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Topic: removing superglued heatsink
started by: fatbitch

Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 13 2000,02:58

Hey all, i just got a blue orb hs/fan combo (like a small chrome/gold org from thermaltake, for vid card cpu's). i have a TNT2 (Diamond viper 770) that has a heatsink stuck on it, with i presume some sort of superglue. so i guess im looking for a way to get this HS off without damaging the card, i will take a picture of it and post it shortly. as usual, any help is appreciated

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Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 13 2000,03:15

ok heres the card:

and the side of the heatsink

Posted by askheaves on Nov. 13 2000,04:02

Look, you psycho. I've been drinking tonight, but I recall your never ending crusade to overclock your computer to the point of insanity. Just accept your video card. If the manufactureres expected your card to explode in a blaze of glory, they would have not sold it to you for 轜 AU. Unless you want to get 375 fps on your quake game (the point where epelectic patients don't notice packet loss on your pathetic 28.8 modem), just chill. The best I can recommend is to put a fan on your video card. The heatsink looks exactly like the heatsink on a Slot7 mainboard. just get a fan, and you should be fine. The TNT2 doesn't get hot enough to warrent this type of attention unless it is the crutch of your system.

What next: overclock your soundcard? network card? modem? printer-god-damn-port!!!!

If nothing else, get a bunch of VoodooGraphics card and daisychain them with the TNT card. Ya Freakin Hobo!

Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 13 2000,04:06

actually i did have a fan on it, and it worked really well, i just took it off for the photo

i like getting my money's worth dammit! and the vid card only cost me 赙 AUD about a year and a half ago, its the 16mb ram version thats why

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Posted by Jynx on Nov. 13 2000,19:28

Use a cr0bar. After all, it's "everyone's favoite implement for any task."

Posted by cr0bar on Nov. 13 2000,19:58

What's a Slot7?

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Posted by RenegadeSnark on Nov. 13 2000,20:00

Oh yeah? Word is your penis looks like something that's burnt to a crisp. I also heard various conversation that would suggest your penis's capacity for sex is nonexistant due to your impotence and its lack of length and girth.

Overclock that, fux0r!

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Originally posted by askheaves:
Look, you psycho. I've been drinking tonight, but I recall your never ending crusade to overclock your computer to the point of insanity. Just accept your video card. If the manufactureres expected your card to explode in a blaze of glory, they would have not sold it to you for 轜 AU. Unless you want to get 375 fps on your quake game (the point where epelectic patients don't notice packet loss on your pathetic 28.8 modem), just chill. The best I can recommend is to put a fan on your video card. The heatsink looks exactly like the heatsink on a Slot7 mainboard. just get a fan, and you should be fine. The TNT2 doesn't get hot enough to warrent this type of attention unless it is the crutch of your system.
What next: overclock your soundcard? network card? modem? printer-god-damn-port!!!!
If nothing else, get a bunch of VoodooGraphics card and daisychain them with the TNT card. Ya Freakin Hobo!

Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 13 2000,22:23

nice once jinx

and how do u do that smiley? is there a page soemwhere with all those smileys on it?

and cr0, huh? slot7? i think its the old PII celeron slot, i'm not sure tho

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Posted by reman on Nov. 14 2000,01:22

its probably thermal glue and not super glue. if it was superglue they are spastical and should be shot because then there would be no point sticking the heatsink on it.

anyway to get it off - you should be able to pull it off. be very gentle and try lifting one side at a time.

alternatively - perhaps a more effective cooling method would be to just get a bigger fan that pumps more CFM through, and bolt it onto the existing heatsink.

HTH

reman

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Posted by Lordbrandon on Nov. 14 2000,01:31

apply firm stedy pressure clockwise until it twists of that way your not putting on anything but the glue

Posted by DrunkNigel on Nov. 14 2000,02:15

maybe he ment 'Socket7'

nah...

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Posted by DrunkNigel on Nov. 14 2000,02:16

BTW, m TNT2 gets pretty fucking hot

I burnt my finger on it once or twice

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Posted by askheaves on Nov. 14 2000,03:19

Well, it's about 24 hours after I posted my last opus on this thread, and I think I'm still drunk... ug...

So, I was just having fun, I was referring to a Socket 7 (and I remember having the debate in my inebriated mind at the time and i decided on the one with less letters), was that addressed at me RenegadeSnark?, it's probably not superglue, but if it is (or has similiar properties) then any sheer force should knock it loose (suck as sliding or twisting, but twisting is recommended). Nevertheless, I'm still entertained by the concept of overclocking my printer port and daisy chaining pass-through VoodooGraphics cards (1Meg x 16, and you're back at your 16Meg card!).

PS: You won't burn your finger on your TNT2 if you don't touch it

Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 14 2000,09:33

ok i got it, wedged it out wif a screwdriver, and stuck the blue orb on, check it out now, i had to hacksaw (hehe) the heatsinks to get them to fit around the big one

and in the computer

oh yeah

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Posted by DrunkNigel on Nov. 14 2000,11:36

I still fail to see the point of this, sure the tnt2 gets hot, but the heatsink can hold it's own, even when overclocking it a bit.

BTW, me burning my finger was ment to contrast how hot it actually was

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Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 14 2000,12:34

the heatsink does not do fine on its own! it overheated and crashed even wwithout overclocking, i just stuck a small fan on it and it made a huge difference. now i can overclock it to the point of 10-15fps difference at 1024x768x32bpp, now tell me that isnt worth it!

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Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 14 2000,17:11

its stuck on pretty freakin hard, i think it is like thermal gel with super glue around it, im nto really sure, but im terrified of breaking something, is that the cpu its directly attached to do you know?

thanks again

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Posted by kai on Nov. 14 2000,22:51

it isn't worth it

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Posted by aventari on Nov. 14 2000,23:20

it's _always_ worth it! dont listen to 'em fatbitch, do whatever you want to YOUR video card.

I have a watercooled celery300a and sometimes people at work will poke fun at me for it, but deep down they're all jealous they dont have the nads to try it.

The best way to learn is by doing. So keep overclocking.

BTW for future reference, to get heatsinks like that off, run the card as hard as you can, get it REALLY hot--play UT or Q3 for hours if you have to (i know it's a tough job..) and then get the tip of a small flatblade screwdriver between the chip and the heatsink and twist the screwdriver, popping the heatsink off.

The manufacturers usually use a sort of 'thermal glue' to hold the heatsinks on. It results in crappy thermal conductivity and poor cooling of the proccessor. your better off removing it and using thermal grease (if you can hold the heatsink on some other way) or thermal tape. (not as good as grease/goop but still good)

HTH!

I like the ram heatsinks, i did the same w/ my geforce2mx, how did you attach them??

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Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 14 2000,23:37

thanks av

i will remember that for next time (about popping it off), thats a good bit of lateral thinking

i stuck the little heatsinks (aswell as the blue orb) with thermal gel in the middle and superglue around the edges (the theory is that there is best conductivity + best sticking)

i ran the unreal flyover last night with the vid card at 180cpu, 185ram (190 made it put crap all over the screen, and quake went exactly like cr0's geforce) and when i got up this morning unreal had crashed (you gotta expect that from windows) but windows was still up... not bad (my cpu is at 964 aswell)

but i digress... kai, can you seriously say the difference between 30fps and 41fps (what i get in quake 1 with the overclocked card) is not worth it? plus its very satisfying when something you put effort into like that works, and evenbetter when you cna show it off

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Posted by reman on Nov. 15 2000,00:08

prittee!!!

Posted by Sithiee on Nov. 15 2000,00:42

maybe (this is just a shot in the dark) you could use some thermal tape to attach the heatsink, and put thermal grease on the rest of the chip? and no, i dont have the nads to OC, but more importantly, i dont have the funds to fix anything i fuck up...

Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 15 2000,02:16

its an idea... but its already on now and i couldnt be botherd to change

thanks for the suggestion tho, and dont be afraid to overclock, the only thing you can damage (and i am being serious) is your fingers if you touch a heatsink thats too hot. cpu's are designed these days so they shut themselves down (i.e crash) before they get to temperatures high enough to do any damage. so give it a go, the worst that will happen is a reboot. or 10

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Posted by Observer on Nov. 15 2000,18:05

Maybe I'm the only one that noticed this, but there aren't any heat sinks on the memory chips in the first picture of the vid card. Or were you using another card for the picture?

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Posted by jim on Nov. 15 2000,18:08

It looks like he cracked the stock heat sink and put them on the individual mem mods.

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Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 16 2000,00:18

its the same vid card in both pics, i bought these tiny little heatsinks for the ram aswell as the blue orb for the cpu. the little heatsinnks were only ũ.50 (aus dollar) each, so why not

i had to cut 2 of them up to get them to fit around the blue orb too

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Posted by reman on Nov. 16 2000,02:25

you do know the memory will never get hot enough to for heat to be a factor?

what determines the maximum overclockability is the speed rating for your tnt2 its probably 6ns sdram, in which case if you get over 166mhz you are doing well

Posted by Lordbrandon on Nov. 16 2000,03:52

How much is the aus dollar compared to the us?

now that that trans pacific pipeline is done you can get some decent calafornia counter strike servers

Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 16 2000,10:52

reman: i know, its just the coolness factor

and brandon, 50 US cents to aus dollar, i.e 75c each for you

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Posted by Jynx on Nov. 16 2000,20:14

quote:
Originally posted by fatbitch:
nice once jinx and how do u do that smiley? is there a page soemwhere with all those smileys on it?

OK, so I've been away from the machine for awhile.

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BTW, I don't have the funding for o/c, but I do know that you CAN damage equipment permanently, despite built-in safety precautions--you build enough heat, it will kill stuff.

--J

Posted by Chucklz on Nov. 26 2000,00:43

For everyone using superglue. Superglue as most of us call it is a cyanoacrylate ester. It will polymerize with the addition of -HO groups. It is a polar molecule, and will not bond well to most non-polar substances.

What this means for everyone who doesn't have a damn clue about what I just said, is that it uses water (mostly in the air around us) to cure. And that it doesnt do shit for some plastics etc when theres no moisture in the air. So everyone who is using some sort of superglue to stick things in ther boxes might like to know that a 5 minute epoxy will probably do the job much better.

Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 26 2000,09:00

ok i dont mean to sound stupid, but wtf is epoxy? every american talks about it, but i dont have a damn clue what you are talking about

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Posted by Sithiee on Nov. 26 2000,18:33

thats awesome...i didnt know what epoxy was...im american though...does this make me only like half american or somethin?

Posted by fatbitch on Nov. 26 2000,22:21

aaaah ok i get you now, i have used that stuff before, here its called areldite (though i think thats a brand name, not the actual name for it)

thanks man

Posted by reman on Nov. 27 2000,02:40

fatcbitch - yes arildite(sp?) is what he is talking about, it is a form of epoxy resin. basically you have two tubes one contains the resin and the other the hardener. when you mix them together, it sets off chemical reaction which hardens and bonds the two things that you stuck it to together. clear? good.

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Posted by Chucklz on Nov. 27 2000,05:33

Ahhh epoxy. It is a two part cement. Usually it comes in two tubes. You mix the two together according to the directions (usually half and half) and then the two components undergo a reaction that makes the strongest bond you can imagine.