.
All of these elements, though individually insignificant, add up to an increased desensatization to violence. Now while this doesn't directly influence the chance that you'll go postal, it does make you more receptive to the thought (so it won't make you go kill someone...but if something does trigger that thought you're more likely to follow through with it).
What I just described affects EVERYBODY on a subconscious level whether you like it or not...however, there are more harms with a hyper-violence saturated media.
While it's easy for someone older than a certain age (varies from person-to-person...rule of thumb is about 12-16) to differentiate between fantasy and reality, the younger you get the harder this is (example: psychological studies suggest that one of the reasons babies cry so damn much when their parent leaves their LOS is because they believe the person has actually dissapeared forever. It takes a while for a person to develop the concept of existance outside of your sensory input). And while you can say "if you can't tell the difference don't play the game", be realistic. If you can't tell the difference, you probably don't know.
There's more to it, but I just realized this post is kinda long as is...bottom line is that for the most part I think the VG argument is fairly bullshit, but it's not completely without merit, despite what gamers like to pretend.
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There may be blood on the tracks, but the trains are on time.
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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost