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Topic: If bush wins, God save us all
started by: Lordbrandon

Posted by brodie on Nov. 08 2000,06:03

triple that

but as of 3:00 am CST this morning... gore might have FL (he's w/in 1000 votes of bush)

oh, i hope i hope
otherwise.... bye bye freedom and privacy

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Posted by Blain on Nov. 08 2000,06:04

I cried every time either one of them reclaimed their lead over the other.

This election is one of the reasons I don’t believe in god.

Posted by Sithiee on Nov. 08 2000,08:23

heh, my friend said he was watching mario cuomo on tv the other day, and that cuomo was basically saying "if bush wins, you might as well commit suicide, cause the country is gonna die." aint that the truth? FUCKING NADER! if i ever see him, im going to kick his ass. and thats actually a possibility...cause i live near dc....hes a politician...i will run him over in my new corolla....yeeeess......

Posted by Bozeman on Nov. 08 2000,12:14

Good news. The Florida voting ballot was confusing, and a lot of people who should have voted Gore accidentally voted Buchannan. The recount will end Thursday. Bush might not have won Florida after all. The State News, the paper of MSU has announced that Bush won, and it certainly looks that way, but it's technically up in the air untill tomorrow.

Posted by Wh4ck3r on Nov. 08 2000,12:46

i really dont think bush has a clue how to run the country. their both potheads, but that doesent mean the gore couldent be a pretty good pres. and im a deep rooted liberal

Posted by iso9k on Nov. 08 2000,12:47

Dont forget about my state: Oregon!

We have 7 votes to give...if 5 went Gore that means he only has to get 5 out of Florida's 25...which is doable.

Posted by Hellraiser on Nov. 08 2000,13:18

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Originally posted by iso9k:
Dont forget about my state: Oregon!
We have 7 votes to give...if 5 went Gore that means he only has to get 5 out of Florida's 25...which is doable.

Excuse me, but Florida's 25 go to the person who has the majority of the vote in Florida. At least, that's how it works last time I checked.

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Posted by iso9k on Nov. 08 2000,13:20

yep, you are right. oops. My math is bad.

Why does FL get 25 votes? How do they decide the electoral votes? Based on pop. or is it some grnadfather thing?

Posted by whiskey@throttle on Nov. 08 2000,13:45

Better start praying.

I'm pretty confident the election will go to Bush...

At least I get to keep buying guns.

Posted by Hellraiser on Nov. 08 2000,14:44

quote:
Originally posted by iso9k:
yep, you are right. oops. My math is bad.
Why does FL get 25 votes? How do they decide the electoral votes? Based on pop. or is it some grnadfather thing?

The votes in the electoral college are the same for each state as the number of senators and congressmen in each state, which is based on population, so essentially the electoral college is based on population. Give or take a little. Because of the nature of the electoral college system, it makes it possible for one person to win the popular and another the electoral, but only if the country is almost evenly split between two candidates as it is in this election and was in the 1960 election of JFK.

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Posted by Lordbrandon on Nov. 08 2000,17:04

shit, i guess ill have to move to canada or italy

Posted by Michael on Nov. 08 2000,17:39

I second that.

Posted by Sithiee on Nov. 09 2000,00:31

i believe its maine and nevada who are exceptions though, hellraiser (not sure about nevada) they give out their votes based on districts...and yeah, basically, the fewest votes a state can have is 3, 2 senate members + 1 house member. so there is an electoral vote for each congress member, 435 from house, 100 from senate, and 3 from DC (they dont have real house/senate members, just whats called a shadow(?) senator and representative. they have no votes, but they get to talk.) and anyway, from what ive heard so far, there were like 3 ballot boxes not turned in in florida, all happened to be in heavily gore areas. and there was that deal with one of the voting stations being miswired so that something like 3000 votes for gore accidently went to buchanan. that will make a very large difference. theres also the absentee ballots, but since those are mostly military, theyre expected to be mostly bush votes...so florida really is a toss up right now...and yes, oregon is still a toss up, but it doesnt make a difference (sorry) if gore wins florida, he wins. if bush wins florida, he wins. oregon doesnt put either over the top, so it doesnt affect it. another change that might occur, is that in missouri, for some reason, they decided to keep the polls open after they were sposed to close, so that a lot of votes were cast after that time, and a judge ruled that they had to be closed immediatly, some time time afterwards...and that might skew things. if they declare all those votes illegal (or void or whatever) it might change the state (i dunno how close it was there). so yeah, this is definitely one of the most exciting elections in a very long time....and you can say you were there..

Posted by mqa on Nov. 09 2000,02:17

i dont understand why everyone is so afraid of what would happen if bush is elected. Remember checks and balances? I dont think he would get very far with anything too crazy. He also hasnt said anything that seems like it will cripple the nation (make the nation laugh at his stupidity maybe, but not cripple it anyway). It's not like he worships hitler or something (which cannot be said of buchanan). In any case, if really turns out to be horrible just remove him from office (how you do it is up to you...).

Also dont give me this "blame nader" bullshit. If al gore were such a great guy, he wouldnt have to worry about losing votes to nader. The fact is that gore is not that spectacular, and if he loses, its no ones fault but his own.

Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 09 2000,04:51

mqa beat me to it, but he's TOTALLY RIGHT ON ABOUT EVERYTHING!!

And, Lordbrandon! I'm truely dissapointed! You were joking right???????

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Posted by Sithiee on Nov. 09 2000,10:34

look, from what i can tell of nader, heres what he was trying to do...

first and foremost, he wanted to try and pull the democratic party more to the left on the political scale by stealing left voters, so that in order to win them back, theyd have to be more democratic....sort of like what the christian coalition does to the republican party (but not very successfuly)

second, he wanted to get his 5\% (which he didnt) and get some federal funding next election.

third, (this one is sort of a guess) he figured that the country can elect bush and see how horrible he is...sort of like when a little kid thinks it would be a great idea to have an entire chocolate cake, and then you let them and they get really sick and learn their lesson...

anyway, those seem to be his motives from my standpoint(and im not alone on this). one effect on him that i can see from this, is that if gore does end up losing, if nader ever wants any support in congress again, he'll probably be looking to republicans, because i doubt the democrats are going to be looking to help nader after he lost them the election. i mean, if someone intentionally lost you a promotion, are you going to be in a mood to help them out much?

so thats the conclusion that i(and some of my friends) have come to about nader...

Posted by Bozeman on Nov. 09 2000,12:13

I agree with all your points except the last one Sithiee. Nader knows America has elected an idiot in the apst, and we haven't leaned our lesson. The Nader voters on the west coast had a system set up that would advise them to vote Gore if Bush was pulling ahead, but advise them to vote Nader if Gore was trouncing Bush.

Posted by whiskey@throttle on Nov. 09 2000,13:33

Despite the fact that I don't think Bush is nearly as bad as the Democrats are consistantly making him out to be, I definitely do not think that Gore is any sort of panacea to America's problems.

Let's not forget that Gore is a swindler and a liar - a master of hyperbole and coattail riding. I'm not saying Bush is a saint, but he ain't that bad when juxtaposed to Gore.

Posted by Vigilante on Nov. 09 2000,14:00

I believe it is Maine and Wisconsin who can split electoral votes.

However, here in Maine, we didn't, and I'm not certain why. Gore pulled 48\% of the state; Bush nabbed about 45\% (nader got 6\%, woohoo), yet all 4 of our electoral votes went to Gore.

Not that these four would have changed the outcome, I'm just complaining on principle.

Posted by Sithiee on Nov. 09 2000,14:12

maybe gore just dominated each district individually....perhaps the support for each candidate is evenly spread? i dunno, youd have to look at a breakdown of all the districts...

Posted by kuru on Nov. 09 2000,15:58

bush is a threat to freedom and privacy?

how about GORE? or did you all forget that it was clinton and GORE that came up with carnivore.

heh, the man is a liar, a sleazebag, and probably a felon. gore also wants to turn the united states into a socialist democracy. and you /still/ think bush is the only threat to freedom and privacy?

gore wants to institute hate crimes laws where speech would be illegal if it was 'hateful' and only the 'victim' can determine whether or not the speech was 'hateful' after it's already been said... and you still think bush is the only threat to freedom?

gore wants to ban gun shows and require federal registration and licensing of all guns. he wants to make affordable, common, carry-handguns that many people who have ccw's carry illegal. and you still think bush is the only threat to freedom?

i think you're just all badly deluded by a leftist hollywood that has made it 'vogue' to hate republicans for no other reason than that they are republicans and automatically assume the democrat is better. because if you look at the FACTS, gore has attacked freedom every chance he's gotten. oh, and i hope all the people who swear they're moving to canada when bush is elected actually do it. i'm sick of the fact that it's perfectly ok to hate republicans/conservatives in this country with no basis whatsoever for the blind paranoid hatred, and when anyone brings up evidence of wrongs by a liberal, they scream that it's just a conspiracy.

bullshit.

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Posted by whiskey@throttle on Nov. 09 2000,16:03

If you were stupid enough to mess this up, then you deserve to have your vote nullified...because lord knows you're a fucking numbskull, and I sure as hell don't trust you with a vote:

Posted by Michael on Nov. 09 2000,16:54

quote:
Originally posted by whiskey@throttle:
If you were stupid enough to mess this up, then you deserve to have your vote nullified...because lord knows you're a fucking numbskull, and I sure as hell don't trust you with a vote:

Maybe they overlooked the fact that there was a second page... Or maybe they thought that it was the line above Gore that pointed to his box and not the big black arrow below him... Or maybe the ballot was confusing because they didn't know how to read...

Regardless of that, the ballot should be much less ambiguous. They should have a person standing by each booth telling you how to vote. We can't let people vote wrong just because they have no clue what they're doing.

Remember, this is a democracy. Stupid people have the right to vote too! We should also provide kleenex at the ballot boxes so they can wipe the drool off their faces while they vote... I demand equal representation for the idiots in this country!

Oh wait, I guess Bush has that covered. Never mind...

Plus, scientists should find some way for people who are in comas to vote. They have a right to be represented as well, even if they can't move, even if it isn't clear that their brains are still operating.

Oh wait, I guess Gore represents that segment of the population just fine...

Posted by jim on Nov. 09 2000,18:33

WOW! Bush is lead is down to 341 with only 5 counties left to count....

I really hope he holds on to the lead....

Want to know why???

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Posted by whiskey@throttle on Nov. 09 2000,19:55

quote:
Originally posted by jim:
Exactly!! These people were idiots...
Since most of these people were trying to vote Gore.... Well.... I think that says it all right there.

Brilliantly said.

Posted by mqa on Nov. 09 2000,23:16

that balot thing is like in high school when all those people would get a bunch of questions wrong on a test because they didnt read the instructions and then complain to the teacher that it was unfair. really people...

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Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 10 2000,02:01

Right on Mikey-man and kuru!

Gotta dissagree there mqa... High School tests were never designed to give an acurate score of intellegence, just how well you can give a teacher the answer she wants. If they miss understood how to take the test, they should be able to get credit for what they "meant to put" in the current system.

...but I guess we're talking about voting, not high school... MORONS! Anyone who screwed that up is a fucking idiot! Or blind... but I'm fine with the blind people as long as they know to get their ballot in brale.

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Posted by askheaves on Nov. 10 2000,03:07

Protest sign I just saw on the news:

"If you can read this, you're probably a Republican"

Posted by kai on Nov. 10 2000,03:25

we were watching on CNN at school when some guy came and camped out with a Palm Beach County Sucks sign.

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Posted by jim on Nov. 10 2000,05:26

quote:
Originally posted by Michael:
Maybe they overlooked the fact that there was a second page... Or maybe they thought that it was the line above Gore that pointed to his box and not the big black arrow below him... Or maybe the ballot was confusing because they didn't know how to read...

Exactly!! These people were idiots...

Since most of these people were trying to vote Gore.... Well.... I think that says it all right there.

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Posted by askheaves on Nov. 10 2000,05:42

Bravo, Michael. Well put. Also, Kuru, well put.

They let these same people who can't read a ballot drive to the polls. They can't read letters right in front of them, can't follow arrows, can't admit to having a problem with the ballot and asking for help, and then when all confused, punched the card blindly and started crying and wetting their depends... The vote still counts. (The only reason I put it this cruely is because that's my vision of the type of person who would screw up that ballot... remember, it's about 10 times the size of the pic posted earlier in this thread).

Damnit! I'm getting sick of this! It's not exciting! It's about as exciting as if that Vikings/Packers game from monday was still on TV right now. Sure I want the Vi-Queens to win, but I've lost interest at this point. Actually, it's more like they are still reviewing the last Antonio Freeman touchdown in overtime...

Posted by kuru on Nov. 10 2000,05:49

once again, for those who aren't aware. the united states is NOT a democracy. it's a representative republic. that means that instead of us having the right to vote because the government says so, we the government only has rights because WE say so.

k? everyone clear? the united states is NOT a democracy. we are a representative republic. we just practice certain deomcratic acts.

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Posted by Hellraiser on Nov. 10 2000,10:29

Somehow though, they may be stupid enough to not know how to vote, but they seem to suddenly be smart enough to claim media attention and lawsuits because of it. How many of those hundreds of people who came forward actually came because they were genuinely concerned about their votes, or because they thought that they might get some money or a chance at TV time? You tell me.

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Posted by whiskey@throttle on Nov. 10 2000,13:24

Dude, this 'sour grape quarell' is never going to end.

Move over OJ, I smell trial of the (21st) century.

I guess the real question is, who's going to make the movie first?

Orange You Mad: The Florida Voting Scandal tonight @ 8pm.

Posted by Sithiee on Nov. 10 2000,19:42

ok, now hold on. these people might not be as dumb as you think. ive been hearing stories of people who saw that they screwed up (yes, they shouldnt have done it, but they tried to fix it) and when they went to ask for a new ballot (like the sign that said "if you mess up, you can get a new ballot") and the people running it say "no, you cant have one" and then take their messed up ballot and put it in the box. yes, they shouldnt have screwed up. but since when did we have a policy of only getting one chance to do something right? at least buchanan is being more responsible about this than the republicans, he said that he had a hard time believing someone would accidently vote gore when they meant to vote for him, and that he thinks the majority of those votes belong to gore and that he should get them. if buchanan is actually not whining about a situation for once, what does that say about the republicans.

(and for the record, yes i want gore to win, but i think if the same thing happened the other way around, i would say that bush should get the votes...at least i hope i would be grown up enough to do so...)

Posted by askheaves on Nov. 11 2000,05:13

It's the battle of the century! Between people who have been around long enough to remember the last two battle of the centuries...

Posted by Lordbrandon on Nov. 11 2000,21:24

No matter how hard you try kuru, you'll never get anyone to stop saying "Democracy" and start saying "Representitive Republic"