Topic: Overclocking new Athlon T/Bird
started by: fatbitch
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how far do you reackon i should be able to take this baby? i have currently got it at 9.5x103mhz, if i take it to 105 it gets errors (compiling linux kernel). its got a standard heatsink and fan, dont really want to take it any further than that
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BTW: My PIII 800 at home is currently clocked up to 912 @ 152Mhz FSB... very stable. Ooooo, baby.
i checked out < http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1296&p=3 > as someone suggested, but it doesnt show exactly which metal bits to connect with the conductive pen... any help is, as usual, appreciated
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of a close up of the cpu, so even if someone could open up paint and draw where i need to connect :-)
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"i was born without any nads, so i guess like, my kids wont have nads either" - Beavis
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If they AREN:T connected, then use a pencil or window defroster paint to connect them verticaly (with respect to the L1 letters)
i hope this made sense, it's late
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aventari
"If we can't fix it -- we'll fix it so nobody can." -- B. Gibbons
I'm assuming you mean that there's problems with Athlons and power supplys. Well you're wrong. If you've studied ancient history (aparently you have), you'd see that the first Althons that came out DID have power supply problems(last year), with their .25 micron proccess and AMD 'Fester' reference design motherboards.. But that changed very very quickly.
If you'll remember the first Geforce cards _also_ had some power supply problems with a lot of mobo's not getting them enough current, but you dont see Nvidia anywhere near a slump right now.
The new Athlons(Thunderbirds/Durons with .18 micron dies) and all the new Socket A mobo's will have absolutely NO problem running on the generic 250watt power supply that comes in your ฮ mid tower ATX case.
Those are viscous rumors spread by unscrupulous zealots in the Intel camp...
So you have a PIII 800 clocked up to 912??
That's what? a 14\% overclock? dont make me laugh!
My Duron 650 is running at 909mhz just as stable as your Intel chip for a 40\% overclock!
And guess what? My cpu cost me ๋ dollars!
While your monster p3 cost around 赼.
you do the math
now on to fatbitches question(sorry if i sound gruff, but if there's one thing I cannot STAND, it's disinformation!):
Have you upped the core voltage on the cpu yet? You should be able to do about 1 gigahertz with the chip, depending if you have copper interconnects(made in dresden) or aluminum (made in austin).
Could you post a link to the heatsink you're using, or tell me which one.
Make SURe you have thermal goop installed on the cpu/heatsink instead of the crappy tape that most HSF manufacturers use.
Also get a program like Motherboard Monitor to check your CPU temperature, thats the best way to make sure you wont hurt anything. keep it below 50-55 centigrade on full load and everything will be alright
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aventari
"If we can't fix it -- we'll fix it so nobody can." -- B. Gibbons
Intel has name and song recognition going for them, but AMD has quality and dependability behind them. I only buy AMD and I recomend them to everyone.
BTW my husband oc'ed his amd@500 to 800 mhz and its been running stabily for 4 months now. It got a little wiggy at 900 mhz so he settled for 800. He can't wait to get a hold of my brother's 800 mhz athlon...1Ghz here we come! 
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Originally posted by aventari:
I'm assuming you mean that there's problems with Athlons and power supplys.
He means the problem at < http://www.detonate.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000322.html > with this specific computer, not Athlons in general.
after reading it, the new power supply sounds like it works, and overclocking wouldn't make enough of a difference to change that. but if he was still getting random lock ups, ...yeah
overclocking is good
thats the heatsink/fan combo. < www.coolermaster.com > is the site
yeah its running ok, a little hot to touch at 980hmz, but i cant run quake or it locks up, so im looking into better heat dissipating. i am gonna get some thermal gel tomorrow, the thermal tape is all fucked cause of all the taking the heatsink on and off.
so what are some relatively inexpensive ways to get rid of a little heat? is sticking multiple fans on top of each other (like a fan-tunnel) worth it? i dont wanna go something non portable like water cooling, also that sounds like too much effort
a friend suggested electric cooling, is this cool? sounds expensive tho
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This message has been edited by fatbitch on October 25, 2000 at 09:32 AM
) it really starts to warm up, even get errors in compilation
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"i was born without any nads, so i guess like, my kids wont have nads either" - Beavis
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I was joking and making reference to the other thread... yes. The most amazing thing about my computer being 800 -> 912 is that I didn't touch the multiplier. I have the FSB running at 152Mhz... not too shabby, for a wimpy PIII. Plus, I'm not done yet. I have Win2K compatability issues with the CPU monitoring program, so I'm not pushing my luck.
If you want my take on the Intel vs. AMD thing, I'm sticking with Intel for a while (not like I'm buying a computer for a couple of years). An interesting article was posted on Slashdot yesterday comparing AMD to Intel from the inside... not for Skr1pt kiddies for sure. Bottem line, P4 looks like a lot of fun with a 17 stage pipeline and it can handly 126 RISCy instructions in flight with very good branch prediction and all that crap. It's going to be a ballsy-huge die, but that can be forgiven.
< http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=15000189 >
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Originally posted by cr0bar:
Actually with all the silicon in computers you might think that TEC's (Peltiers) are made of it too, but it's actually a combination of two dissimilar metals, the names of which elude me right now. . .
The old school TECs used two dissimiar metals (i don't know which ones either). Modern TECs (made after the 1960s) use doped silicon instead. The basic idea behind a TEC is that running current through it causes heat to migrate from one side to the other. Kind of like the old McDonalds Big Mac containers.... If you reverse the current, the heat migrates to the other side. Awefully convenient for all weather machines... if it's too cold, current goes this way... if it's too hot, current goes that way. I wouldn't recommend changing the current while it's pressed against your Athelon.
Good link to get you started if you decide to go the peltier route. Just be VERY VERY VERY careful of condensation. With most peltiers you are running at or below ambient temp. Take a cold soda outside on a hot day, now imagine that's your cpu ... you get the idea.
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That's not to say I won't change my opinion when the next gen games come out, or that there's no inherit fun in getting a 600mhz duron to post at 1ghz. 
Now to answer a few questions...
Peltier cooling is VERY dangerous, as if the unit fails (which they sometimes do) your processor will get absolutly NO cooling, and will promptly burn up. Condensation can also be a problem, although it can be countered by insulation (for super-cooling type jobs) or by simply using one that won't fall below ambiant temp when cooling your CPU. I choose the latter for my K6; it worked fairly nice. You can stack peltiers, BTW.
As for stacking fans, if you stack two identical ones you will not change the airspeed at all. You will, however, increase the force the fans are capable of producing. In other words, if your fans are just blowing across something (such as an average heatsink) it won't do much. If they are blowing into something, such as a sealed case with no exaust fan, it will help a bit. However, putting one fan on the top of a HS and one on the side will have different results...
Oh, and a heatsink compoud or proper pad is very important in cooling. Just don't forget to remove the paper backing if your heatsink comes with a sticky pad. (yes, I know someone who did this, and after buying a big-ass expensive Global Win heatsink)
*marcc*
This message has been edited by marc c on October 25, 2000 at 09:52 PM
marc, do you mean like just getting more fans and sticking them to she side of the heatsink, vertically? doesnt sound like a bad idea. i was thinking maybe just buying more heatsinks and sticking them all together, with fans on them all, would this do any good?
thanks for all your suggstions guys, i appreciate it all!
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"i was born without any nads, so i guess like, my kids wont have nads either" - Beavis
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