Topic: What is Art?
started by: editor
Posted by editor on Jun. 02 2002,02:20
Why do I go to galleries and feel ripped off?I didn't spend anything.
So what is art?
Posted by Uberkommando on Jun. 02 2002,03:06
Art galleries can't capture art; just the paintings. It's the feeling and atmosphere that the artist is in, or how much of himself that the artist puts into the work that makes it art. Museums just trade paintings like so much meat and money.Art, as I see it, is a simple aesthetic appreciation for your surroundings. I find a lot of art when I'm not looking for it -- subtleties, precarious situations (ahem), and simply my environment convey a sense or artistic meaning.
Museums don't do art any justice for me -- just a collection of paintings and sculptures meant to entertain the 'intellectuals.' I find more art when I see the light reflecting off an old mirror onto a record collection in my dad's old attic than I do in a crowded museum.
Posted by ^Evil_Matt^ on Jun. 02 2002,06:10
< http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/dunford_apr21.html >Is this art?
some excerpts.....
"...But then, there are smarter ways of getting an "A" in art class than skinning a live cat."
"The horrific video, in which an art student and his pal skin a cat alive, pluck out its eye, pull off its ear with pliers. Slit it, stab it, kick it, hang it with cord while the animal mews for mercy."
"The dialogue on the tape? "Beautiful, man." "Let's tack it to a wall." "Whoa, look at his intestines.""
"The fact that an earlier stunt, in which the same 22-year-old slaughtered a chicken and ate it, got him a "A" in art school?"
""Accused stabs the animal with a large buck knife. This is done with the cat crying throughout ... (he) lifts the cat's legs and begins to skin it from its belly ... 'Beautiful man.' The cat mews and lifts its paw. Pliers used to remove an ear. Accused saws at cat's throat. Accused uses a dental tool to remove the animal's eye. The cat shrieks in pain ... 'Let's find its heart.' ""
"The cat-skinner hoped to post his killing video on a Web site, along with crude comics and links to the "top 100 rape videos." The psychiatrist who assessed him judged his subject to be bright, sensation-seeking, a non-conformist who "may believe he is special."
"Aren't all artists?" deadpans Froggie."
Should special provisions be made for these 'artists'? even with beauty being in the eye of the beholder, is this art? imo this is alot worse than testing drugs on animals.... mabye PETA, RSPCA, etc., should start lobbying the art industry...
On a lighter note, i remember reading this article in a newspaper about an exhibit at the museum of modern art. It was assorted peices of trash on a table. Thinking someone had made a mess, the cleaner threw it away. It was reconstructed from pictures taken of it.
I guess what is one man's trash is another man's treasure.
Posted by Wiley on Jun. 02 2002,07:00
I believe are should be pleasing ...it does not please me to see a cat being skinned. Dali ...now that man is a genius, by far some of my favorites. I don't like most impressionism but I'm big time in surrealism ...I have an eclectic pallet for art. I just know what I like when I see it.
Posted by Vigilante on Jun. 02 2002,07:20
omfg... those bastards should be skinned and gutted alive (and not just for being canadian 
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Posted by Nikita on Jun. 02 2002,07:32
| Quote (Wiley @ 02 June 2002,02:00) |
| I believe are should be pleasing ...it does not please me to see a cat being skinned. Dali ...now that man is a genius, by far some of my favorites |
Dali - awesome
Escher - cool art that teases your mind
H.R. Giger - damn cool
Torturing animals is pretty disturbing
Though I did want to see that sectioned cow ...
Not really particular to the elephant dung madonna
Mutter Museum was creepy and cool ...
It's hard to dictate what's pleasing. People have varying preferences. What's cool for some can be disturbing or controversial to others.
Posted by Beastie Dr on Jun. 02 2002,07:43
live is goo and warm scratch itch
Posted by Vigilante on Jun. 02 2002,08:30
www.chadbeattystudios.comI have prints of Garden of Truth and Logos. That's my kind of art. Cool guy too; met him on another board.
Posted by DuSTman on Jun. 02 2002,08:35
I have a sort of irreverence towards a lot of art. I mean surely there's a difference between being able to make a good decoration and being able to make an accurate depiction of a real scene; Looking at the mona lisa, for example, I admit it shows a lot of talent in its painting, but I don't actually find myself particularly uplifted or entertained by looking at it as such.cr0bar's banner that was at the top of the page on his "cataclysm" layout was much more like it to me..
(edit) and hooray for the cat killers. I probably wouldn't find it a particularly nice thing to look at, but I can only applaud the killing of cats. Cats suck.
Posted by Cyrino on Jun. 02 2002,09:14
To me, art is the weird but kick ass sculptures my g/f makes out of stuff. She's made an angel and a Jimmi Hendrix statue out of old melted vinyl records. She also made a lampshade all out of Donny Osmond records. She also has a knack for making really cool bongs out of rubber duckies and stuff like that.
Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 02 2002,15:00
| Quote (editor @ 01 June 2002,21:20) |
| Why do I go to galleries and feel ripped off? I didn't spend anything. So what is art? |
Art is an abstract thought that eats at a person till he gives it physical form.
Posted by kuru on Jun. 02 2002,16:13
And deliberately causing suffering to a sentient life form is not a valid expression of that abstract idea.Or
Next week kuru goes to Canada to express her abstract idea by performing ritual castration and flaying alive the art students who thought it was 'cool' to toture a cat.
Posted by Wiley on Jun. 02 2002,17:48
| Quote (DuSTman @ 02 June 2002,00:35) |
| Looking at the mona lisa, for example, I admit it shows a lot of talent in its painting, but I don't actually find myself particularly uplifted or entertained by looking at it as such. |
The Mona Lisa is famous for it's history and the artist that painted it ...in itself it is not considered one of the greatest works of art.
Posted by PersonGuy on Jun. 02 2002,19:01
baaaaaaaaa! 
You fools! EYEYEYE....
Posted by veistran on Jun. 02 2002,19:51
| Quote (^Evil_Matt^ @ 02 June 2002,00:10) |
| < http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/dunford_apr21.html > Is this art? some excerpts..... "...But then, there are smarter ways of getting an "A" in art class than skinning a live cat." "The horrific video, in which an art student and his pal skin a cat alive, pluck out its eye, pull off its ear with pliers. Slit it, stab it, kick it, hang it with cord while the animal mews for mercy." "The dialogue on the tape? "Beautiful, man." "Let's tack it to a wall." "Whoa, look at his intestines."" "The fact that an earlier stunt, in which the same 22-year-old slaughtered a chicken and ate it, got him a "A" in art school?" ""Accused stabs the animal with a large buck knife. This is done with the cat crying throughout ... (he) lifts the cat's legs and begins to skin it from its belly ... 'Beautiful man.' The cat mews and lifts its paw. Pliers used to remove an ear. Accused saws at cat's throat. Accused uses a dental tool to remove the animal's eye. The cat shrieks in pain ... 'Let's find its heart.' "" "The cat-skinner hoped to post his killing video on a Web site, along with crude comics and links to the "top 100 rape videos." The psychiatrist who assessed him judged his subject to be bright, sensation-seeking, a non-conformist who "may believe he is special." "Aren't all artists?" deadpans Froggie." Should special provisions be made for these 'artists'? even with beauty being in the eye of the beholder, is this art? imo this is alot worse than testing drugs on animals.... mabye PETA, RSPCA, etc., should start lobbying the art industry... On a lighter note, i remember reading this article in a newspaper about an exhibit at the museum of modern art. It was assorted peices of trash on a table. Thinking someone had made a mess, the cleaner threw it away. It was reconstructed from pictures taken of it. I guess what is one man's trash is another man's treasure. |
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if sometime in the future he works his way up to homocide and says that it was for art.
To me, while art can be just about anything, if you want me to pay money for it, it had better be visually and/or aurally pleasing.
Posted by editor on Jun. 02 2002,21:22
I know it's just a cat but I would KILL anyone who harms a putty tat.
Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 02 2002,21:28
| Quote (veistran @ 02 June 2002,14:51) |
| I wouldn't be surprised in the least if sometime in the future he works his way up to homocide and says that it was for art. |
Been done.
I have made some shots that were works of art. More modern dance than say painting.
Speaking of giving something physical form this topic has got me started on yet another bot and kicked out plans for a rebuild of my walker.
Thanks editor, the mrs may be hunting you down soon since the living room is now quite a mess.
B5 movies and building dangerous toys. This is a great sunday!
Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 02 2002,21:30
| Quote (kuru @ 02 June 2002,11:13) |
| And deliberately causing suffering to a sentient life form is not a valid expression of that abstract idea. Or Next week kuru goes to Canada to express her abstract idea by performing ritual castration and flaying alive the art students who thought it was 'cool' to toture a cat. |
You can drop the senitent part and its is still valid.
Let me know if you need someone to cover your exit. I feel like doing some abstract wall paintings in red...
Posted by DuSTman on Jun. 03 2002,09:16
I don't think killing cats is always unreasonable. Our neighbor, for example, has one. This particular neighbors back yard is completely paved over, so when it needs to take a dump, guess where it comes? Yes, you guessed it, it digs up a section of my mothers garden and leaves a "present" in it. So then we put netting over all the plants to try and ensure it couldn't get to them. Did that work? Did it fuck. just rips the netting.
Then there's the trash. If we have chicken or fish for dinner this thing *will* force its way into the rubbish bags to get at the carcass, and leave a jolly mess in doing so.
If you must buy a cat, please bear in mind that it will make its "territory" in not only your back yard but typically that of your two closest neighbors as well, and often further than that. It's only fair to consult them about it.
If someone procured a device that periodically dug up your garden and ripped your rubbish bags, you'd think of it as a hostile act. Would you not? You'd think you'd be not too unreasonable in removing it from commission.. Would you not?
No different with a living one.
So we have taken the following strategy: If having chicken or fish for dinner, apply rat poison to the carcass before throwing it out. Hopefully that'll fucking learn it.
If I catch the thing I'm going to rape it up the pooper with a glowing hot coal.
Posted by kuru on Jun. 03 2002,12:17
Killing an animal that belongs to you humanely isn't a problem.Torturing an animal for the purpose of videotape, whether you own it or not, is a huge one.
Wolf, I may take you up on that offer.