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Topic: the direction of non
started by: richard

Posted by richard on Feb. 16 2002,06:48

Following what editor wrote about non, I thought I'd make this post. It might run sort of long, but bear with me.

I've been with DetNet quite a while...my original account (syf0n) was registered May of 2000. That's much longer than some have been around...and much less than others. I have acted many ways, had many aliases, and said many things -- even though most of those were lost when I was banned the first time. Anyhow, I consider the time I have been a member a long enough period to make a reasonable judgement about what's going on.

Since Kevin bought the site, a lot of things have happened...some for the worse, some for the better. However, DetNet was never really just a site to me, because (with the excepton of Jason) I talked to the guys who ran the site on a daily basis...Chase (RenegadeSnark) and David (porn_dealr) and another kid (Mattimeo) and I were all pretty good friends. DetNet (and Playnet in general) gave us a good reason to keep in contact, and we were generally a pretty tight group...the forums sort of supplemented that.

Playnet collapsing and Jason leaving has changed a lot of things...but mostly, it's made evident two things to me:

1.) cr0bar is DetNet.
2.) DetNet can't be run by a newbie, regardless of how good his intentions are.

I don't think I have to go into much detail on either of those two points...Jason made detnet the way it was, the feeling -- beyond the colors and the code, it was cheery and witty because of him. When he sold it, suddenly the colors changed...but more than that, there's a great hole in this site where something used to be, and no amount of coding or coloring is going to fix it. The reason for that was the enormous creative power inside Jason's head, which I don't think exists the same way for Kevin. I started getting a lot of ICQs from the old skooler folks about how lame everything had become...

Please don't read me wrong. This site could become quite the hangout again, and I hope it does! I just feel that Kevin isn't the guy to handle the job for old skool folks like me, and the skills that have been offered up haven't been utilized. Hell; I would have finished through with what I did, but I lost all my data to a hard drive crash. I have just decided that the domain name isn't what made it special.

So...my options being to accept the new DetNet or become a memory of the old one, I've decided it's time to drift back into the rest of the internet, and see where I get washed...

Y'all have been great people. Good luck to all of you, even Rhydant and Spydir, who I can already imagine writing flaming responses to this! Mad props especially to the old skool DetNet crew: nester, kl1nk, v0id, hellraz0r, liney, ch1ckee, taz-r, cannibal, caseman, lordbrandon, eng_man, anztac, and anyone I forgot (like linkDJ

). The summer of 2000 was great fun, with late night antics in the chat room and IRC stats and everything -- that was the shit that made my day.

And now, I'll close this the way I do every goodbye

Leaves are falling all around,
It's time I was on my way.
Thanks to you, I'm much obliged
For such a pleasant stay.

But now it's time for me to go,
The autumn moon lights my way.
For now I smell the rain,
And with it pain,
And it's headed my way.

Posted by editor on Feb. 16 2002,06:58

Richard, the entire time I knew you, you were nothing but talk.
You haven't changed.
I have repeatedly stated that I am not nor will ever be cr0!

detnet is still H E R E

and that's all that needs to be said.

Posted by ic0n0 on Feb. 16 2002,06:58

I have also desided a similar thing for myself. Although i considered my self an old schooler i guess syf0n never did.
This is what i sent Kevin last night.

I have decided an extended leave of detonate.net is needed by me. This is nothing you did nor anything someone did on the forums, this is a personal thing. I do not have the same reasons as non, this is personal I need to refocus myself and my life and right now the forums are something I do not want to deal with. I need to be focused on college and focused on putting my life back together. This is like I said nothing you did but rather something I need to do. I may post on the forums from time to time but no where as frequently as I have been lately. Please don't try to dissuade me of this decision it is mine to make. You have been a good friend and I am thankful you and the forumites were around to help me when I needed you. What I am going to tell you is that I am not really in a healthy mental state right now and detnet is to much of a distraction, it may not seem like much but for an internet addict like myself I need to put distance between me and some of my obsessions, this is not the only forum I am leaving I am leaving 4 but your the only one I am emailing to tell of my decision. When one spends more than 13 hours a day surfing the net something is not. I am more messed up than would appear from my text. The only thing I ask is that you not talk about this on the forums or mention it in any posts unless someone emails you and asks, I don't want to burden everyone. You don't have to be concerned over my welfare I have lots of people looking out for me in the real world. I promised my family I wouldn't do anything rash and I intend on keeping that promise. I have decided not to continue the map project, spydir expressed interest in taking my place and I think he is quite capable. Do not take this as a personal offense to you this is about me, I have no problem with you or your management/ownership of detnet in fact I am glad you replaced cr0bar (as oposed to another less caring person), I am sure anyone else would not be anywhere as committed to the cause. Well I wish you luck in your endeavor and I wish you all the luck in the world. I will be in contact via email if you need to talk. I also hope that you don't lose heart, that would be unnecessary. I just need to refocus I will be back in time.

-End of email

I guess to me detnet was cr0bar to me also and it hasn't been the same without him. I am sure kbreak will make a good admin/owner but i to be frank wish it was the way it used to be. I know that can never be again and so i have chosen to move on and to move in a difernt direction with my life. I hope you all that a good night.

Posted by editor on Feb. 16 2002,07:02

I always knew that Richard would surprise me someday, just not in this way. Perhaps some will be happy, but I wonder what he could have done here.

Ic0n0, it just hurts to see you go. hurts.

good luck to you both.

Posted by Linky on Feb. 16 2002,07:18

This is LinkDJ, i just dont have a valid email or password attached to my account. So here I go.

Was it ever the website? I never thought so. Sure, the website was cool and all, but the day that #detnet was started, the 15 of us gathered in there, and secretly detached from the website. An entity not unlike the website from which we spawned, but wholly different.

It was a mindset, a way of life, a group of people that didn't exist in my normal life. People like me.

I can't quit the forums, because I was really never a part of them. I'm a loser, and i still dont have enough free time, nor the desire, to troll forums. Not to say anything bad about those who do, I just prefer something more, realtime. Its ironic that im calling EFnet realtime, but thats not important. the important thing is that I'm really a woman.

I think I've made my point.

Posted by Dysorderia on Feb. 16 2002,07:58

Quote (editor @ 15 Feb. 2002,22:58)

detonate.net is still here, but it's soul was lost when it switched hands.

no offense meant editor, but you aren't exactly cr0bar.

IMHO, you are too talkative and you spend too much time posting on the forums and not enough getting content organized.

Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Feb. 16 2002,14:07

well instead of taking the all high and mighty attitude that everyone here seems to be taking the posts above me are in my opinion a load of bollox. if you're gonna go just go you don't have to make a song and dance about it! erm dysdoria ed is in full time employment unlike cr0 was who was always trying to get hold of money. his page gets to number 1 slot in google ya think he has all the time in the world to spend on this site?! these kind of posts piss me off cos it just puts stupid ideas into peoples heads that they "think" they should leave too.

Posted by Dysorderia on Feb. 16 2002,19:35

Quote (Dark Knight Bob @ 16 Feb. 2002,06:07)

erm dysdoria ed is in full time employment unlike cr0 was who was always trying to get hold of money. his page gets to number 1 slot in google ya think he has all the time in the world to spend on this site?!

i didn't say that DKB.

if you read my post again, it says that Ed spends too much time on the forums.

and seriously, its been what, 2 months now since Detnet changed hands and it's pretty much the same content.

that's why people have been leaving.

Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Feb. 17 2002,01:08

well honestly what did cr0 do other than post the odd funny link. the bastardisations were done a LONG time ago. i'm not dissin cr0 for what he achieved i'm saying you're using reasons that you never really used against cr0bar that you could have.

Posted by Carnivore on Feb. 17 2002,01:38

Strangely after crobar sold the site it seems like detonate.net gets about 1/10 of the traffic it used to. I used to check the site almost everyday to see what kind of goofy/interesting story crobar had managed to round up on the front page. How long has detonate.net been "dead" now??? Im too lazy to try to remember.

I remember when syfon got banned. He had posted some info about crobar that crobar did not want posted. He also got snuffed after a dispute with veteran Jim, but Jim made him eat his words posting actual transcripts from icq about how syfon was just trying to get a reaction out of people. Syfon was banned, then snuck back in under a different name and played pretty for a few months. Now it seems that detonate has been a bit weakened and he is waving his wand again. Ban him again now or later, it probably wouldnt matter....

Posted by solid on Feb. 17 2002,02:52

cr0 was just a quiet admin, otherwise I bet he'd verbally attack you real bad if he didn't like something you posted right now.

Posted by Dysorderia on Feb. 17 2002,04:23

Quote (Dark Knight Bob @ 16 Feb. 2002,17:08)

oh really DKB?

cr0 had a whole site going with forums to boot, while ed has just these forums and a page that just links to stuff cr0 did...

and how could i have used this same argument against cr0?

*sigh*

DKB, shut up and stop talking out of your arse, k?

Posted by veistran on Feb. 17 2002,04:47

honestly, the only people that don't sound like whiney bitches in here are ic0n0 and Linky.

anyway, they have a point, it's goddamn annoying everytime I come to detonate.net getting that ugly detnet has died page.

Posted by editor on Feb. 17 2002,05:06

It is understood that the community isn't happy. editor isn't thrilled either.

Let's back up for a sec, ok?

One month gone waiting for Richard to create his super site.

Second month appears wonderful with both Wiley and Anztac working together to create a site. What happened? editor doesn't know!

It's doubtful that anyone enjoys seeing the "detnet is coming soon" page...although it was RT's *only* contribution after editor arrived.

Perhaps it would've been wiser to have spent a few hundred/thousand more and hired a webdesigner from the get go. It seemed much more interesting to let the community do it, at least at the time.

Why does editor post so much? Perhaps it has something to do with lack-of-a-site to write for! Editor is also interested in keeping the community viable in this transition period.

Constructive ideas welcomed!
kbreak@speakeasy.net

Posted by veistran on Feb. 17 2002,20:09

I don't think anything you put up could be any worse than what's up now, short of lots of pop-ups and some frames.

Posted by TheTaxMan on Feb. 17 2002,20:38

Well wtf are we waiting for? Upload Anztac's homepage. Who cares if we don't have enough content to fill it yet. It would be progress.

Posted by editor on Feb. 17 2002,20:43

been emailing Anztac for a week now, about 5 emails. Ideas?

Posted by liquid metal on Feb. 17 2002,21:00

it's not the design, it's the content. got anything cool to put up ed? just put it up...format it later.

Posted by veistran on Feb. 17 2002,21:15

yeah, just do something with the space instead of just letting it sit there, please, please, please, please, please.

Posted by LiNeY on Feb. 17 2002,22:51

I don't think we can say that the change has come when editor took over detnet. It began much earlier... around the time when the massive CK flaming started. I've posted here less and less since then. And in the last weeks, even reading wasn't that interesting anymore. I'm still around, and I'm ready to write content or something at any time... but somehow I don't feel the same about detnet anymore... don't wonder if you don't get to see a lot of me in the next weeks...

Posted by Anztac on Feb. 17 2002,23:06

I'm very sorry people... increadably shitty shitty shitty ass few weeks, I'll get my ass in gear...

Posted by Rhydant on Feb. 18 2002,18:49

Quote

1.) cr0bar is DetNet.

youre goddamn right.

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I just feel that Kevin isn't the guy to handle the job for old skool folks like me, and the skills that have been offered up haven't been utilized.

agreed.
you know, we could of used my idea to pitch in a buy the thing as a whole, but noooo....

Quote

Good luck to all of you, even Rhydant and Spydir, who I can already imagine writing flaming responses to this!QUOTE]

hey, thats just not fair to me.

uhm... well.... shit. i dont know what to say.

see j00 'round.

Posted by Spydir on Feb. 18 2002,19:53

I didn't even notice that until rhydant quoted it. I would have flamed sooner... DAMMIT! I missed a great chance to flame someone!

Posted by BlackFlag on Feb. 18 2002,20:11

Editor:
If you plan on using user submitted material on the site, keep in mind that i have an inexaustable suply of shit to rant about.

Posted by Bob_the_Cannibal on Feb. 18 2002,23:09

Yeah, I rant sometimes too... the most I got was a mention on the main page of detnet for posting a bastardization of a masturbation guide, wherein I converted it to a guide to Napsterbation... the end result was okay, but I couldv'e done better... have a User Submitted area...

Posted by bleh. on Feb. 18 2002,23:37

What did you people expect from an ebay bidder paying $1000 for a dead site? I know what I expected...and it sure is coming true.

Editor, you lack cool. If you didnt post so much inane dogshit all the time, and tried to be a bit mysterious and lofty, you would be cool and so would your site.

Staring at the same dead screen is also immensly pathetic. Think about it -- you could put anything there...anything...and that would be better than the awful "Det.Net is Dead" splash screen, which is well past stagnation. The color scheme is atrocious as well.

cr0bar was Det.Net, but after he stopped posting on a regular basis and added no creative contributions to the site, he became nothing but a figurehead: a sort of token that lends itself to the whole notion of what a hangout truly is, virtual or otherwise. In other words, Det.Net was a place of congregation. Take the place away, and it's gone. Period.

Editor, you should have just kept it exactly as it was. What exactly was your plan in buying this place anyway? Did you buy it before you had any ideas?

Anyway, it's like this: take that one diner away from Fonzie and the gang, and there just ain't no more Happy Days. Sure, you can keep the same bunch of people around in some desperate spin-off show, but it'll never last. You'll find that while the people may be interesting, you really showed up for the atmosphere.

Truth hurts, don't it?

Posted by ic0n0 on Feb. 18 2002,23:53

I am going against my better judgment here but I have to say something, the detnet forums are just not a place I want to hang out anymore, detnet is dead. Not that it can’t be revived and made new but that right now we are stagnant and static. This is most likely the last post I am going to make here for a long time maybe ever. I am not laying blame here I DO NOT think editor killed detnet rather the loss of respected leadership and direction has left us in a void. People are unfairly flaming Editor, i think whomever bought detnet would be disliked that is just the way things go.

Posted by Bob_the_Cannibal on Feb. 18 2002,23:56

just to let everyone know, that was not me, so don't jump on me.

'bleh' has a point: put some frigging thing on there. put a randomized photo of chicks you photograph on there... or guys for the ladies

you're just driving people off with the "detnet is dead" statement. any content, news, rants, random crap off the top of your head, anything. Is how cr0bar ran the site. layout doesn't have to be a concern ATM, just get something on there. hell, a 'random line from the forum' script would be okay...

Posted by kuru on Feb. 19 2002,00:37

How can kuru help?

Write something?

Become an evil Dear Kuru?

Say the word and I'll find some free time. Hell I only work 15 hours a day. That leaves 9 hours a day that I'm doing nothing important.

Whatcha need?

Posted by DuSTman on Feb. 19 2002,00:57

Quote (kuru @ 18 Feb. 2002,16:37)

Become an evil Dear Kuru?

Like a column? You really want hundreds of teenaged geek mailing you asking if their penises are normal?

Posted by kuru on Feb. 19 2002,01:38

I'm already the advice giver to every male I know when it comes to questions they wish they could ask a chick but can't.

Why not do what I do best (be a geek chick) publicly? The site needs content, right? So if there's something I can do, well, why not?

Posted by Wolfguard on Feb. 19 2002,01:42

Quote (DuSTman @ 18 Feb. 2002,19:57)

Quote (kuru @ 18 Feb. 2002,16:37)

Become an evil Dear Kuru?

Like a column? You really want hundreds of teenaged geek mailing you asking if their penises are normal?

only if they send pictures.

Posted by kuru on Feb. 19 2002,01:49

Now that would be fun for me.

Posted by Vigilante on Feb. 19 2002,03:18

Evil geek columnist, hmm. Iambe, minus the whole Martha Stewart thing?

Posted by DuSTman on Feb. 19 2002,11:56

Quote (kuru @ 18 Feb. 2002,17:38)

I'm already the advice giver to every male I know when it comes to questions they wish they could ask a chick but can't.

I like the idea. I always found planetquakes "dear mynx" articles amusing, but they've stopped now, as mynx left to engage in some making of babies.

But that's the sort of thing I'm thinking of, and I think you'd do quite well at that.

Posted by Linky on Feb. 20 2002,00:16

Has EVERYBODY forgotten ch1ckie's failed attempt at having a page on detnet? Sure, it was fun for a little while, but after like 10 less-than-a-paragraph responses to letters, nobody emailed her anymore. Learn from the past.

Posted by Dysorderia on Feb. 20 2002,00:24

link: cr0 probably wasn't that desperate for content back then.

how-ever, editor is..

Posted by kuru on Feb. 20 2002,03:56

kuru is not ch1ckie.

Nuff said.

Posted by Linky on Feb. 20 2002,04:30

Being desperate for content is what cr0bar was all about!

And, in the most basic of elements, kuru is indeed ch1ckie.