Topic: 2 Hour later with a gi covered in blood...
started by: Necromancer
Posted by Necromancer on Mar. 16 2002,22:59
...i stumble out of the dojo with my green belt. fucking "A"i started off really crap fucking up everything i can usually do without even really thinking about. i think it was a combination of nerves and car sickness.
then when we stopped doing the technique and started the fighting i was ok. one bit i enjoyed the most was the attacks from behind. we were supposed to let someone attack us like them grabbing us or trying to strangle us. after the 3rd time doing an average job of fumbling about i thought "fuck this" and decided to listen for him then turn and boot the guy in the stomach
i got mad props from the sensai for that one. | Quote |
| YES!! pre-emptive i like that |
other casualties were one of my mates with a broken tooth and another guy with a gash on his finger down to the bone where he'd punched said friend. only real surprise was them using real knives (in this case an 8" hunting knife) you don't usually get them till a bit higher up but i think sensai did it cos most of the green belts were faffing about with the wooden ones.
anywayz anyone else had any martial arts or combat experiences to speak of that were a good laugh?
Posted by CatKnight on Mar. 16 2002,23:26
i wanna learn krav maga but there aren't any places around here, of course.
Posted by Anztac on Mar. 17 2002,00:01
I want to learn Tai Ji Chuan and Xing Yi Chuan, but of course, noone offers it in this state... only person I know that does offer it is in Atlanta... I'm all about the Qi. Anyways, funniest thing ever done with Martial arts... hrm... a friend of mine took his $500 Katana and tried to cut a branch in half... well... the branch broke, but the Katana shattered with it, heheh, his arm hurt too. Anata baka.
Posted by Anztac on Mar. 17 2002,00:03
BTW, what do you do Necro? Lemme guess, you go to a McDojo and learn Americanized Tae Kwon Doe?
Posted by Nikita on Mar. 17 2002,01:46
I did a bit of kendo some time back - stopped when I screwed up my wrists and cracked a rib.Maybe I'll try fencing ... looks namby pamby though ...
I want to learn aikido
Posted by Necromancer on Mar. 17 2002,01:54
I do samurai jiu-jitsu. i forget what the proper japenese name is for the style. its a mix of traditional samurai techniques based around situations where a warrior lost his sword and was faced with an armed opponent (integrating sword work and bo work) and an updated self defence style based around knife/bottle/broken bottle/chain/baseball bat type defenses. < http://www.jitsufoundation.org/using_site.htm >
its not ya fancy type of martial art, we don't emphasize alot on kicking or jumping but dont frown upon people integrating it. it's an extremely nasty style in that from day one they teach you the meaning of pain not in the form of conditioning but what its like to bend someones elbow the wrong way and other assorted nastyness
you won't see many people above green who don't wear some form of support or suffer fromsome kind of ongoing injury.
also when you get to higher grades they start to teach you how to deal with other styles in case you meet some kind of twat who misses the whole point of learning a martial art (usually kick boxers
)oh and ignore all the "we don't resort to violence" crap thats just to keep the lawyers away.
Posted by Spydir on Mar. 17 2002,04:22
I wanna learn that brazilian style that guy used in tekken 3. that shit's wicked.
Posted by Wiley on Mar. 17 2002,16:26
I studied Shao-Lin long fist, some Chi-Na (grappling and wrist locks/breaking stuff) and Aikido for a bit. All before I had back surgery and spent a fucking year in bed. I always want to take it up again, but most of the schools around me are that American Studio of Self Defence bullshit. The McDonalds of kung-fu. I had a really great Sifu I used to work with ...and now I've move away 
I've never cut a tree with my katanas, but I've cut up some serious apples and watermelons.
Posted by just_dave on Mar. 17 2002,18:51
I took Shaolin Do for about three years. Its sounds the same as the Long Fist version in the previous post. But, anyways my sensi was the kind of guy that said " You dont block it and get it hurt its your fault, you signed the paper saying you understand it" So we practiced almost full contact all the time. I enjoyed it. I have had a cracked shin (guy moved and I caught a metal pole), two dislocated shoulders, each one once, and misc broken bones in my feet. I did however, break a nose, crack ribs, and dislocate a knee. The guy in class was a twat and thought he was bad cause he was like 10 years older then me. I beat him up so bad one night he quit. My Sensi thanked me. I think the funniest thing, was one night we were going to test, I looked at my buddy and was like "Do an inside cresant kick" he tried and fell flat on his back and about 20 parents laughed their butt off. But, I loved my sensi cause he let us fight full contact or whatever and he joined in most the time. I enjoyed fighting, the little kids were chickens LOL .. anyways seems like I have rambled long enough.
-dave
Posted by BlackFlag on Mar. 17 2002,21:41
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| I wanna learn that brazilian style that guy used in tekken 3. that shit's wicked. |
Capuara, used by "Eddie Gordo", bane of all Tekken3 Tournaments.
Posted by veilside on Mar. 17 2002,22:15
you mean capoeira.and uh, necro, sensai or sensei?
i wanted to learn shotokan karate when i read the manual for street fighter. it's what ryu and ken use.. i dunno if they really do or not, but i did see a shotokan place around..
Posted by Necromancer on Mar. 18 2002,02:03
god knows if i've spelt it right besides its not supposed to be spelt properly its all supposed to be a bunch of weird symbols
Posted by Wiley on Mar. 18 2002,06:07
| Quote (just_dave @ 17 Mar. 2002,10:51) |
| I took Shaolin Do for about three years. Its sounds the same as the Long Fist version in the previous post. But, anyways my sensi ... |
Not to be all nit picky and shit, but Shao Lin is a Chinese martial art and is therefor not followed by a Do and it is taught by a Sifu, not a Sensei. I know, whatever ...just thought I'd be one of those dicks who corrects everybody ...but I did study the shit for 5 years and became Buddhist as a result.
Posted by Jimi on Mar. 18 2002,12:54
I used to do Hap Ki Do, then in high school some dude who was giving me grief for weeks, I did the sensible thing and ignored him for ages, then one day I was playing football at school and he came running over kicking the ball away and everything to get me riled up. It worked when he jumped on my back with his arm trying to strangle me, I threw him at least three metres ahead of me. He landed on his head, did get up for a while and I nearly got thrown out of school.
He tryed to get me a couple of weeks later and backed down straight away when I squared up to him and didn't back down. He walked of shouting obsenities at me and that was the end of that. Whooooppaaaa
Posted by WillyPete on Mar. 18 2002,13:31
Was thinking of taking up Hen-tai myself. With you on the Jiu-Jitsu Necro. Also fancied the Wing Shun (wing chun - depends where/what you read) ideas. Principally, it teaches that it's 'uneconomical' to use kicks to the upper body. They take too long and also telegraph intent. Drop your balance too.
A kick to the head is considered as sensible as a punch to the knee. You can do as much with a punch to the head as a kick and there's less chance of missing.
Makes sense.
Posted by just_dave on Mar. 18 2002,18:21
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Not to be all nit picky and shit, but Shao Lin is a Chinese martial art and is therefor not followed by a Do and it is taught by a Sifu, not a Sensei. I know, whatever ...just thought I'd be one of those dicks who corrects everybody ...but I did study the shit for 5 years and became Buddhist as a result. |
Understandably so, but it was called ShaoLin Do. Thats what the sanactions were under and it was under Grandmaster Sin Kwang The' (spelling?) I am just telling you what was on the papers, and on certificates. Here is the one of the many sites. < Shaolin Do >. I am not claiming to be right, I am just telling ya what I knew of it and what it was, and how it was spelled.
-dave
Posted by Wiley on Mar. 18 2002,18:41
Maybe just a case of everything getting fux0red up in the west. Like the spellings of Kung-Fu/Gung-Fu or something. At any rate Shao Lin long fist no longer exists in China anymore ...the communists outlawed the teachings of the more defence focused styles but they let the study of Wu-Shu and the more acrobatic styles continue so that they could get money from tourists when they visited the "re-creations" of the Buddhist temples were the styles were learned. This includes the rebuilt Shao-Lin temple that is said to be the origin of Chinese Kung-Fu ...brought over from India and used to condition the bodies of the monks who had grown weak from meditation. Most of the meditation styles are derived from real combat techniques as well. If you have a chance to work with a good Tai-Chi teacher they can show you how Tai-Chi Ch'uan is really a practical martial art form, people just don't understand the movements correctly. I'm looking for a good Kung-Fu school in LA right now, but not with much sucess. I also wouldn't mind a good Aikido school as Aikido is a good balance of meditation and defence ...and I think both styles compliment each other well.
Posted by just_dave on Mar. 18 2002,20:38
I totally agree Wiley. Most people dont understand much of the Tai Chi stuff. I wish I could get back into martial arts. But, my current schedule has no room. As before, I wasn't trying to disaprove what you said, I just wanted to show ya where I was coming from, but what you said, probablly alot of the meanings and names were lost in translations to English or which ever it may be translated to. But either way its nice to know that the people that accutally presue this artform decides to learn as much as possible.-dave
Posted by Necromancer on Mar. 19 2002,01:14
theres some chinese big bastard guy in a van damme movie who in real life turned his knowldge of tai chi into a lethal martial art. (disclaimer i in no way have any less respect for people who think the opposite of this) i don't think i could ever be obsessed enough to dedicate my whole life to an art like the shaolin styles, not to be too blunt but i'm not interested in conditioning my body to take planks of wood across the chest you cant really condition yourself to take a knife. i learnt it 2 achieve a bit of self control and be able to handle myself in a real-life fight where people arent likely to have nun-chukka or morning stars. (although it would be fun if it was like that) like i said before my style doesnt focus very much on kicks or fancy shit its down and dirty and it works extremely well cos who wants to rip their best trousers on a night out on the town just to kick a guy in the head when you can do something much more fun like break his arm with his own body weight
. all styles worth their weight incorperate some form of discipline but my teachers have full time jobs and go out and get pissed and keep fit without endless meditation. i think people need to distinguish between the styles that are more street orientated and those that are about enlightenment and such. (i also realise that there are a lot of styles that incorperate both).and some types of kickboxing pisses me off when they give people false confidence as they never try to simulate real life situations by using real weapons or at least put them in a limited but real danger. they just spa using competition style rules.
(no doubt i've contradicted myself or misrepresented my opinion to some people by using the wrong terminology or spelling but i did it for self defence purposes and not a lot else, discipline and respect comes for free with that anywayz
)
Posted by Wiley on Mar. 19 2002,06:16
That's kinda the trick, you gotta find a style and teacher that can give you the things you want to get out of it. I started out just wanting to learn to defend myself and then got more involved in the meditation side of the martial arts. I agree that high kicks are stupid in a real fight, but they do hone your balance and flexability when practiced. I've seen a lot of guys get their arms and wrists broken when they had to catch themselves after having their standing leg swept out from under them during a high kick. Very unpracticle in a real fight. All styles have their weaknesses though, I remember when Gracie JuJitsu was all the rage and some guys were talking shit about us Kung-Fu guys and how they could choke us out and hold us until we gave up. What I don't think they realized is that we train for multiple attacks and work well in a group situation ...Gracie JuJitsu is kinda just one on one. I asked the guy who was telling me how he was going to choke me out what he was going to do about my friend kicking him in the head while he had me in the sleeper hold. I don't think he thought that far ahead. And I'm not stupid ...I'm not going to graple a grappler ...there's a reason it's called long fist.
Posted by Necromancer on Mar. 19 2002,16:19
locks are good for one on one attacks but nothin beats grabbing the eye sockets from behind to pile their head into the concrete when you need to get rid of them quick to deal with his mates who have a lovely broken bottle heading for your face. I don't like people who try and brag that their style is the best as there is no perfect style as anything can be countered if you see it coming or know what they're doing. No martial art is gonna prepare you for a knuckle duster to the back of the skull when you unintentionally brush past someone and not realise that to them you just did the equivalent of call his mum a whore. No-ones indestructable thats one of the mopst important lessons to realise when training.< no jackie chan bollox ><--- this should put a smile on most of your faces
Posted by just_dave on Mar. 20 2002,18:42
I agree, and in no way, do I lose respect for anyone that decides or feels differently about a certain art than I. I honestly don't think one if better than the other, but each one has its highs and lows. But, I do think the fighter that is more into his training than the other will probablly be the victor. Say a Shaolin guy that practices every day or a Jiujitsu (sp) guy who practices 2 times a week. I think the better you are at your chosen discipline the better off you will be, but that is a gimmie. There is no way to prove one better than the other.-dave