That's right. That man who I would have once proclaimed to be my hero (yes, I'm a sad person, but you'd know that if you read my posts) has gone the way of George Lucas and Metallica.

He's sold out.

Matrix second edition? Bah.
Sell out city man.

Not that it's bad, just that it was a bad idea.

-Ray

Do whatever you want cr0...just try and live up to the classic.

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it's just something new he's trying and if you dont like it, tough shit!

i dont like it, but im not going to complain. you get what you pay for. hehe

and dont you have to get paid something to sell-out in the first place?

rox0r on, detnet!

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Q.E.D.

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I live in the UK and even I know about the basic right of yanks to speak their mind. I'm not trashing yours, but c'mon offer the same to cr0bar.

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I'm with BM_Ray still. A a few months back, when bastardization production was on it's highest, I loved coming to detnet. Now I just enter to see if something exiting is going on on the BBS (it shouldn't be called that). Usualy the first thing I did was sweep the place for links and bastardization updates, and then check the board (news comments at that time).

Now we'll get an update every other day if we are lucky, but it only updates something allready done once. Sure it'll get better, but it was nearly perfect already. And some things just doesn't have to be perfect. They just have to be fun, and contain relevant material of the time it was created. Now it's just some mixed time wannabe-perfect bastardization, that I don't really need. I've even seen half of it once.

Let me point out that I'm not complainting or demanding to get quality stuff from you. I think your work on this has been amazing. I'm just telling what I think of this "new way of detnet", and if you have another oppinion it's fine with me. But if Matrix SE all you've got left, cr0, I'd say that you have sold out. Then it's back out selecting my source of fun again, as wondering wether to buy a box of Kodak or Pioneer cds. None of them really stands out above the other.

[This message has been edited by Kolben (edited July 14, 2000).]

I'm selling out. Can I have my money now and my playboy mansion?

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And you are still the hero...you've build a whole little detnet society, and the "true believers" will always stay and look for updates. It's just not that intence at the moment, that you just have to go to the page every other minute...and remember to click refresh before leaving, hehe

Another oppinion...the site has grown too big. That's why so few new people comes to visit. People don't know where to start. Look at this messageboard with thousands of posts for instance. I check the page almost everyday, and even I can't keep up anymore. Most of the posts is not just standard posts like "Hey, I'm cool and I know where to get warez", but deep intellectual discussions about topics going from napster to evolution to t-shirts. New people are lost here.

But detnet is still my favorite, and I look forward to see the next action from you...perhaps we should hire some company to screw with you to get things going. What was the mail-add to safeaudit?

I'm interested in the feeling that the site is hard on newcomers. . .If a site sells out, then wouldn't it betray its "fans" and just try to appeal to as many people as possible? Seems to be at odds with what you say you come here for.

Me? I'm in it for the chicks. =P

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And "selling out" != betraying fans. When you've sold out it means that you've run out of good ideas, but desperatly try to maintain the site. Betraying fans is just lame.

Mostly, if you sell out you at least tried to apeal to your fans. You just ran out of good content. That's the honest form. Not admitting it is one step in the wrong direction though...

Actually you've got it all upside down here. Lot's of people are betraing their fans in order to NOT sell out.

Don't bitch about this, because there's actually nothing to bitch about, other than some of us feels like the site is lacking it's usual HiQual stuff. We even told you what we didn't like. That's called contructive critisism, and it's not a thing I usually do unless I feel like it's something worth saving...

and what the hell is this ch1ckie thing? GAF! Picking up IRC chicks? Ahem? Yeah.

Where the hell did all of the stuff worth reading go? It's like one day "Link to the funniest page on the 'net (besides this one)" and a few days later "Suckfest 2000 (ain't so great now is it?)"

I want to see some original humor. I don't want to see "Hey, here's this with better that" I want to see "Heres this better than that" or maybe just some stuff blowing up.

I think we all agree that stuff blowing up is cool.

Anyway. Poof.

-Ray

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Sorry about the mix up with the humor thing. You know, I once heard somewhere that "humourous" was synonomous with "funny" Guess I should go now.

Oh, well. Back to somethingawful.

We love you Jeff K.

And your Levellord who's tripping on "QERADIANT" Heh heh. Classic, I tell you.

Come now, you can tell me.

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Also, leave the ch1ckie flaming outta this .. she deserves credit. I'm glad you think that she is "semi-attractive", because I'm sure good looks are everything in this world, or at least maybe in yours. We're not idolizing her or doing any grandstanding, if that's what you are assuming her section of the site is about. It is "humor".

If you think the laffs in this li'l corner of town is so dead and needs revitalization then why don't you put some effort into it? Like ch1ckie does =) I think the SE is good so far, and I'm looking forward to seeing more. Don't tell me the fathers of this country were "selling out" when they revised the constition, or when coca-cola "revised" their original product and took the "coke" out of the cola .. Oops. I'm using the term incorrectly. =)

The_Hiro, if sell-out means what you say, we have a different understanding of that term. As I read the Metallica articles the term was used when describing the latest albums. Perhaps you are right, or perhaps we didn't read the same ones.

Still...If you read my previous posts you'd know that
I actually like cr0's work,
that I think detnet has a down period in the moment,
that I do respect cr0's way of doing it,
that I WOULD go somewhere else if the content got bad.
that I haven't said what he made wasn't good,
that I haven't said he made money,
that I think the Matrix SE idea is bad, but not that the M SE was bad,
and that IIFF M SE is all he's got left...geez
and that I'm NOT complainting...

And ch1ckie...she is one cute girl. Semi-good looking, baaah. She looks good! But I think you and I know more about hx0ring IRC chicks than she does, as I think we've got more experience in hx0ring girls I believe her articles are fun, but I don't think that it's "detnet-fun".

BM_Ray, I don't believe that flash-movies are the work of the devil. I think it's really cool what you can do with flash, and that you almost don't have to worry about the size of the movie. It's almost always only in the KB's unless you used too much imported stuff in it.

Hitting below the belt? No he isn't! He's saying why he don't like what's on detnet.

For the record. Listen to me. Don't misunderstand. Don't misinterprit. Don't be a lam0r. Don't have sex without condoms. Don't bitch about it. Don't say I have have 2 sides of my mind (I don't).

I still like detnet, only I think the lack of new ideas is a shame. (Have I lost you yet?). And I know cr0bar is moving, and things aren't going so well, but that stuff was usually something you'd get pissed about and produce kick ass content about. Not use it as an excuse, for your lack of ideas. Ideas that will probably return when you get settled in, but in the moment I think they aren't that good. They're below the usual detnet-phun-level. And I accept the fact that you're moving and the other excuses and wait patiently for things to get better, so we can get some kick ass detnet back. I'm still on your side, but I have to agree with BM_Ray, that the content in the moment isn't what it used to be. (I'm not going to use the sell-out phrase, as I'm not sure about it anymore).

BTW.
How can you guys say that ch1ckie is only semi-good looking?

And now we're bitching each other anyway I'll bring it up. Usually I don't bitch about peoples names, but The_Hiro? Is that short for the Hiroshima bomb? If it is and you think it's funny, then I don't ikke like you. Then I think you're a freak and a pervert that likes peoples misery. Then I hope your name would blow up in your face and give you deformed children...Then I can't take you seriously.

BTW:
The_Hiro reffers to a kick ass Neil Stephensen book. Not that you would know Kolb, all you read is shitty ass Arthur C. Clarke.

Also the only reason I haven't been at the forums recently is because I was getting bored of you guys.

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"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]

[This message has been edited by Anztac (edited July 15, 2000).]

How can you tell people what to critizise, Mr.IWannaBeGod?

Hmmm...complainting...critizising...talking...whatever...you're maybe right...the site has dropped in quality (seen through my eyes anyway) and I'm saying it out loud.

Insulting...cr0, if you feel insulted I've failed to say what I wanted the way I wanted. I say again...your work on this has been amazing...I still like detnet...

And sure! Erase our accounts because we do not agree with you. Because we actually evaluate our input, and not blindly believe in it. And while at it, block out IP's too so we can't ever visit detnet again. Geeez...

And the thing you have about me being pissed Anztac...ehhh...do you dream alot? And you say I'm an asshole...well, I guess we're the same race...And how would you know what I read? I usually don't read english/american fiction. I read more gerenal philosophy, chemistry (science generally). And as for fiction I read in danish, but that's obviously shit in your eyes.

Plz...lay this subject to rest...You guys have misunderstood me or I've misunderstood you. (Probably the last). I've never been angry at you, and I've never disliked detnet, but still...the quality of the content is lower than usual (seeing it from my eyes). And cr0 told us that's it's because he's moving, and that other bad stuff is happening. (Borrowing you sisters comp. after she's asleep :)). I accept that, and eventually you'll settle in again, and I'm looking forward to it...please...give it a rest. It's not like I'm saying "cr0bar sucks ass"...like your brother says you do...In my family we almost never lie...I don't know about yours, but it seems the same way. So suck me big-guy ;P

And I don't see ch1ckie as an object. I see her as a very cute girl, with an excellent humour I haven't met before...To top that she's good looking and know computers...Listening to loud music in her car (which I hope is not a Volvo).

BTW. Sorry about that Hiro! I just hate people naming them self after Hitler, Hiroshima and other massmurdery-stuff. Feel free to call me names ;)

You said the only book you had read recently was 3001 which, in my eyes was a shitty shitty book. Ok?

I'm not even going to defend myself from Mr. IWannaBeGod comment because I believe that it wasn't all that intellegent or hard hitting.

I'm glad you missed me Mr. "In my family we almost never lie". Sarcasam is a form of lying.

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"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
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"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]

Is it because he's doing The Matrix again? Well that doesn't seem like a reason. May I remind you it's HIS site, he can do what he likes. If anything it's because of the ad banners. But those have been there since practically the beginning in one way or another. I didn't hear to many people whining about that one.

Just because YOU don't like the current content != the person is a sellout.

Being a sellout involves getting money in some way or another. Don't think that's happening in this case.

OH! This can be the next black T-shirt post. I wanna see 8 pages of:

He sucks
No he doesn't
Yes he does
No he doesn't
(lather, rinse, repeat)

You can do it!

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The book 3001? Tell me where I talked about that, hehe. Because I surely don't remember...You must think I'm somebody else...

Mr.IWannaBeGod wasn't ment to be intelligent or hard hitting. Just stating that I think you run around playing detnet police too much. Feel free to do so, just don't expect me to take you seriously, or compliment you in your heroic efforts to suck up to cr0.

I did say almost never lying. But as usual, you don't read the posts we write...

About the suck-thing...
If you are referring to cr0bar...read my post again. I never said he sucked.
If you are reffering to you...read my other post again...I don't feel like you're worth saving, so I don't want to bother giving you constructive critisism.

Calm down man...ehh...or whatever we are...

...no he doesn't

This is the way I see it.

One of Metallica's sell out points was Unforgiven 2. They used the popularity of their song Unforgiven to float a new "hit song" our way. And get us to buy the CD (Rememebr this was before napster!) Now I liked Unforgiven 2, but I come away with the feeling that I've been robbed and instead of doing something better, they just did something they new would sell.

Kind of like some second edition bastardization I saw somewhere.

Does anybody see my point?

And cr0, I would feel better if you removed her picture, but *only* if you removed that IRC Chick crap as well. Or at least hide it at the bottom of some rant in tiny print.

Oh, and for the record. I never said "Cr0bar sucks" or anything of the sort. This is just my movement to get some good content back into the detonate spotlight.

Anyhow, being consistently funny's pretty difficult (Just think of Eddie Murphy, Robin Williams, Chevy Chase, Steve Martin, etc). And keep in mind that it's not like you've paid him any money. Boys and girls, the word for today is FREE. You're complaining about something you're getting for free? Sheesh. You guys are stingy misers.

cr0: For what it's worth I like SE so far.

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If he put up a banner and got his banner on Stile Project, he'd be a "sellout", I suppose.

But quite frankly, I'm GLAD he's redoing the Matrix, because the original was shitty quality. But redoing the Matrix isn't going to make him get a massive amount of more web hits. With Metallica, redoing something they knew would sell was selling out because it was ALREADY MAINSTREAM.
(By the way, technically, by that logic, did the original Star Wars sell out by having Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi come out after it?)

Sure, detnet isn't small, but it's not like it's Newgrounds or something.

ũ÷50=$.02

And no, I don't believe songs can have sequels (with the exception of the devil came back to georgia, which is also selling out), so unforgiven 2 doesn't count as one.

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also, personally, i dont think the idea of redoing the matrix is that bad, but matrix SE should be either higher quality with the same stuff, or higher quality with completely new stuff, but the mix thats going on right now is kinda dumb, IMO.

about Star Wars SE, i believe him when he says that he wanted to add in stuff that he couldnt in teh original, but i dont think he should have done it. Lucas has strayed from teh path of the righteous. i mean, going back and redoing stuff is like going up to a teacher after grading the test in class and asking to change your answers. granted some of it was good stuff (i.e. darkening the panels in the hoth fighters so you couldnt see through them, but the added scenes werent that great.

and you cant bastardize south park, its been proven that bastardizing a funny movie is like using a double negative, its just not funny. i dont think anyone wants another monty python and the holy grail.

and jesus people, leave cr0 alone, its his fucking site, he should be able to do whatever the fuck he wants with it. when he sells it and loses creative control, only then will he have actually sold out....when one of you has put in all the work he has, then and only then shoudl you be allowed to criticize him.

When I saw that I thought to myself, does the cr0 care about how many people visit the site? I could have sworn this site was about content or something like that. GOOD content. That's what your preaching about. Guess what, people's opinions on what's "good content" varies!! Holy shit! Looks like there's more of us than there are of you. Swear up and down on the free speech amendment, seriously, why don't you.

"I would feel better if you removed her picture, but *only* if you removed that IRC Chick crap as well."

Aww did your personality not get you featured on a web site that plenty of people visit? I smell a jealous flower here in the garden of cr0. Boy does it stink =)

Kolben: No problem. If I had in fact chosen to name myself after that tragedy I would be completely deserving of insults.

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detnet pr0n bastardizations!

Okay, that was just stupid, I'll go back to the BOX OF SHAME now.

the SE is a good thing because, firstly, it's better, and secondly people are more likely to stick around and read the other stuff.

i know a lot of peeps who go to this site and i've heard only good things about the special ed.

as for ch1ckie, what's the problem exactly? she even almost gives the impression that it's NOT just sad geeks who visit the site

either way, it's cr0's site. he can do what he wants with it. even open up a porn site.

--directhex

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[This message has been edited by directhex (edited July 16, 2000).]

you have way too much free time on your hands. And you are kinda creepy. I have this notion that you would be stalking ch1ckie if you could find her. Make a friend...or buy a cat...maybe a plant - you can talk to it.

She may not be a supermodel, but on IRC you take what you can get.

[This message has been edited by Cigamit (edited July 18, 2000).]

Obviously, the bastardizations are cr0bar's thing, and you either like them or you don't. But otherwise, much of the content on detnet is the FORUMS. And who decides the quality of content in the forums? The users! So if you have issues with quality at the moment, perhaps you're placing blame in the wrong place. Just b/c cr0bar's el numero uno doesn't mean he should be everyone's whipping boy.

And I'm still all for detnet pr0n bastardizations! Anyone with me? Anyone...?

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But where is Gamera?

Anyways, I found ch1ckie's page in my bookmarks (I never delete anything) from way back when detnet had a links section. (Or I might have found detnet through ch1ckie's) but anyways, ppl were rioting over ch1ckie and her appearance, so I jumped to her page to see if there were any decent pics (everyone has a few shitty ones, so maybe this was one of the bad), browsed through the /images/ directory until I found a few, and then showed then to the wh1ners.

What a wank.

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