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Topic: Planning new system
started by: Hellraiser

Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 22 2000,22:50

I'm planning on getting a new system soon, and wanted to know if anyone knows if ASUS P3V is a good board. I am getting a PIII 800 and will be using a Geforce 2 GTS graphics card. I plan to do some overclocking as well. Any advice? Thanks.

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Posted by marc c on Jun. 23 2000,01:20

If you can, it might be worth waiting for the new AMD and Intel chips to come out soon. It looks like an interesting chip war is brewing, and AMD has a good chance of taking the lead.

Posted by eng_man on Jun. 23 2000,02:11

If you don't feel like waiting quite a few number of months I think a PIII 800 will serve you just fine. At the very most the fancy new chips everyone is coming out with will take you from 100fps to 110fps (you get the idea.) With the GF2 it's already gonna be pushin some pretty high frame rates and anything else will be merely for bragging rights.

GL w/ the new system ... and be sure to o/c the hell outta it ;)

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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 23 2000,02:19

AMD has little chance of taking the lead, at least as of now. first off, intel is straight up superior. intel has many more manufacturing plants, so they can supply a lot faster than AMD. besides that, intel is a much more trusted brand among the masses than AMD. i mean if you were about to go buy a monitor, and your choice was between a sony and a farfenugen, same price, seemingly same quality, which would you buy? chances are the sony. most people buying things take brand name as a very important factor. plus, AMD's chips are no longer superior to those of intel at the same speed. AMD has a long long long way to go before it beats intel.

Posted by Willy Pete on Jun. 23 2000,06:19

I have the P3V4X. Lovely board. No problems so far. I run a Cel533 on it till I upgrade to a p3. It has a great probe program that depending on the other parts can monitor your fans, temp, voltage etc and warn you of problems. I have it set to start up on the space bar and all sorts of neat stuff.
It has all the bus space you need for a while and has a proven chipset.
Using it with a TNT2 m64 and have none of the problems some other users have reported with their NVIDIA chipset v-cards. The two work great with the 4x AGP. Do yourself a favor and get the latest drivers though.

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Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 23 2000,11:24

Thanks for all the tips guys, since I won't have enough money to get it right away, I've just been looking. I might wind up waiting, but my 450 is starting to cramp my style now.

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Posted by eng_man on Jun. 23 2000,11:46

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Originally posted by Hellraiser:
I might wind up waiting, but my 450 is starting to cramp my style now.

Then o/c the bitch ^_^

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Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 23 2000,11:55

It's already at 504, and won't go any higher. See my topic overclocking tips here: < http://www.detonate.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000070.html >

I used to be able to hit 124 FSB with my old motherboard, but the new one doesn't support that. And the PC100 RAM doesn't want to hit 133.

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Posted by marc c on Jun. 23 2000,12:57

Intel has already stated that in order to stay competitive with AMD they will be aiming there next chips at the "midend" market. This might mean that Intel will start to be associated with cheap systems, and AMD with high-end ones... who knows.

As for Intel's mfg plants, we've seen both companies not being able to meet demand in the recent past... I don't think that will make a differance.

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Originally posted by Sithiee:
AMD has little chance of taking the lead, at least as of now. first off, intel is straight up superior. intel has many more manufacturing plants, so they can supply a lot faster than AMD. besides that, intel is a much more trusted brand among the masses than AMD. i mean if you were about to go buy a monitor, and your choice was between a sony and a farfenugen, same price, seemingly same quality, which would you buy? chances are the sony. most people buying things take brand name as a very important factor. plus, AMD's chips are no longer superior to those of intel at the same speed. AMD has a long long long way to go before it beats intel.

Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 23 2000,13:58

mid-end is still what you would probably consider performance systems....a dual 1 ghz pc is mid-end. high end is sun microsystems and stuff like that.

intel does meet demands, it just meets it in a different way. AMD sells mostly to stores who sell them to you, and that sa large percentage of their business. intel sells not only to stores to sell to you, but also to a whole lot of brand name system companies, i.e. dell, micron, gateway, compaq etc...so theyve been able to meet that demand and still stay pretty close to AMD, so they do have a massive superiority by way of manufacturing.

Posted by XaSERaX on Jun. 23 2000,15:47

i waiting a few more months till i upgrade from this old 750, i can sell my crap back to ibm then buy a cheap machine and hook it up again for under 800,

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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 23 2000,18:57

old 750???? you whore, id be glad to have a 750

Posted by Kayy on Jun. 23 2000,21:29

Just to add a little fuel here, I want to see what people think on the development front.

Intel already have their Wilamette (sp?) chip in development with a clock speed of 1.5ghz and an FPU (math. co-pro) speed of 3ghz (twice proc. speed) where AMD havent even press-released anything to counteract on this speed increase.

And the article I read on Intel's new chip stated that although the new processor was only at 1.5ghz in testing, it would be a whole lot faster (probably in my guess about 2-3x faster) when it hits production, and that whatever the speed of the processor, the FPU would always be twice that again.

If you want to read the report (if you haven't already) then feel free to < Follow this link >

I just thought this might stop someone going out and buying an 800mhz processor system now, when the boundaries of 2ghz will be broken in less than 6 months.
(My reasoning in the 6 months part is that the speed and power of everything tends to double, sometimes triple, in 6 months time.)

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Posted by Nero on Jun. 24 2000,14:22

moore's law. named after the founder (cofounder?) of intel. processor speeds will double every 18 mos. i think they (the man, firingsquad, etc) said that in video cards they've actually outpaced the law.

the t-bird 750s are out running the p3 800's and for about ten bucks more than a cumine 650e. course that 750 won't go but 5 to 10mhz over the 100mhz bus speed, while the 650e can reach farther. then it's just a matter of do you want the t-bird's extra cache.

i'm going with one of those (probably) in august. maybe i'll upgrade to a new mobo/proc next summer when i can get 1.5+ gigahertz speed.

Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 25 2000,00:04

dude, when moore made his law (way back in the day) video cards didnt have processors of the same relative strength as they do today. basically any vid card would do, as long as it did vga,svga, whatever. thusly moore's law doesnt apply to vid card processors, only cpus. also, you forgot to point out that the law mentions a barrier. electricity only moves so fast (1/3 speed of light) so eventually you hit a barrier. thats why theyre doing all that experimentation with DNA computers.

Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 26 2000,00:34

But that barrier is still a long way off. And after we reach it, we can still make things go faster by brute force. When we can't make the processors run any faster, we make them cheaper and put more of them in our machines, and work on additional ways to develope applications to split tasks between multiple processors.

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Posted by Hellraiser on Jul. 05 2000,15:17

Sorry to bring up an old post, but another way they could make computers faster would be to use light instead of electricity as a means of calculating. Theoretically you could reach phenominal speeds with light travelling less than a thousandth of an inch per calculation.

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Posted by eng_man on Jul. 06 2000,21:04

A few days ago at work we were dicussing how fast computer could theoretically get. I think it it was about 1000 TeraHertz.

Considering I was talking with some physicists I'm going to assume they knew what they were talking about ^_^

To bad that's just "in theory"

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Posted by k00gs on Jul. 07 2000,07:16

BP6 motherboard with dual high end celerons. cheap as anything. great for overclocking if you're poor like me

Posted by aventari on Jul. 07 2000,16:21

well, you guys have heard of quantum computers right? This seems the most promising to me. using the spin of atomic particles, they can do calculations. and since there are 4 different states the atom (i think they're atoms) could be in, it wouldn't be just 1's and 0's, it wouldn't be binary anymore. it'd be much more powerful

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Posted by rig_hater on Jul. 07 2000,22:22

the asus p3v4x is our best selling mobo currently. it has a 133 mhz fsb, 4x agp, and performs great. as for processors, definitely wait till september - that's when the >1ghz ones are supposed to hit the main market.

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Posted by jptech on Jul. 08 2000,00:38

I don't know if any of you have actaully seen the Willamette chip/board combo, but they are freaking sweet!

If you have the patience wait a little while and get one of the 1.5GHz Pentium 4's with the 400MHz FSB. It's what I'm holding out for.

I personally would not buy any AMD filth. But I suppose it's loyalty.

PLEASE NOTE: I speak for myself, and not my employer (who shall remain known only as the "World's Number 1 Chip Maker"

Posted by Hellraiser on Jul. 08 2000,19:54

/me notes that jptech is prejudiced:

AMD and INTEL are comparable, each with their strengths and weaknesses. One is cheaper and easier on the wallet, the other is more expensive and better with graphics/multimedia. As soon as the VIA chipset matures, they'll both be on equal ground.

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Posted by jptech on Jul. 08 2000,20:17

But prejudiced with a smile =)

I have never had any luck with other people's chips. I used to have a Cyrix with a big friggin thermal heatsink and a few add'l case fan's, and the damned thing still kept overheating and crashing on me (gotta love win95).
My Mom's computer has an AMD in it (gag!) and it is, quite frankly, a piece of shit. I won't say that the Athalon (sp?) isn't nice, I know a few people that have them and they are quite quick (if you can stomach the US񘋰 WHOLESALE price).

My main point there was that I have *ahem* "unofficially" seen processors/mobo's that blow my mind, and they they are coming soon, and that it'll be worth the wait.

Again, to cover my you-know-what: I speak for myself here, and not my employer - and I ain't talking about Motorola here =)