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Topic: What is Evil?
started by: Vulu

Posted by Vulu on Nov. 18 2000,18:42

I'm pretty sure the subject heading is self-explanatory...

-=JB=-

Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 18 2000,20:06

NO IT ISN'T SELF-EXPLANITORY!!!
Do you mean make a list of evil things, or define "evil"?

...dork...

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Posted by CatKnight on Nov. 18 2000,21:17

Posted by Spydir Web on Nov. 18 2000,23:47

god... you're all wrong... My invisible friend Jimmie, who stands 2 feet 4 inches tall and is 80 trillion + years old, is evil. Not "I'mma killa ya" evil, not "Barney" evil, not "cr0bar" evil, not "Britney Spears" evil, but pure, sinister evil. I mean, he made the whole universe by farting (refered to as "The Big Bang"). Just deal with it, this little dude that lives in my toy box is more evil then Bill *cough*satan*cough* Gates herself.

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Posted by askheaves on Nov. 19 2000,04:07

Pure evil is the cumulative effect of all of our darksides.
We will only know true evil when society breaks down... our only barrier to the true evil of man.
Until then, we will just define evil until it satisfies our worst fantasies...
Then, we are surprised by the depths of our fellow man...
Then, we are horrified by our own.

Edit: Made it more dramatic formatting...

This message has been edited by askheaves on November 18, 2000 at 11:19 PM

Posted by Vulu on Nov. 20 2000,12:48

PersonGuy you IDIOT... "What is Evil?" How can I be more blatant and straight forward? WHAT THE FUCK IS EVIL? cr0? You? Your MOTHER?

-=JB=-

Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 20 2000,16:16

So you mean, "WHAT is evil," not, "What IS evil?" Do I have it right now?

Well, calling me an 'idiot' isn't evil, because for something to be 'evil' it has to intentionally want to cause mayhem, and must therefore be a living thing with free-will.

However, I think you were silly to say that the subject was self-explanatory, when it wasn't.

Another example is one time in debate class I was debating a gainst someone on the exploration of space. By was I screwed when he started the debate with, "For thousands of years, humans have been trying to explore space. Relitively little progress has been made, even with geniouses like Sigmond Feud studying it their whole life."

If you're still confused, that makes YOU an idiot. Words have more than one meaning, and inflection is a very important part of the english language.

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on November 20, 2000 at 11:18 AM

Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Nov. 20 2000,21:31

evil is a category constructed by humans to contain things we don't like.

good is a category constructed by humans to contain things we DO like.

therefore, good and evil are highly subjective.

Posted by Sithiee on Nov. 20 2000,23:23

heh. everything is relative.

Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 21 2000,01:32

That's not quite true. Have you ever watched a movie where there's too evil people (guy + gal). They like each other, AND they call each other evil. And that's WHY they like them! Also, a lot of that wicka stuff is about liking evil.

Here's my point:
Catburt = evil entity. He isn't evil by choice. That's just the way he is.

Dogburt = evil lover. He LIKES being evil.

Personally I like Dogburt, even though he IS evil. On the other hand, I don't like Catburt very much.

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Posted by CatKnight on Nov. 21 2000,03:30

hitler was evil. but he was also insane. are those two mutually exclusive? well i know i'm either one or the other if not both hehe.

Posted by kai on Nov. 21 2000,03:46

you try doing what hitler did. see how far you get. not so easy huh

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What if there were no hypothetical questions?

Posted by Vulu on Nov. 21 2000,11:07

quote:
Originally posted by PersonGuy:
So you mean, "WHAT is evil," not, "What IS evil

No. What IS Evil is my question. DEFINE Evil! NOT the way the dictionary would define it. Your definition can be trivial and funny. Or serious and meaningful. I DON'T CARE. You think boy bands are Evil? Fine! You think Kathie-Lee Gifford is Evil Incarnate? Fine! Say what you wanna say...

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-VULU-

This message has been edited by Vulu on November 21, 2000 at 06:09 AM

Posted by Michael on Nov. 21 2000,15:29

Well, as all good Christians know, evil can be recognized by the following characteristics:

Hoofed feet
Pointy tail
Horns
Goatee
Bright red jumpsuit

Posted by askheaves on Nov. 21 2000,16:48

quote:
Originally posted by Michael:
Well, as all good Christians know, evil can be recognized by the following characteristics:
Hoofed feet
Pointy tail
Horns
Goatee
Bright red jumpsuit

Never forget the red pitchfork and the fire in his eyes.

Posted by LazyGit on Nov. 22 2000,05:12

I wish people would stop with calling stuff or people evil, there's no such thing.

The term evil was invented so that religious leaders could ahve an excuse not to deal with unsavoury subjects and people.

People brand serial killers evil. They're not. They're still human beings, they just act differently from other ones. If you label something you negate it and if there's one thing you can't negate, it's other people. By negating serial killers then you're just leaving the door open for others to enter. The police find out the killer's background and realise that it was pretty fucked up. The Omen isn't real, Satan doesn't take on human form, the Devil is as real as God, i.e. not very, in fact not at all.

But, if you want to know what IS evil it's when you buy a Breakdancing Championships video and realise that it's gone completely commercial, it's been sponsored by Levis and Malcolm Mclaren uses the event to try and sell a shit modern remix of Buffalo Gals whilst exploiting some naive B-girls who don't know any better, that's what's evil.
cheers

Posted by Vulu on Nov. 23 2000,16:39

OK, some pretty interesting ideas floating around. Keep 'em coming...

In the next few days: What I think.

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-VULU-

Posted by whiskey@throttle on Nov. 23 2000,19:57

Thanks for the forewarning, Dr. Cranium. I will keep my erudite seatbelt buckled.

p.s. - glad you approve of our performance. We wouldn't want to let you down.

This message has been edited by whiskey@throttle on November 23, 2000 at 03:00 PM

Posted by Vulu on Nov. 23 2000,22:39

quote:
Originally posted by whiskey@throttle:
Thanks for the forewarning, Dr. Cranium. I will keep my erudite seatbelt buckled.

Oh, your wit astounds me... excuse ME for caring about a forum I started... I guess that's reason to be shot...

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-=JB=-
-VULU-

Posted by Spydir Web on Nov. 24 2000,01:43

damn vulu, but from the past week of reading I've done, seems like no one likes you... I guess that would be what evil is, you. I mean, "no one likes evil" or something, and no one likes you...

I dunno, I don't mean any offense by that, just it seems like nobody likes you... Might just be that I need to read more of the threads...

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Posted by whiskey@throttle on Nov. 24 2000,06:09

Dude, it's not my fault Vulu is a < forum nazi. > (notice the unsolicited "threadmaster" leadership skills)

In all honesty, there is no one on here that I actually dislike, though it is highly probable I will disagree and/or get in an argument with every single one of you at one point or another...but heck, that's why I love this place.

But does anyone really give a shit about who starts up a thread? And Vulu, do we really need your superfluous updates?

Good punctuation, Askheaves.

Tomorrow: I will eat a tuna sandwich on rye bread.

I know your type well: a dejected introvert, in control of nothing but the vehemently defended threads you construct as tributes to perverted fantasies of control and global manipulation.

But don't take me too seriously, 'cause I'm just goofin'. And I still love you, mon cherie Vulu.

Tomorrow: How the sandwich tasted.

Posted by incubus on Nov. 24 2000,09:38

quote:
Originally posted by Michael:
Well, as all good Christians know, evil can be recognized by the following characteristics:
Hoofed feet
Pointy tail
Horns
Goatee
Bright red jumpsuit

Apart from the jumpsuit, did you know WHY Christians portrayed evil like this?

In Wicca (witchcraft), they believe that all gods are either aspects of one god or goddess. The god being male represents all that is male and stuff, and hence takes on the appearance of the ram. (goat, horns, hooves, etc.)

To make people steer away from this "evil" religion when christians were promoting their all-new religion, it was easy to make Wicca seem bad by making it's fundimental bases "look evil". For example, Lucifer is an aspect of the male god, and his name means "Light-bringer". Not exactly the prince of Darkness, eh?

Mike

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Posted by Vulu on Nov. 24 2000,13:52

Whiskey, awwww, I love you too... can you sense the sarcasm? But seriously, I don't take anything offensively, and I guess I see your point on who cares who starts threads and my stupid updates. I'll try and be a little more non-newbie...

As for spydir: you're right. Not very many people like me. I suspect it's cuz I'm from Quebec. As a few people have suggested, "You're from Quebec AND you're a fucknugget!" says one person. A name that has escaped me at the moment. But, whatever. I am not bothered by such weak insults.

As for what I think Evil is... "Who the fuck cares?" is pretty much the response I'm getting. Therefore, care not do I... Have a good day.

"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm."

edit:spelling

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-=JB=-
-VULU-

This message has been edited by Vulu on November 24, 2000 at 08:53 AM

Posted by Blowgoats on Nov. 25 2000,02:19

France...Ms. Baker...Whores...oh, yeah and France.

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Posted by Frosty on Nov. 25 2000,04:15

Two replies to two kinda old posts...

Vulu: you said you wanted the "what IS evil" question answered, and then you went on to describe the "WHAT is evil" question. So you're confused. What IS evil would be more like 'the complete and total opposite of good' (i'm tired, sue me) wheras WHAT is evil would be something like boy bands, like you said. Just clearing that up.

As for lazygit, well...there is too evil. Taking someone's life is bad, right? Last I checked. Well, i'd say repeatedly doing extremely bad things, intentionally, is evil. And don't say society made murder evil because it's not like these people were eating them too. They aren't all like Jeff.

Posted by askheaves on Nov. 25 2000,04:21

quote:
Originally posted by whiskey@throttle:
Good punctuation, Askheaves.
Tomorrow: I will eat a tuna sandwich on rye bread.

Thanks, buddy... Sometime next April, I will discuss the use of the ellipsis (...).

Good luck with that sandwich, man. That rye can be a mean mother...
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Edit: I'm fscking inept.

This message has been edited by askheaves on November 24, 2000 at 11:22 PM

Posted by Spydir Web on Nov. 25 2000,05:56

that's a good thing you're not offended... that means I can call you a flaming-colon-cowboy-dike-licking-wannabee-luser and you won't care... just like I did ;P

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Posted by LazyGit on Nov. 25 2000,11:23

I'm not saying that we should excuse people for doing bad things because there's a reason for it but that it's wrong that we do excuse people for doing mass murders and stuff by calling them evil or saying they've got the devil inside them or some other kind of religious, occult crap like that. It's not as if they're getting away with anything by just being branded evil but it just gets on my tits that's all. A desperate woman snatches a baby and she gets called evil because it's someone's baby, you're just objectifying a person.

And people explain away wars and genocides by saying that there's lots of evil in the world but there isn't there's just lots of people acting like people on the edge.
cheers

Posted by Vulu on Nov. 25 2000,21:09

quote:
Originally posted by Spydir Web:
that's a good thing you're not offended... that means I can call you a flaming-colon-cowboy-dike-licking-wannabee-luser and you won't care... just like I did ;P

1. You spelled dyke wrong.
2. You spelled loser wrong.
3. Does this mean I can call you an cunt-assed-piece-of-whore-meat?! Kinda like I just did?

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-VULU-

Posted by Frosty on Nov. 26 2000,01:59

But evil has nothing to do with religion. In my eyes, religion is basically fiction to support good morals. Saying this and this are evil is how you show that things are bad. As for objectification, well, you're not really objectifying the lady by calling her evil. That's more classifying her. I think I know what you mean, but I think 'evil' is just a way to describe something, wheras saying maybe, someone was a member of a gang is a way to objectify them into 'member' status saying that person just did what they were told.
And for wars, saying "Hitler is evil" is basically making a long story short.
Thoughts?

I need a cool signature. Oh well.

Posted by Vulu on Nov. 28 2000,13:15

quote:
Originally posted by Frosty:
I need a cool signature. Oh well.

Don't we all?

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-=JB=-
-VULU-

Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 30 2000,01:30

whiskey@throttle, I died with a big smile on my face and my pants soaked in pee. Thank-you for that...

Vulu, it's ok. I used to be a forum-nazi too! Just look at my first masturbation thread. Everyone seems to grow out of it eventually.
"Bang On!"
-Propellerheads

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Posted by neotope on Nov. 30 2000,01:37

I thought everything was evil.

->neotope
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This message has been edited by neotope on November 29, 2000 at 08:38 PM

Posted by Vulu on Dec. 01 2000,13:14

I am not a forum Nazi! I've started 4 forums! That's nothing in comparison to some other people...

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-=JB=-
-VULU-

Posted by aventari on Dec. 01 2000,14:52

And I thought cr0 was the only one who had started 4 forums!

Posted by Vulu on Dec. 04 2000,16:11

Ha. Ha. Ha.

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-=JB=-
-VULU-

Posted by Blain on Dec. 04 2000,21:20

quote:
Originally posted by Vulu:
What is Evil?
-=JB=-

AOL

Posted by PersonGuy on Dec. 06 2000,23:31

Being a forum Nazi doesn't mean that you start several forums. It means that you badger everyone in your own threads, or force the flow of topics.

EX:
wh4cker: post moer!!!
wh4cker: makk it flame!
wh4cker: fucking fucker fuck *bboom*
wh4cker: !!make the foldr catch on fire!
wh4cker: AZN is! Asian, durrrr
wh4cker: only 2 more for fir yeah
wh4cker: FIRE! I'm drunl! RIRE! I'm druNk!!!!!!111111111111

Most l33r hax0rs have learned that when you start a thread, it's best to treat it like it was started by someone else, not yourself. Unless it's a HELP ME DO SOMETHING or thread or something like that...

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