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"MAN! You go through life, you try to be nice to people... you reist the urge to PUNCH them in the FACE, and for what? All so some pimply little PUKE can treat you like dirt, cause your'e not on the TEAM! Well I'm better than dirt! ...well most kinds of dirt, not that fancy store-bought dirt, that stuff's loaded with nutrients, I can't compete with that..." -Moe

Now he's after me again. Here's why:
What i did to piss this person off was being accomplice to a message into the afternoon messages at school.
Thing is, he thinks it was me that did this, and it wasn't. I just sat back and laughed

Here's what it said.

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(victim) To see Mr (Teacher) this afternoon for his private tutoring in D4.

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Sounds innocent enough doesn't it?
Well this teacher is a bit "queer". That's what makes it so funny. People who don't know the teacher don't see the big deal about the message.

and abotu fighting people bigger than you, i know all about this. there are many things you can do to prepare. first, buy a swiss army knife with a locking saw arm. not a knife, the saw. you shove one of those in someones face, and they will leave you alone. second, buy a cup, you can never ever be too careful. third, wear some heavy clothes, it helps to soften any blows against you. 4th, if they are bigger than you, dont ever be afraid to hit them in the nuts, if you do it right, no matter how big they are, they will fall. 5th, make sure you dont get into a fight where you dont have room to run in case you start to lose. 6th, if you have any large amounts of cash hanging around, find someone bigger than this big person, and pay him to wait around the corner, and when the big person comes to hit you, the other guy can step out and just kick his ass. 7th, and most important, whatever you do, do not throw the first punch, and make sure you have witnesses. if he manages to cause any serious harm, then you can sue his ass for all he is worth, because anything you may have done to him will be purely out of self defense. finally, if you win, make sure he knows you can do it again.

also, the mandible claw is a nice maneuver....but thats not really advice...

I've been doing jiu jitsu for just a couple of months and i'm not really that strong at all but its shown even me how easy it is to floor someone and if the situation gets a bit out of hand even break the odd wrist or arm without much fuss, and trust me if he ends up using a knife of even just a baseball bat you can quite happily do the above without fear of getting charged with GBH

You dont need to be Bruce Lee to be able to protect yourself and its boosted my confidence loads and half of these things is about phycology so if he thinks you mean business he's going to be unsure and hesitant

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This message has been edited by Dark Knight Bob on November 21, 2000 at 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
I've been doing jiu jitsu...

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You learned jiu jitsu? Whoa.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Remember, (at least in my opinion) the key to winning a fight is controlling the fear factor. If someone is bigger than you, they feel more confident because...well, is it not obvious? So you need to tip the scales in your favor. So,

1. DO NOT be meek. Talk trash. Talk shit. Tell the guy you are going to fuck him up beyond belief. Make up stories about other people "twice his size" that you've trashed. Even if he kicks your ass, I promise he'll do it with more hesitation than if you said, "leave me alone." Playing the pacifist will just egg him on.
   
2. ALWAYS look him in the eye. This shows your confidence. Never let him stare you down. Keep a bead on him at all times and frown slightly. If he asks, "what the hell are you staring at," muster up some balls and reply, "I'm going to fuck you up" in your angriest, confident voice...I PROMISE you will see positive results.
   
3. If it gets down to it, be on your toes...literally. Stand with a bouncy posture on the balls of your feet, and learn to dodge and duck (start jumping rope today - I swear, it helps). Also, never take your eyes off of his eyes. Watch the punches with your peripheral.
   
4. I suggest using the "Bruce Lee" punch. Jab as strait as possible with an open palm. Then, right before you make contact, squeeze a tight fist. Brass knuckles may help, but unless you want to go to jail, stick with quarters. Start practicing with a punching bag. Or a tree (get used to the pain, punching someone hard hurts your hand pretty bad.)
   
5. If you have a clear shot, or when he's least expecting it, use the cup of your palm made by the inside of your thumb, up to your index finger. Jam this into his larynx. When he goes down, make sure you hit him square in the nose, just to watch his eyes well up.
   
6. If he's too tall, go for the solorplexes. They're at the middle of the chest, right below of the sternum, where the ribcage meets. If you hit it, he loses his wind. Then you are free to go berserk. Try this out on your friends. It may need practice.
   
7. If this isn't a fight, and more of a wrestling match, there is only one thing you can do: BITE. And do it hard. Draw blood. He'll be freaked and stunned, and then you can go for his balls, neck, nose, etc.
   

Remember, for legal and strategic reasons, always be on the defensive. But never, ever, back down.

edit: formatting...but while I'm at it, I'll just mention that many a small man has scared off a giant. Just think of the sterotypical situation: the small crime boss and his big goons. Why is this so commonplace? Because of attitude. Your body language, psycho factor, intelligence, and aura of manipulation can lead you to control the minds of many. Hitler was no Wermacht. He was a tiny peice of shit. But look how many massive German beefcakes he had kissing his filthy ass.

This message has been edited by whiskey@throttle on November 21, 2000 at 10:39 AM

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You learned jiu jitsu? Whoa.

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I know Kung Fu!

Well, not really, but I am a black belt in Shotokan Karate, and my advice is: Don't get into these situations in the first place. There really isn't any good reason for provoking a person into fighting you. At least, not in any civilized society: if you are younger than 13-14, of course, fights are going to be a simply fact of life. In which case studying Martial Arts will indeed help you, just as it helped me. But if you're a high school student or older, you should really be mature enough to solve problems in ways other than violence. I know that sounds like a cliche or some preachy moral statement, but it's true. There are very few situations where attacking someone will do any good, unless there was nothing you could have done to avoid the fight.

In the end Hitting and running is better than Hitting, waiting around to see if you can get him again and endding up with a black eye or worse.

kick them in the 'nads?

Use ski masks if you fear retribution...

Altogether, not a good situation. Just like abstenance (I can't spell it... what does that tell you?) is the only way to assure no pregnancy, if you don't want your face mashed, don't piss off big people. They make much better allies than enemies.

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Originally posted by Neophyre:
Any advice on fighting someone bigger/stronger than you are?

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Well, if you're SMARTER than them, that helps. Remember, people who are pissed off enough to kick your ass aren't thinking rationally and are easy enough to confuse, if you can keep your head on straight...

<BRAG STORY>
Once upon a time, a dude wanted to kick my ass something fierce. He got up in my face and said "I'm gonna KICK YOUR ASS, YOU LITTLE BITCH!"

I said "why?"

"Because you're a BITCH!" he replied.

"So?" I asked.

"I could KICK YOUR ASS IN A SECOND!"

"Well, yeah," I said, "I mean, look at you. You're huge. I'm not even a challenge to you."

He looked at me, said "fuck you, you're not even worth my time" and walked off.
</BRAG STORY>

Also there used to be a site on suing people for money because they beat you up at ontap.com, but I guess it got the axe.

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I'm afraid of these cholo (spanish for "gangsta") mexicans. Here in texas there are plenty, and it's pretty damn scary. When my Dad was growing up, he lived in Palm Desert, CA. He, as a white male, was a minority at his school.

I'm not sure how often he would get beaten up, but it was usually by three to five mexicans beating the shit out of him. Toughened him up real quick.

That was about 20 years ago. We're living in an age where it takes only a few minutes to get ahold of a handgun. I hate sterotyping, but I'm sure these 'cholos' are quite capable of having many firearms at their disposal. Yikes.

Luckily, I've managed to stay on their good side. I say their because if you mess with one of them, you mess with ALL OF THEM.

Anyway, my only advice is to not get into situations like that. If it's a real problem, goto the police or something, let them deal with it.

*sigh* maybe I'm just paranoid...

-Tony

edit: spelling error(s)

This message has been edited by TonyDennis on November 21, 2000 at 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by Wh4ck3r:
i am alwase on the giving end of the beating stick and i know what its like to have a smart ass such as your self make witty quips at me, that just makes it worse

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wh4ck3r, I have a feeling that in a confrontation with me you would have no idea what hit you. Guys like you, who are ALWAYS on the "winning" side, are the easiest to defeat. You let them think they've won, and you NEVER act like a smart ass. A lot of times it's not what you say, but how you say it... read my last post and imagine when I am asking "why?" and "so?" I look and sound geniuninely confused, as if I am simply too thick-headed to understand why the dude wanted to beat me down.

I was also looking him directly in the eye, making sure that when I looked away I looked sideways, and kept a three to four foot distance from him. If he stepped towards me, I'd step either right or left to keep him going in circles. And I kept an eye out to make sure I didn't get backed into a corner.

In a confrontation, think sideways...

1. Maintain eye contact. When you have to look away, look left or right. Looking UP shows dominance ("I'm better than you") which is going to piss them off more. Looking DOWN shows submission ("You're better than me"), which is going to encourage them to hit you. Looking SIDEWAYS shows that you're alert, but nothing more... the most important things to look at are 1. the other dude's eyes (they will telegraph his next action) and 2. your surroundings.

As for movement, if you move, ALWAYS move sideways or diagonally, NEVER directly forward or backward. Forwards movements show aggression. Backwards movements show submission. Sideways movements are usually confusing, and require your attacker to turn.

Whatever you do, do NOT get backed into a wall or a corner (you're trapped and you'll start to panic), and do NOT back your opponent into a wall or a corner (same goes for him.)

Keep your tone of voice as calm as you possibly can. People naturally mimic other people's emotions; that's why an angry person makes you angry, laughter is funny, etc. So if you can control your responses, you have some control of your opponent. Remain calm, and your opponent will probably calm down. Just don't be condescending.

As for things to say, again, think sideways. And keep in mind that people LOVE to talk about themselves, so try and get your opponent talking... about how much of a badass he is, how many asses he's kicked, how much he hates such-and-such, anything. Remember, while he's talking, he ain't going to be hitting YOU. And in the end, if you agree with him about how wonderful and tough he is, he'll probably wind up liking you - and then you have a big dude on your side.

and if you watch wrestling (WWF, ECW) some of those moves actually work.

remember, the bigger they are, the slower they are. if he aims for a high head punch, duck and jab him in the kidneys.

go for the knees. no, really. kick at them, if your lucky, he'll stumble, and if hes on one knee, double up your fist and give him an axe-handle blow to the back of the head.

when in doubt, go for the nuts. no one can give you shit for this. youre fighting. the object of fighting is to beat the other guy into submission. anything in fighting is legal. even ball-shots

hope this helps. dont get yer self killed.

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Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. The thing I hate most is that I didn't have a better idea.

More than anything else, make sure you don't take any of this new knowledge and cause the fight to occur. You will get your ass kicked, you will bleed internally, and you will feel pain for a long time. Only use this if you're in a bad situation. First thing to do in that inescapable situation is to stall. The less time they have to beat you, the better. All fights in a school are timed by default.

Altogether, move sideways, but don't look like you're shuffling (like a boxer) since he'll think you're being a smartass. Don't be agressive, don't be in his face. Be a normal human being... be assertive (not a pussy, not an ass). If other people think that him kicking your ass is dumb, they may intervene.

Fighting is fucking stupid to begin with. If you can avoid it, yeah. If you can mitigate your damages, good. He can feel he kicked your ass, and all you got was a bruised cheek. Take him out for a beer afterwards. As him about his mom, or something...

-Makes fun of the fact that I'm not saying anything

-BS about kicking my ass

-Finally, they lunge at me like they're going to punch me in the face, and stop at the last second

-Laughs (happily) at how I'm such a weirdo

-Becomes a /sort of/ friend

I guess I figured that I didn't stand any kind of chance, and not flinching couldn't be any worse than running away.

Hmmm... and now that I think about it, one time a kid was picking on me. So at the begining of one class, after he sat down I sat on his lap. He called me a queer, and then I farted on him, and went to my seat. Strange enough, I guess people respect the person brave enough to fart on the bully!

Hehe, oh, and one other story! It was kind of the "thing" for bullies to push down on your backpack while you're walking or standing around. One time I was talking to someone and he pushed down. He laughed and walked away. While he was facing the other way, I grabbed onto his backpack, and picked my feet up. We both toppled to the ground. We both got up. Then he grabbed my back pack and yanked down. But I fell on the cement (where as WE had fallen on the grass). Everybody watching said, "Oh man... you dropped him on the cement... that's not right..." Anyway, I was ok, and nobody liked him that much anymore.

Alright kiddies... time for bed...

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More than anything else, make sure you don't take any of this new knowledge and cause the fight to occur.... fighting is fucking stupid to begin with.

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askheaves, you are my new hero. Fighting IS fucking stupid.

If some dude feels the need to harass you, don't just run, but there's usually no need to actually have to fight him either. All that shit people say about bullies lacking self-esteem is true. Of course they never mention that you can use that to your advantage... just find something he's proud of, and compliment him on it. People LOVE to brag.

Seriously. It works. One of my best buddies started off as a guy who wanted to kick my ass 'cause he thought I was a "fag." I said "no, I'm not, but I suck with chicks so people always think I am. It sucks. Man, you get all the women." He looked at me weird, and then said "want to learn how to get ladies?" Yup, I replied. So I met up with him after school and he told me all his secrets (not much, as it turned out) and started talking about his computer... and once he found out I knew my shit, ANYONE that fucked with me wound up on the end of his fist. Years later I was the best man at his wedding.

then yeh, i got a friday afternoon detention off the computers co-ordinator for

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Using a Teacher's computer account to write unwarranted messages on the Intranet (Afternoon Notices)

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But other than that, I'm okay

but the first guy still wants to bash me.

I've never been in a position to be in a fight. I don't like the idea of fighting. If I were drafted, I don't think I'd be all that effective, since I don't like the idea of shooting someone, much less punching them in the face. I like to remember that everybody can be hurt physically, but anybody that thinks that violence is the answer is already hurt mentally.

I've avoided fights because I didn't think that fighting would help. Granted, one of my friends did get into this wierd no way out situation during high school, he dropped the guy, and it was all over, but I have to think that this was the bottem 10\% of situations.

Dropping a guy won't make your life any easier. The funnest thing is when you find a way to drop a guy without having to even touch him. If you can get a guy to stop coming at you with the most threatening way possible in High School (violence), then you can transpose that to dealing with threatening folks in the real world that don't use violence. Humans are really simple creatures, but we're not 2-dimensional. A bully isn't going to be beatable along the physical vector (damn physics). Step into the second D or 3rd D. Knowing how folks work, and this conquest in your earlier life, will help you be more confident later. A loss can be simply chalked up to your opponent being a dumbass + you randomly trying the wrong tact.

In the end, remember not to confront this person. Only get physical if that's the last possible alternative (it's usually not). Any dumbshit that wants to fight you during school isn't in the mood to kill you. He's knowledgeable of the same rules as you: time limited fights, attention from the Admins, automatic attention that it's his fault, and dominance over you. He just want's to be superior to you. Does he really need to be?

Why not approach the guy during class or something similiar? Just ask to get a beer with the guy, appologize about your school announcement and explain, etc. Not every bully is a 1 dimensional person of dominence.

Ok... that's enough drinking + posting for one night. Good luck getting stomped.

I'm sorry about my advise not being helpful, and nobody elses in this situation. I hope you heal well. We'll all be here for you.

edit: spelling mistake.

This message has been edited by Sithiee on November 21, 2000 at 12:40 PM

But let's be realistic here. Let's drop all the fighting theory bullshit and figure this out right. Neo, I need some info:

1. How much do you weigh?
   
2. How tall are you?
   
3. How old are you?
   
4. How long are your arms?
   
5. How many push ups can you do in one minute?
   
6. How many pull ups can you do in one minute?
   
7. How fast can you run a mile?
   

Also, it would be good to answer as many of these as possible, in reference to the guy who wants to scrap...and his cronies.

This is not something I believe you should leave alone. These people have issues (drunken dads, whore mothers, broken homes, closet gay...) and are just projecting their anger onto you. I say you teach them a lesson. It's only a matter of time before you can learn and exploit their weaknesses.

edit: had to include the closet gay part, esp after re-reading why he got mad at you...

This message has been edited by whiskey@throttle on November 22, 2000 at 08:43 AM

Reason being. I'm a big mother fucker. And I don't believe that the little guy can beat the big guy. I've unfortunately been in many fights. None of which I've started. I also have NEVER had my ass whipped by one man that was smaller than me. I've got the shit kicked out of me by pussies in groups, or people with weapons, but never one on one by someone smaller.

I really don't even see how it's possible. Fighting just comes so effortless to me when the person is smaller. They never even really get a punch off. I can basically just hold them with one hand, and make them my bitch with the other.

For the record, to answer whiskey questions for myself.

I weight about 225-245 up and down on a weekly basis.
I'm 6'5" tall.
I'm 25.
My arms are Looooooooooong! (no ruler around)
I have no idea how many push ups I can do in a minute.
I can do about 28 pull-ups.
I don't know about 1 mile, but the last time I ran the 3 mile run in the Marine Corps my time was 19 minutes 20 seconds.

I mean seriously. If you are a little guy, you just don't stand a chance. Screw martial arts. They really don't work all that well, unless of course you've been studying them since birth and are strong enough to make a difference.

People that go around starting fights with people, just to bully them around are little bitches!! However, I wouldn't make it a point to fight this guy, just for the sake of fighting. Do NOT, however, back down from the fight! Don't, Don't, Don't!!! You will continue to get your ass whipped for as long as you let him. Fight back! Pull ears! Pull Hair! Whatever. Even if you loose the fight. You can still hurt him enough to make him not want to fight anymore. He'll think he's taught you a lesson and just move on. Let it be!

The last fight I was in, was at a party I threw were this "little guy" got out of control. I snatched him up and told him to cut it out. He punched at me once. I punched him once. He went unconcious. And that was it.

I have pictures too!

Me. (the guy with the goatee)

The other guy after getting smacked once.

If I were you, I'd make every effort to just avoid the guy....

Sorry I couldn't be more motivational for you, but frankly based on what I've read. You don't stand a chance in hell!!

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This message has been edited by jim on November 22, 2000 at 09:17 AM

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For the record, to answer whiskey questions for myself...

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Actually, I meant that for Neophyre...

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People that go around starting fights with people, just to bully them around are little bitches!! ...Do NOT, however, back down from the fight! Don't, Don't, Don't!!! You will continue to get your ass whipped for as long as you let him. Fight back! Pull ears! Pull Hair! Whatever. Even if you loose the fight. You can still hurt him enough to make him not want to fight anymore. He'll think he's taught you a lesson and just move on. Let it be!

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I hope you were all paying attention. Don't think anyone could have said it better.

marital arts only work if you can take a punch as well as give one. none of that jackie chan shit will work in a brawl unless your jackie chan (i take it your not). so stay with the good ol one two punch and keep your hands open so you can block (don't block with you hands in a fist it can break alot of shit)

next time he gets in your face step back a step or two and kick him square in the balls!
or punch him right in the eye/nose as hard and fast as you can (if he can't see he can't fight) in theroy this should leave him stunned for a second or two, if he isn't stunned do your best to beat his ass. you've already been beat up and humilailated (thats not the right spelling) what do you have to lose? show him your pissed. Get fucking pissed off!!! but don't lose control. control the the key, pissed off and in control of your anger.

point is: if your gonna have to fight, get your ass kicked whatever, give him something to remember you (like a big black eye, or a sore nose/balls) if that doesn't stop him from fucking with you the first time, it will build each time until he leaves you alone or you have found enough of his weaknesses to kick his ass.

note: whiskey@throttle mentioned the bruce lee jab (or whatever it is called) you should have your fingers pointed at the "target" you should close into a fist several inches behind the "target" in a snapping motion (pratice this on your shadow before you use it or you may fuck it up). that is the best punch their is!

i hope that helps. not a big fighter myself but i have watched it alot.

oh ya,

try working out, boxing your friends (half speed) push ups, sit ups, pull ups, bench press, whatever you can to get into alittle better shape.

damnit i'll shut up now

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first off, east coast people arent dumb.

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No. Just you Sithiee...

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[BActually, I meant that for Neophyre.[/B]

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I know. I was simply trying to put things in perspective.

On a completely seperate note. There was this big fight at the bar last night. Funny as hell. To little guys duking it out. Niether one of them could fight worth shit. They ran at each other full speed, both swung at each other, missed, and then both fell on their asses. It just got funnier from there....

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Oh well.

Stupid people pick fights, and stupid people are easier to talk to and confuse.

I mean. In grade 9, I knew a guy, a tough guy type, who came up to me when I was talking with my friends about some new and great hardware (or soemthing) and he started mocking us and said it was all stupid bullshit.

"Go away, no one cares about your opinnion."
"huh?"
"Your OPINNION, no one cares"
"say what?"
"Do you know what opinnion means?"
"stop confusing me"
"You're fucking stupid, go away."

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"If it doesn't work, hit it with a hammer."

If he's bigger than you, the first thing you need to worry about is your own mental state. If you don't think you can win, you won't.

Next is to make him think he either (a) can't win; or (b) is gonna have a hard time (i.e. its not going to be a walk in the park).

Whether or not you are agressive or defensive, I will not comment - it is different for every situation what you should do/be. But once you pick a side, stick with it. The only exception is that if you are a little defensive, if done right turning offensive really quickly and with a lot of 'thrust' will evoke fear in your enemy.

90\% of fighting is mental, and 10\% of it is physical. Never hesitate.

I got into a few fights in high school, and something I was good at is that when I finally got into a fight I would be very pumped, energetic, and ready to keep going.

My downside of course was that I did everything I could to prevent a fight, and thinking back it made me look like a pussy in a few situations. Being a pussy will only encourage him to harrass you.

One thing I will use this thread to quickly poke: Am I the only one that laughs when in pain? I mean, seriously, not laugh like Tyler Durden laugh after he gets kicked by the little mobster, laugh like ehh heh heh type shit, i dunno?

I've had skin scraped all off my shoulder from a BAD bike accident and I laughed, even when the peroxide covered my skin...

Run your ass off and when you get the oppertuinity to, run across the street and chuck rocks at him, and when he's down, run over there and kick the shit of him while he's down. If that doesn't work, ask him to hold your hat (if you happen to have one), and while he's distracted,give him a swift kick in the nadicles and run away, laughing you ass off(don't forget you hat).

There's my advice. If you don't like it, good. We'll see who wins......

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"There is no hell, just France." - Frank Zappa

These guys don't seem to want to let it go. It seems you have two options. One: got to the teachers and other authorities. Try and take a tape recorder with you that you can turn on in a moment and record the dialogue. Seems the teachers saw what happened and pulled you out, but haven't done anything about it. Either they don't care or they're unwilling to act and see it as a 'schoolboy quarrel'. Doing this will probably antagonise the bully more.
Two: Confront them. Prefereably when they give you shit in front of a large group of people. If they push you, turn and say something like: " OK mate, you and me, you can even bring your mates. I'm sick of your harassment. It seems you won't let this go. You'll probably kick my arse but I don't care any more and I'm not gonna run from you. Let's just get it over with." Drop your bag. Stand ready in a fighting position, nothing fancy, feet spread to shoulder width, one foot slightly forward, hands in a boxing stance. This will help your balance. Good for moving or throwing a punch/blocking. Keep your eyes on his, they will tell you when he's ready to punch or if he's ready to drop the situation.
If he starts to hit, hit him first or back, doesn't matter. Get at least one in. If you go down and he's not pinning you, keep getting up and get back in the stance. The pain will numb after a while. Don't go foetal unless he starts kicking your face and roll away to get up. Like the others said keep moving. Just do what you need to. Fighting, unless trained for, is quite unnatural and spur of the moment. Just do what you must. These guys might consider biting and scratching is 'cowardly'. You decide.
Be ready to take advantage of any doubt in his mind. If he wavers, ask him if he will drop it or finish it, but godammit do one or the other right now.
If you start to cry, it can be involuntary, like when your nose is hit. Don't sob, just let it run, but get back up and cry while facing him. Let it fuel your determination.

A few things will happen here. It finally ends the standoff. Other people will be automatically involved by being witness. They'll realise you have balls, and have been picked on. They WON'T let anyone but him join in out of common decency. (If they have a shred of decency.) from the sound of it, you will get hurt, but not to the point of the absurd, people won't allow it. (That's why you want others there.)
If this guy keeps on, eventually, others will tell him to layoff - you've had your beating. Because that will make him look like a bully and they'll see him for what he is.

The final bit takes real balls. Shake his hand afterward or take it if he offers to pull you up. Or if anyone else does. Don't pull into a 'sorry for yourself' shell. This will make others think you are a wanker.
This guy could turn into a good friend if you're willing to show him your guts, or you might find an ally among the others.

This is a tough situation. Let it work for you by taking control of it. It's like chess. Think of it as losing a castle or bishop (pretty important pieces) as long as you get a good position it doesn't matter what the loss is. The main part in chess is constantly making your opponent having to react to what you've done, not reacting to their actions. This way will make it your move, on his terms which he can't avoid and limits his choices of action. Aside from the bruises, you'll probably be better off. I'm not writing you off, you may even win given enough determination and a lucky punch, but by facing this adversity you will emerge stronger.

Disclaimer: Remember, you still have option one.

Good luck mate.

I just wanted to offer that as a potential problem with the “anything goes in fights” idea. Of course I also agree with the “give as good as you get” idea, if he knows that you are going to kick him in the junk every time he messes with you maybe he will leave you alone.

Basically, everything I have said boils down to “I have never really been in a fight so I am the last person who should be offering advice.”

Good luck man.

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now, be warned, these outcomes are only gonna happen if you get a clean kick. if you kick to the side or too low, or dont apply enough pressure, it will not be nearly as effective. if you do go for the ball kick, make sure you get as long and hard a kick/push as possible. i.e., if he falls down, place your foot on his crotch, and monkey stomp. YOU DO NOT WANT HIM TO GET BACK UP!! trust me. if he looks like he is recovering, run like hell. i have far too much experience with nut kicking (from both ends) and this is the advice i have to give. consider the consequences before you do it....yeah....good luck.

Interestingly enough, I saw a bunch of teen idiots (these morons have their own webring) at Surfside/Main St the other day, videotaping each other smashing their balls. Idiotic, but relevant to our discussion...if you're interested in seeing the effect of a direct hit.

Oh, and I can't remember who said it, but I'm one of those laugh when he get's hurt guys. I actually got whacked alot because of that in school, but it was cool cause I kind of liked it.

Sorry it's gotten so out of hand, man. Let us know how it turns out.

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Things are pretty much back to normal

thanks guys!

beat his ass

heh

i'll have to change it to somethin i can remember

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