Forum: The Classroom
Topic: Internet banned in Afghanistan
started by: Neophyre
Posted by Neophyre on Aug. 25 2001,06:37
< http://news.ninemsn.com.au/sci_tech/story_17536.asp > 09:24 AEST Sun 26 Aug 2001
Internet banned in Afghanistan
AFP - Afghanistan's Taliban militia today banned the Internet and ordered the hardline religious police to punish users according to Islamic law, the official radio station reported. "Within the territory of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan no governmental or non-governmental, domestic or international NGO (non-governmental organisation) or individuals can exploit the Internet," said a decree broadcast on radio Shariat. The edict from Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar said the ministry for the promotion of virtue and the suppression of vice, otherwise known as the religious police, had been authorised to punish Internet users. "The ministry is duty-bound to chase the violators of this decree and punish the violator in accordance to Sharia law," it said.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- how fucked up is this?
religion has gone too far.
alot of jobs would be lost over this (if any existed over there in the first place)
Posted by SLATE on Aug. 25 2001,13:21
Dude, those moron's have banned everything. And what is anyone in the world doing? Nothing. I think its time we start to fight for those people. They are so oppressed by those stupid taliban pricks. They can't sing, dance or do anything except work. Seriously, we have to do something about this. I think crackhead bush should do something. I think we, as human beings, should do something. Anyone want to register a domain and donate it to me, and I'll make a site for it. Contact me if you wanna help.SLATE
Posted by cr0bar on Aug. 25 2001,13:49
The battle against the Taliban will not take place on the internet 
Posted by TheTaxMan on Aug. 25 2001,15:10
Religion went to far the day someone raised up arms against another ideology for religious reasons. quote:
Originally posted by SLATE:
I think crackhead bush should do something.
W. should do a lot of things except he's too moronic to say anything except "Tax Cut." /snl
"We found this dog in the parking lot. The cabinet and I voted to call him 'Awesome Dude.'"
/snl
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Originally posted by RenegadeSnark:
If you have a problem with the average IQ around here, don't do things to lower it.
This message has been edited by TheTaxMan on August 26, 2001 at 10:14 AM
Posted by t|nt|n on Aug. 25 2001,15:11
No point setting up a website if they can't see it 
Posted by Nikita on Aug. 25 2001,16:15
Jihad, jihad, jihad, jihad ...*shiver*
Posted by jay on Aug. 25 2001,16:44
developers,developers,developers,developers..sorry
Posted by DeadAnztac on Aug. 25 2001,18:33
Oh yes, revolt in a country where they'll kill a woman on the spot for showing her feet. A place where any house with a woman in the house has to have painted windows, where woman must cover EVERYTHING up in public, even their face. Go there Cat and be discourtous to a member of the Taliban. They'll kill you on the spot.------------------
~Anztac [ I'm just this guy, you know? ]
Posted by CatKnight on Aug. 25 2001,19:16
well I didn't say it was right or that their government was a force of good, what I was saying is that it's not up to the United States to just randomly go to other countries and kick their asses becuase we don't like their laws.
Posted by SLATE on Aug. 25 2001,20:56
CK,I'm not saying we should attack them. I'm saying we should have talks with them. People have the "god-given" right to show their feet and not get killed. People have the "god-given" right to show their face.
Its not the small things that are of most importance. Yes, the people voted them in, but perhaps the people didn't know the Taliban was going to be like that. Perhaps they are too afraid to revolt. I think that those people hold their honor very highly and hate to be dishonored or disgraced and they are perhaps afraid to revolt or speak out because of this. Religious beliefs should not be FORCED on people, as they are doing. I have nothing else to say.
Posted by LiNeY on Aug. 25 2001,21:29
This is the Taliban, i.e. the fundamental muslims. They have the power in Afghanistan and they are making that country hell on earth. There are a lot of people here in Germany who managed to flee from there, but by now that has become impossible. So much to "they can always emigrate". They don't really have an opposition, or elections. Democracy is based upon the possibility to "install new government" when the old one turns bad, or is not according to the people's will anymore. This isn't possible in Afghanistan. So much to "it is a democracy and they elected them".Dictature is wrong, but a religiously fanatic dictature is the worst thing there can be. They do not even give people the right to think. They kill people for practically nothing. They hold themselves to be the only righteous people on earth and they are willing to kill everybody who does not agree.
They suppress women and treat them like shit but I am not even going to start on that because it will set me to flames for the next 72 hours at least. War is not a solution. But everything else, like Human Rights groups, didn't work. They recently wanted to kill several Human Rights workers, saying they were "spreading Christianity" or something. You can't talk to these people.
Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 25 2001,22:40
its called dictatorship people why do you think sadam is in power still...cos hes convinced people that he's right and that we're wrong. the taliban is just fucked up though. they shot a woman in the head for wearing the worng clothes. dunno bout invasion but FFS can u say abuse of basic human rights? we could at least send in the UN to stand about and pretend to look like they can do something. i mean thats what the UN is for sint it?------------------
I remember the days when the phrase "IBM compatible" actually meant something
Posted by CatKnight on Aug. 25 2001,23:03
"A dictatorship is either the best form of government, or it is the worst. Democracy ensures that 51\% of the population can pee in the corn flakes of 49\% of the population"Forgot the guy's name who said that, but he is a journalist for the main republican newspaper.
Posted by CatKnight on Aug. 26 2001,05:57
SLATE no offense but you are a political moron just like most other liberals. The US can't just invade Afganistan, think about it. They are a SOVERIGN NATION, no matter how crappy it may be. If the people that live there really hate it so much then they would emmigrate or revolt. Just because WE think their customs suck doesn't mean THEY do. Again, no offense, but you sound just like most liberals in wanting to force your beliefs on others because to you they are right and there is no other option.
Posted by LiNeY on Aug. 26 2001,11:24
Yeah right. Dictatorship can be good. Unfortunately, I never heard of a dictatorship that turned out really good for the people... usually dictatorship ensures that 5\% of the population can pee in the cornflakes of 95\% of the population, or very simply take their cornflakes away...The quote is pretty cool though, CK.
Posted by Wolfguard on Aug. 26 2001,12:03
quote:
Originally posted by Nikita:
Jihad, jihad, jihad, jihad ...*shiver*
quote:
Originally posted by jay:
developers,developers,developers,developers..sorry
Nukes, Nukes, Nukes, Nukes. Go back to the ship and nuke the entire site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure. ------------------
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Posted by Nikita on Aug. 26 2001,12:45
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfguard:
Nukes, Nukes, Nukes, Nukes.
Go back to the ship and nuke the entire site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
For the theme song, may I recommend:
Trigger Happy
Christmas at Ground Zero first time I heard those songs I almost died laughing. 
Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 26 2001,16:39
quote:
Originally posted by CatKnight:
[B]"A dictatorship is either the best form of government, or it is the worst. Democracy ensures that 51\% of the population can pee in the corn flakes of 49\% of the population"B]
those 49\% were probably republicans anywayz so its inconsequential.
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Posted by Frosty on Aug. 26 2001,20:03
Uh, CK? Are you stupid? How the fuck are these people supposed to revolt? They would be completelely ANNIHILATED. They can't even walk around and be shady and have arms deals in dark corners. They have absolutely no way to revolt because they'd just be cut right down. It'd make the way the Israeli's treat the Palestinians (although this is a separate issue and we won't get into it) look like nobility. You can't rebel against someone who's basically 3/4ths of the way inside your home.
Posted by CatKnight on Aug. 26 2001,21:03
the way the Israelis treat the palestinians? hello
Posted by demonk on Aug. 27 2001,02:34
Yup, it goes both ways. Both sides are equally guilty of some very nasty acts. Of course, each side says that the other side made them do it first  ------------------
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Posted by CatKnight on Aug. 27 2001,14:35
yeah but only one side is right. guess which one. go ahead, guess.
Posted by demonk on Aug. 27 2001,14:48
I pick C) Neither Alex------------------
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Posted by incubus on Aug. 27 2001,15:58
Why not write to your MP/Congressman/Senator if this means that much to you. Bitching and falling out on the internet will get nothing done.SLATE made an admirable post because he wants to take action in something he believes in. CK - other people have opinions. Stop shoving yours down everyone's throats. Mike ------------------
-- incubus
As I chase the leaves like the words I never find ...
Posted by CatKnight on Aug. 27 2001,16:39
look, everything that is wrong with palestine is a result of their own numerous wars which they started, and lost. now they are resulting to suicide bombs because they can't afford to start yet another war and ultimately fail. there is NO opinion on this matter, I am talking about HISTORICAL FACT.edit: unless you condone bombings of nightclubs, sbarro pizza's, and shopping malls. then i guess it's ok.  This message has been edited by CatKnight on August 28, 2001 at 11:41 AM
Posted by TheTaxMan on Aug. 27 2001,18:36
Haha, what bullshit.If they didn't want a war, both countries, the ceasefire would still be in effect, and they already would have to come to some sort of peace agreement. The fact is they both have undeniable hatred for each other, and this won't stop until the isrealies (sic) just walk over them w/ superior weaponry. The fact is the Palestinians condone terrorism (have made no effort to stop it). The ends don't justify the means all the time, and especially not here. ------------------
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Originally posted by RenegadeSnark:
If you have a problem with the average IQ around here, don't do things to lower it.
Posted by demonk on Aug. 27 2001,19:18
Yup. The Palistinians see Israil as their home, which it was until the UN took the land away from them 50 some years ago and gave it to the now Israilies as a small payment for all the shit that happened to them during WWII. So of course there was going to be Palistinians who didn't want to leave, so there was bound to be some fighting. Both sides, with or without the governments approval, have used and continue to use terrorist acts to somehow fill their need for revenge. Now, the only reason that Israil has those superior weapons is because we gave/sold the weapons to them. It was supposed to stop the fighting by making the Palistinians afraid of Israil's firepower. But they don't use it! I really don't know why, but I bet you anything the UN/USA is ultimatly responsible. So, all the nice weapons just sit in bunkers and airfield, while both sides continue to pipe bomb/night club bomb/suicide bomb the hell out of each other. So yes, I blame both sides. But I don't really blame the governments, because they have tried in the past to stop the fighting. But always, some small group who doesn't feel appeasied yet starts fighting again, and that causes everyone else to join in. The entire situation is a complete mess.------------------
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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 27 2001,19:22
i think that we can all agree that if it wasnt for hitler we wouldnt be in this mess right nowEDIT: if or when th UN get some balls and decides to have some proper policies of engagement shit like this will never stop.
"sir the enemy are attacking the village again!"
"yes sergeant i know. so lets get back to our job of sitting here and watching while eating our sandwhiches" ------------------
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Posted by CatKnight on Aug. 27 2001,19:41
demonk, you sure know how to show off your ignorance well. the problems have been going on since ancient times when the israelites were banished. the 'recent' conflicts however started after world war 1 when the british originally took over the area and split it up. it wasn't until 1948, when the british left, that the arabs declared war on israel. and no, we did not give israel arms in hope that they would win and end the fighting. the israeli's purchased outdated ww1 weapons in 1948 to fight the superior arab army. now they have one of the best 'defense forces' in the world.This message has been edited by CatKnight on August 28, 2001 at 02:42 PM
Posted by LiNeY on Aug. 27 2001,20:16
The UN can't do anything about it. All the UN can do is make resolutions which are suggestions but no way can be executed by force, and they can send peace troops, which can't do much in an actual war as all they are allowed is self-defense. The UN did what they could, and the terrorism spoilt that peace idea.
Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 27 2001,20:34
ok yeah they are (if you forget the whole yom kippur thing) but the whole things just gotten totaly fucked up out of control. the UN in 1948 got pretty much driven out by the jewish freedom fighters so any hope of control was destoryed (even eating sandwhiches while watching had some influence)------------------
I remember the days when the phrase "IBM compatible" actually meant something
Posted by TallAssAzn on Aug. 28 2001,01:11
In response to the part regarding Afghanistan [because I'm too slow and missed putting my two cents in]:There's not much we can do other than talk at them. I say talk at because they're not listening. What they're doing seems outrageous to us because we have so much freedom out here, in the rest of the world. It's like seeing your neighbor kick the crap out of their dog (or worse, their kids), and not being able to call the cops on them, because there aren't any with the authority to go in there and arrest them. Now regarding Israel: The land was given to the Jewish people after WWII because it was believed that they would no longer be persecuted as they had been in Germany if they had a homeland, a country of their own, as everybody else had. The Germans had Germany, the British Britain, the Italians Italy, etc. As much as I'd like to go in and stop them from slaughtering each other, I have no authority or resources to do so, and even if I managed to get over there, they have no reason to listen to me. Some of them, not naming any sides, are so utterly convinced that what they're doing is right, that they have a divine right and obligation to try and take Israel by any means possible. They're not unlike those of you who think you're always right and everybody else is wrong. Only they're more violent. ------------------
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Posted by CatKnight on Aug. 28 2001,03:18
quote:
I have no authority or resources to do so,
That's fine, because the IDF is more then enough to handle large-scale threats. The problem is that Israel really sucks in the publicity department. I mean REALLY sucks. That's probably why so many people have grave misconceptions about what goes on.
Posted by LiNeY on Aug. 28 2001,13:19
quote:
Originally posted by CatKnight:
The problem is that Israel really sucks in the publicity department. I mean REALLY sucks. That's probably why so many people have grave misconceptions about what goes on.
Not so much that, I guess. I mean, most of the Western world would probably be with Israel in this conflict. The main problem is that the Palestinians are Arabs, hence cooperating with and backed by the Arabian countries. And the Arabian countries are where the oil comes from. If they decided to rise the prices, or not sell us oil anymore, we (read: the rest of the world) would be in real trouble. Remember the oil crisis in the 1970's? No idea how bad it was in the US, but in Europe the situation got so grave that for a time you were not allowed to drive your car on a Sunday, in order to save gas. So, they have a "wonderful" threat to use on us...
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