Forum: The Classroom Topic: DYSORDERIA! started by: liquid metal Posted by liquid metal on Apr. 03 2002,21:43
What the hell? Detnet has NEVER had locked topics before. NEVER. I have NEVER seen a locked topic in this place before. And then all of a sudden you're here, you become an Admin, and topics start getting locked?! What the hell. If the community feels that a topic is bullshit it will not be locked, it'll just be ignored. I don't think the community needs to have someone to lock topics. So please stop
Posted by TonyDennis on Apr. 03 2002,21:47
I remember a few locked topics. I think the one about posting porn got locked... there were others.What I don't remember is Dysorderia being liked. Posted by ic0n0 on Apr. 03 2002,21:57
I had admin for a little while and i locked the threads regarding my friends suicide.
Posted by editor on Apr. 03 2002,22:14
There have been a couple or 3 locked threads since I got here.Dys will be ok when he gets over the rush of being an admin. Posted by veistran on Apr. 03 2002,22:17
funny, I don't remember that too. Posted by kuru on Apr. 03 2002,23:44
I also don't remember that along with you guys.
Posted by Uberkommando on Apr. 03 2002,23:55
Ooh, do me next! Do me!
Posted by just_dave on Apr. 04 2002,00:17
My memory is lacking as well...-dave PS Kuru you never icqed me Posted by DuSTman on Apr. 04 2002,00:41
I don't see why the moderators have to be someone that's well liked. As long as they don't get pissy and start deleting criticisms of themselves..
Posted by editor on Apr. 04 2002,01:01
That is an interesting idea. *poof*
Posted by CatKnight on Apr. 04 2002,01:14
i dont know why im not admin anymore.
Posted by editor on Apr. 04 2002,01:21
A: I sent you an email when that happened.B: A whole lot of people aren't admins anymore. C: It looks like maybe Dys changed something internal and now I can't make *anyone* an admin. Um, Dys? Posted by liquid metal on Apr. 04 2002,02:55
rofl.sounds like he fucked the config file. why admins, why not just make mods? you should go to phpBB2 it's coming out in final release tomorrow afternoon, i believe. it's nice. very nice. skinning it is kinda hard though. i don't have enough patience for it i remember 1 locked topic about your friend's suicide but i've been reading the forums for ~1 year now. i don't remember any others. Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 04 2002,03:04
i haven't touched the config file... Posted by liquid metal on Apr. 04 2002,03:06
you don't have to.if you change settings too fast in iB it mixes them up. heh. No, I'm not accusing you of hacking the site. Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 04 2002,03:24
ok, hopefully now there shouldn't be any more problems.. Posted by editor on Apr. 04 2002,03:27
LM, that was interesting to find out! I have to say Dys got right on the issue and fixed everything immediately. I like that. It was another of those innocent changes one makes that changes something somewhere else on the IB. I did that too.I promised Kuru admin status so long ago I forgot! Sorry Kuru. Posted by TonyDennis on Apr. 04 2002,03:37
So .... why again is Dysorderia an admin? Last I knew it was more probable him being "syph0nized" than being granted administrator privileges.And why was CatKnight removed? I never saw him do anything that someone took offense to. Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 04 2002,03:44
CatKnight had his admin status removed because he abused it by editing out an insulting picture i had created directed at him. Posted by TonyDennis on Apr. 04 2002,03:50
Haha, a fair enough reason (seriously, it's funny he deleted it, though).You'd think after all the other flames he got he'd be used to it by now. I always thought he was pretty cool and a fair sport, at least. Posted by editor on Apr. 04 2002,03:56
I gave admin to a few people to see what they would do with it. CK didn't do much, nor did ic0n0, and I decided to rotate some admin posts and eliminate some as there were too many.Mr D has done a ton of adminning! Not all to my taste, but like a pair of new leather shoes, it takes some time. Just because someone is no longer admin doesn't mean they won't get it again either. PTL was an admin for a week and gave it back since she didn't want to do admin stuff. Never know. You, reading this, may be an admin someday. Posted by Uberkommando on Apr. 04 2002,04:08
Ha ha ha ha! God save us from the day when the 'Kommando becomes a detnet admin.But seriously -- what happened to PTL anyway? She abandon us, too? Posted by editor on Apr. 04 2002,04:45
Yah, she was around 3-4 weeks ago for a couple posts, can look it up if you like... she said she might visit now and then. Hellraiser says he doesn't post at all anywhere, but maybe he was being polite.I would like to add that I have respect for CK and admire anyone who's going to be a nuclear scientist. I wish him the best in all things and am glad he's around... Posted by veistran on Apr. 04 2002,04:46
let's put it this way, when we say we don't like him it generally means he annoys us enough that we wouldn't trust him to have the ability to edit other people's posts let alone have admin rights. Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 04 2002,05:15
and who exactly is 'we' referring to? Posted by veistran on Apr. 04 2002,05:28
it's the royal we.
Posted by TonyDennis on Apr. 04 2002,14:06
No way! Ther Royal Family visits detnet? You've got to be kidding!
Posted by editor on Apr. 04 2002,19:47
Detnet's Royal Family.... Posted by ic0n0 on Apr. 04 2002,20:49
Do i get to ware those too?
Posted by fatalbert on Apr. 04 2002,22:16
those must be painful
Posted by Beldurin on Apr. 05 2002,00:25
I just think it would've been funny if Dys had locked this topic...
Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 05 2002,00:33
not that i would, because i don't want to come off as being a forum nazi/dictator
Posted by Spydir on Apr. 05 2002,01:20
a little late for that, don't you think?
Posted by CatKnight on Apr. 05 2002,01:47
yeah i dont think dys should be an admin at all, for the sole reason that he removed me frm being admin just because he didn't like something i did. only editor should be able to decide who is and who is not an admin, it is not up to you to remove me.
Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,02:05
Jeez, I do have to follow Dys around a little bit, but it's getting better. Actually I did rotate you CK, and a bunch more.Dys did have a good idea to resusitate the moderators group; maybe you might take a look at who is in charge of the Geek Forum. He also expanded the abilities of the moderators. Go ahead CK, take a look. Posted by CatKnight on Apr. 05 2002,03:30
whoopty doo. there is zero reason to have a moderator for the geek forum.
Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,03:49
How about Rants, then?
Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 05 2002,04:07
tough shit. Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 05 2002,04:08
perhaps Posted by just_dave on Apr. 05 2002,04:24
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Makes no difference to you, because you have admin status .. i could care less about having it.. just funny that .. it dont matter now that you have admin status .. but any other time, you would be whining. I hate people on power trips....its so stupid, "I dont like so and so, hmm im an admin .. BAN" I think an person that is an admin should get it because they deserve it not because they are good technically or been here a while, they need to be quality admins. -dave Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 05 2002,05:24
God, you really are a moron CK... what makes you think that I removed your admin status? Posted by Rhydant on Apr. 05 2002,06:22
since when in the BLOODY hell is dsyorderia part of the admin?not that i really care, but you could of picked a better person to be a mod, editor. Posted by DELUDED_BIPED on Apr. 05 2002,06:37
this coming from a person who locked out a thread where 2 people (kuru and I) where having a little fun with bashing on each other.......hmmm Posted by Beldurin on Apr. 05 2002,06:39
Isn't it nice that Rhydant still pops up every once in a while to bitch about something? I missed you, old boy!
Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 05 2002,06:41
funny, i wouldn't call rabid back-and-forth insults 'having a little fun'. Posted by CatKnight on Apr. 05 2002,06:42
i think only editor and incubus should be admins. after that have 1 mod for each board.
Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,06:44
Dys does need some polish in social skills, but he has been in the back end of admin stuff every single night since he got it. Even I don't do that. If Dys screws the pooch, I can find someone else here. So far, he's doing ok.Dys, as an admin it's a little more harsh to call someone a moron. You can do that more freely when you're not an admin. Remember that I keep a 2nd avatar/name kbreak? It's for shit like that. Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 05 2002,06:44
since when did you become the 'decision-maker' for detnet? Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,06:50
Mr Dys, he *is* allowed to have an opinion.In light of recent history, perhaps it would be more efficient to not attack CK so openly. What I find most bestest is to ask a leading question. You could've asked, "Oh, CK, now you're interested in admin stuff?" The sarcasm is stealthed a little by it being a question. I know I could practice more subtlety. I love that line I captioned the Hansons with; "3 guys sharing 3 nuts" Gawd I love me... Ok, I'm done. Posted by CatKnight on Apr. 05 2002,06:52
it was a suggestion, not a decision. and since when have you spoken for the general voice of detnet? Posted by Beldurin on Apr. 05 2002,06:57
<Yul Brynner> So let it be written...so let it be done! </Yul Brynner>
Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,07:00
I get this for trying to defuse the situation? I'm not sure anyone has been the voice of the detnet community. There are too many disparate opinions here. I don't recall you asking for admin, I just thought at the time that the person who had the most posts would know the most of what's going on, in the IB. You are moderator of the Classroom, which I guess would be 75% of what goes on here. I've recently been learning that a concensus doesn't get much done here, and I've been slowly adopting more of a leadership posture. Ergo, I don't speak for all of detnet, I speak for me and my desires here. Posted by DELUDED_BIPED on Apr. 05 2002,07:00
you should see me when I am angry Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 05 2002,07:02
never. but then again, im only doing what editor wants done, so if you don't like that, ignore what im doing and live in your own little dream-world Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,07:12
"only doing what ed. wants done"That's pretty accurate with the internal admin stuff. There's something else I want done. I would like you to consider existing in harmony with those on detnet you don't care for. For the most part I get along with everyone. Can you? If I thought you couldn't, I wouldn't have asked. Along the way I have deliberately passed up some obvious insults since I didn't believe fighting would help anything. Ever notice that fighting begets fighting? How about Palestine right now? I have an idea. General Patton is the most famous US general of WWII. Mr D, can you tell me what happened to him right after the war? Tell me about his relationship with his boss, Eisenhower. Do that and I change the subject. Otherwise, drop the CK thing, let it go, cease, be at peace. Posted by Beldurin on Apr. 05 2002,07:13
Normally I stay out of this sort of thing, but here goes:Dys is an admin. Admin's aren't required to be liked, they're just required to administrate. Period. I haven't noticed anything too messed up. Locked topics, yes? Oh well...if it was that important to you, start a new thread and pick up the convo where it left off. The world hasn't ended. Sure, ed's made some mistakes, too, but the important thing is that the forums didn't die when detnet changed hands...there is definitely something to be said for that. CK, you don't like Dys, right? Dys, you don't like CK, right? Kuru, you don't like either of them, right? So what? Accept that you can't stand each other, and move on. At least find something new and interesting to flame each other about. Sheesh. Posted by DELUDED_BIPED on Apr. 05 2002,07:19
I did. Why does all of the shit have to land on me when it hits the fan! I THINK I'M GONNA CRY! *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA* Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,07:21
Dammit Mr Beldurin, you even write better than me. Thanx! For the record, I am within an inchof locking this thread myself. There are some funny flames, but eternal bickering is boring! I'd like to do something else... Posted by DELUDED_BIPED on Apr. 05 2002,07:26
Play golf? shoot helpless animals? cure cancer? Nuke the world? masterbate? lick balls? Eat cow brains?
Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,07:32
Mr Ped, I'm getting rill tired, I can't play post-tennis wit chu all night...I play chess, I cast Tarot cards (50$ I love to take pictures, I sit and watch people in coffee shops, I shop for books, I get my cats hi on catnip, I don't often talk about beatin' the meat in public... will that do? Oye. I will take out a lesser animal when it's mortally wounded and concious. Gotta run Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 05 2002,07:41
Posted by Anztac on Apr. 05 2002,07:46
Resisting.... urgue... to give a damn.....
Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,07:50
Hey Mr Anztac... good to see you!Sometimes, I have to wear several hats. If no one said anything these guys would still be going. Forum fights aren't fun to read very long. I want more fun. Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,07:55
BTW Anztac;*poof* btw no more admins Posted by Anztac on Apr. 05 2002,07:57
...Interesting...Thanks ... I think, though I doubt I'll do anything, I'm really not the type to lock/delete/censor unless it's personal or illegal. ::Shrug:: Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,08:00
Now, whatever would give you the idea that I would be interested in an admin with those qualities?Anything to do with earlier posts in this thread? Posted by Anztac on Apr. 05 2002,08:01
You know what, on second thought just remove me from this. I'm sorry, but I'm not particuarly flattered as when I look at the list of currently active members I'm one of 3 admins and 2 other moderators. No thanks. I won't do anything anyhow, no point.Edit: Nevermind, I'll do it. Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,08:18
This is the first time in a while that I've watched detnet for most of a day. There is a spike early in the morning from England and the East coast, but it really tapers off until the late evening Pacific, like now. A good percentage of the movers and shakers on the board are active... once Incubus stayed up with me to 2am Pacific, when the sun was well up in his window. I can think of one moderator who doesn't even know yet. Every single position has been discussed with someone except for yours. I made an instant call, and I was wrong. Dys has stepped on a few feet, but he suddenly got *real* interested in the goings-on, and I was trying to repeat the experience with someone less likely to draw ire. I do regret putting you on the spot like that. You aren't the first, PTL quit after a week. Posted by Anztac on Apr. 05 2002,08:36
Yeah, sorry, I don't want to be a part of this petty shit. I despise ranking of any kind. So have fun.
Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,08:56
You have made your position abundantly clear, as have I.Can we reach some sort of agreement? Posted by Anztac on Apr. 05 2002,09:13
You must agree to take me out for coffee if I'm ever in LA
Posted by editor on Apr. 05 2002,09:24
k
Posted by Beldurin on Apr. 05 2002,12:48
I was thinking. Maybe the problem here isn't so much that there have been some edited/deleted posts or locked topics, but just that these things are new and unexpected. Maybe instead of getting irate and pointing fingers (more fun, I know), we can do something productive and get something accomplished from this. What do I mean? Read on...Perhaps some kind of explanation of the duties/privileges/obligations of admins and mods in the forums can be put into the user agreement (is there one?) or somewhere accessible from the forums, and/or agreed to/displayed to the prospective admin or mod. For example: "Moderators may only modify/delete a post if it meets certain criteria:" then list the criteria. As in, if a user posts someone else's personal information (phone #, addy, etc), then the moderator should remove that. Or if someone provides a link to a warez site or directly links to something illegal. We'd need to hammer out the details. For admins, outline the criteria for locking a topic like criminally abusive comments (death threats, very personal items-such as ic0n0's example, etc.). Of course, leave room for judgement calls. Also, dictate at least some conditions for banning, etc. Ppl have been upset by the locked topics and deleted posts, but I think the real issue for them is that these things are new and they didn't know why they were happening. If we get a bit more organization, let ppl know what to expect from the site's "management," and (Wiley, back me up here) documentation is worth it's weight in platinum. That's it...PEACE! Posted by incubus on Apr. 05 2002,13:14
Admins should be benevolent, in my opinion.Dys, you have issues to deal with. These should not interfere with your admin status. Don't close threads because you don't like them or the people in them. That's not good admin. Think of it as having root; while its fun to stay logged in and play God for a while, you really should be logged in as $USER unless it's really important. - incubus Posted by DELUDED_BIPED on Apr. 05 2002,15:26
bret draper5504 runnymede lane columbus oh 43228 870-6999 Have fun...someone send me some anthrax Posted by Beldurin on Apr. 05 2002,15:48
ok, in your case, I'd make an exception. Posted by DELUDED_BIPED on Apr. 05 2002,15:54
Yeah, I thought so.
Posted by just_dave on Apr. 05 2002,16:09
You know, I am really getting sick of this crap... I mean heck they are admins let them be dicks as they choose.. for me I will leave when I find its to stupid to deal with. As far as I know I will just stay away from stuff I dont care for. But I mean personally.. its getting to petty to deal with.-dave Posted by Beldurin on Apr. 05 2002,16:12
Have I mentioned that I like this guy? Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 05 2002,19:48
im not good with *nix commands, but i think i get the gist of what you are saying.. thanks for the advice Posted by kuru on Apr. 05 2002,20:13
Light hands, dude. Posted by Anztac on Apr. 05 2002,21:02
Rules imply that admins actually have some sort of power. You could delete all my post and it would irk me somewhat, but then I'd just leave ::Shrug::
Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 05 2002,22:15
and why might that happen? Posted by Wiley on Apr. 05 2002,22:25
I can't argue with you there. My job is being audited right now and I'm glad I have some of the stuff I do on paper. I'm all for a light admin presence in the forums though. Some good debates are spawned from topics that may be a bit taboo and prematurely shut down on other boards. I personally don't edit posts or delete them, if you want to show the world how much of an ass you are then go ahead and do it. I think we are all adult enough to understand that we don't live in a utopian society and can't be expected to have the same opinions on everything. I would however draw the line at something grossly over the bounds of good taste or something that may present a legal quandary. Then there would be a valid reason to make the edit and it shouldn't have to be explained. Admins are like referees, you may not agree with them when they throw the flag down but you have to accept that they are there for the betterment of the game. Posted by TonyDennis on Apr. 06 2002,01:02
I don't know what you need admins for. If you don't know how to do something, ask one of the wouldbe admins. There was very little moderating back on the old forums and there isn't any need for it here.
Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Apr. 06 2002,01:41
::sigh::admin flamewars == lame. let's not forget who's got the most job security here, besides incubus and editor... General Rules for Admins : - thou shalt not edit another user's post unless the FBI is knocking on your door. - thou shalt not lock or remove threads unless a. the thread has drifted into the gray areas of legality (i.e. someone posts the source to MS Windows), or b. the topic creator requests that it be locked or removed. - thou shalt ignore user flames about your admin skillz. replying to flames only makes users trust you less. untrusting users make your job suck. Your Devil has spoken. Posted by editor on Apr. 06 2002,02:38
Done deal, Mr DSL. Thank you, as I'm fond of saying... Posted by Rhydant on Apr. 06 2002,09:03
yeah, well i do what i can holy shit. your a mod too? it must be a bit chilly in hell. Posted by Beldurin on Apr. 06 2002,23:32
Yeah, they passed out coats while you were gone. Posted by liquid metal on Apr. 07 2002,01:05
i never thought one of my topics would ever start half of this. or hell do any of you even remember that i started this topic? the whole thing from my point of view was that dys started locking topics that were full of the same stuff i have always read on detnet. new owner, new rules, etc, but this is most of the same people. the only mod we had before was chase. the only admin we had was cr0. and life was good. conflicts settled themselves. i don't think the community needs people to settle our conflicts. rhydant: nice to see you. stick it in her butt. she'll thank you later beldurin: you're a ugh...i can't think of the word but you're cool. Posted by editor on Apr. 07 2002,01:15
hey LM; good to hear from you.Um, you are old school, yet your view of old Detnet is a tad rosey... When I rotated admins, I also undid RenegadeSnark's modding of two forums. I've locked a topic a few months ago, and DSL I think just unlocked it the next day. He and ic0n0 were talking about what meds they had experience with, and at 2 am it just seemed to me like they would regret it later. Actually, later, *I* did. Mr Dys is going thru his learning curve as an admin, and I suspect he wanted to try out his new toy. He is learning as have I, that really all one can do is edit or delete one's own post. Anything else, the crowds go wild. He has done a lot of maintenance though. I'm guessing he'd like this thread to end, as I have threads I sure don't care for... but neither of us is locking it. Posted by Beldurin on Apr. 07 2002,02:36
hehe...one of my favorites!
Um...thanks! Edit, damn extra smileys! aaahh....they're everywhere! Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 07 2002,03:02
not really. i don't care how long this topic goes on. Posted by TheTaxMan on Apr. 07 2002,03:37
That's Aaaauuuuugh... Posted by Beldurin on Apr. 07 2002,03:41
You mean ooooooooohhhhhh? Posted by liquid metal on Apr. 07 2002,03:53
those both kinda sound the same. i'm not old school, KB, i've only been reading the forums ~17 months..maybe. signed up a year ago i guess...maybe. (LiNeY said my first post was good ) maybe i just don't see much of the problems because i'm not emotional attached to this place? my life wouldn't be any different w/o detnet edit: oh and of course you took off Chase as a mod...hasn't posted more than like 3 times since cr0 sold the place. Posted by Beldurin on Apr. 07 2002,04:30
no no, AAAAAHHHHHH as in surprise and alarm
Posted by Uberkommando on Apr. 07 2002,04:44
You mean sort of an "AAAAAAYHHHHH!" ?
Posted by Anztac on Apr. 07 2002,04:45
AGGHH!!!!!!!!!
Posted by ic0n0 on Apr. 07 2002,05:07
Then the animator suffered a savior heart attack and died.
Posted by veistran on Apr. 07 2002,05:21
....loled, no, oldskool is the few crusty old salts that pre-date the forums. Posted by Rhydant on Apr. 07 2002,05:51
did i miss something here? Posted by j0eSmith on Apr. 07 2002,09:19
Provided you have absolutly no followup questions... yes, yes you did. Posted by editor on Apr. 07 2002,15:41
Ow! Sorry! To me, anyone who joined before me is "old school"OK. Posted by TheTaxMan on Apr. 08 2002,00:30
Now, is that emoticon "Get Out of My Kitchen" or "Get Johnny Cochran?"
Posted by ic0n0 on Apr. 08 2002,03:26
Or "More More i like to be spanked!"
Posted by Rhydant on Apr. 08 2002,05:07
oh common. tell me damnit!!!
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