Forum: The Classroom
Topic: neutrinos have mass! ha ha standard model!
started by: CatKnight

Posted by incubus on Jun. 18 2001,21:46
Fuck bosonic string theory! It's turtles all the way down!

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Posted by j0eSmith on Jun. 18 2001,22:09
What IS the string theory anyway?

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Posted by CatKnight on Jun. 19 2001,01:14
in an extremely vast nutshell, string theory replaces infinitly small particles (quarks, electrons, photons, gravitons, ( but not baryons, which are made up of quarks )); with vibrating strings that are about a planck length long and have about as much tension as a 12 guage wire being pulled on both ends by the gravitational wells of two black holes the most interesting result of which is that string theory should unite general relativity and quantum gravity, allowing us to figure out mathematically what happens inside a blackhole or what happened in the first planck-second of the universe
Posted by Rhydant on Jun. 19 2001,02:07
ok, what the HELL is a neutrino?!?!?

is that a British tern for 'Neutron'?

im confused...

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Posted by jiggyfresh on Jun. 19 2001,02:55
its about as big as your dick
Posted by RenegadeSnark on Jun. 19 2001,03:54
Add this discovery to the list of "101 things that do not affect my day-to-day life."

Congradulations for the scientists, I'm sure someone will manage to get their head out of their ass yet!


Posted by CatKnight on Jun. 19 2001,05:22
well the standard model has been proven wrong. neutrinos infact do have mass. this was discovered when the underground neutrino detector in canada only deteced 1/3 of the neutrinos it was supposed to. the other 2/3 happened to be electron neutrinos that changed flavor into muon or tau neutrinos. only particles with mass can spontaneously change flavor, therefore neutrinos must have mass! i believe about 99\% of the particles in the universe are neutrinos, so this has a definiate impact on a lot of cosmological predictions such as big bang and big crunch and dark matter theories. huzzah for string theory!
Posted by Non on Jun. 19 2001,05:44
Deja Vu.
I just watched somethign about this on the discovery channel (i was looking for some animals mating) and they said that there are not as many nutrinos as they had thought and that they have a mass aprox. 1/50,000 of an electron.

They showed the nutrino messuring set up. It is like 1.5 miles beneath an old nikel mine inside the worlds largest man-made cavity. BIg enough to hold a 10 story appartment building.


Posted by masher on Jun. 19 2001,09:48
Neutrinos are (supposed to be) massless particles that are involved in the conservation of momentum. They were 'discovered' by Pauli (I think).

There are three flavours of neutrino: electron, muon and tau. Each of these derives from a process involving its name. ie an electron neutrino comes from processes involving electrons (eg beta decay) etc...

The Standard Model says that neutrinos should be massless, and to that end, physicists have measured upper limits for the neutrino mass.

So far, Earth based experiments looking for the neutrino ocsillation haven't seen anything.

Side note: Interestingly, the Isotope science lab at Curtin Uni has done some experiments looking at the mass of a neutrino. They were looking for discreapancies in the double beta decay of Molybdenum. They did n't show that they were massless, but the did give an upper limit. Just goes to show that you don't need bigg instruments to do cosmological experiments.

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Posted by CatKnight on Jun. 19 2001,11:06
quote:
Originally posted by Rhydant:
ok, what the HELL is a neutrino?!?!?

is that a British tern for 'Neutron'?

im confused...



hehe no. neutrino's are tiny uncharged particles originally theorized to exist in order to account for a slight energy loss, and to save conservation of energy. it turns out they are released in many different nuclear reactions, and that they are the most abundant particle in the universe. at any one second, a billion neutrinos or so are passing through your body. however, since they are so tiny and have very little mass and are uncharged, they hardly react with anything. a neutrino could pass through a wall of lead a light-year thick and not hit a single nucleus.


Posted by CatKnight on Jun. 19 2001,16:08
incidentally neutrinos are what cause supernovas sort of. when the core of a massive star collapes to a neutron star (electron degeneracy), the reaction goes:

proton + electron = neutron + neutrino

so basically every single nucleon in the core of a supermassive star releases a neutrino. thats a fuck load of neutrinos! even though they don't interact with matter much at all, there are so many of them coming out of the core of the sun blasting into the inner layers of the star that all of the matter gets acclerated to relativistic speeds (.99999c etc).

This message has been edited by CatKnight on June 20, 2001 at 11:09 AM


Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 20 2001,13:19
thank you for answering my question before i asked it.

Now for the big one.

When a star does the big crunch, at what point does it become a black hole?
and
if i follow all this right a black hole would just be a superdense nutron star?

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Posted by CatKnight on Jun. 20 2001,14:30
the core would become a black hole the instant it's density reached a certain point. i'd imagine the process would look rather cool if there was nothing obscuring the view. it would look like a bright star, then you would see space around it bending and warping weird, and then the light would just get bent around until it became black. mind you, this all happens in like 10 nanoseconds hehe. the center of a black hole, hmm i guess the neutron core would still be there but who knows

edit: needed to steal smiley from another forum. *hint hint* cr0bar

This message has been edited by CatKnight on June 21, 2001 at 09:33 AM


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