Topic: Fucknugget gets the big squirt
started by: Wolfguard
Bye bye you piece of shit.
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Confucius say: "Good for girl to meet boy in park. Better for boy to park meat in girl!"
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Originally posted by maximus:
Hey, I don't think Wolfie likes that guy too much!
Why should he? 168 men, women and children died because of this piece of shit. He made a decision that shattered the lives of thier spouses, parents and children. Send him to the flaming pits of hell. If anyone has seen the movie "Fortress" with Christopher Lambert, I think this fucker should have been intestinized. Lethal injection is too humane for a piece of shit like McVeigh
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Is it alright for the US government to bomb Iraq and pass off innocent people at day care centres as casualties of war?
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They have cats in the future?
Yes it is.
Now move along.
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I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole damn world can kiss my ass
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i cracked it..
now im just figuring it out...
brb
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shit....
ok maybe i didnt... ignore my notes or attempt to use them in this puzzle.
Either its a bullshit fake encrypted sig or i fucked up.
SLATE
edit: hmm, no, i don't want to give (m)any hints, but i wouldn't use that method if i were you.
This message has been edited by TonyDennis on June 11, 2001 at 09:00 PM
a->d
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i think. too lazy to translate it though.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here
The chinese would kill the offender by injecting them with opium.
then cutting off a limb.
then injecting them again, so they can see themselves getting cut apart, limb by limb.
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quote:
Originally posted by Neophyre:
i can think of a much better way to kill little timmy.The chinese would kill the offender by injecting them with opium.
then cutting off a limb.
then injecting them again, so they can see themselves getting cut apart, limb by limb.
Fuck that... Think "chinese death of a thousand cuts" Its where they give you paper cuts all over your body and you bleed to death from them over several days... Needless to say its an ongoing process. They could televise it like a jerry lewis telethon but get people to guess exactly when hes gonna die.
BTW Nobodys guessed my sig yet... Im waiting.
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quote:
Originally posted by Cyrino:
Let me ask you this:
Is it alright for the US government to bomb Iraq and pass off innocent people at day care centres as casualties of war?
No, but Iraq is the only country who seems to like to build their military and chemical warfare sites next to hospitals, schools, and day care centres. I wonder if its because it reinforces their "Great White Satan" propaganda every time we bomb them. . . .ya think?
quote:
Originally posted by TonyDennis:
Hm, for once I agree with something l33t has to say. The Lethal Injection and the Electric Chair are too humane for these kinds of people. I think they should be drowned and revived over and over again a random number of times, but don't tell him that. Tell him that the next time, they aren't going to revive him. Or maybe the NEXT time...-Tony
WTF are you talking about the electric chair isnt humane its one of the worst ways to die there is!!! you literally cook from the voltage for an average of 15 minutes you shit and piss yourself. havent you ever seen the film the green mile? its like that only worse. and how the fuck can they let people watch someone being executed thats just fucked up.
[thedaytoday] Juuuustice [/thedaytoday]
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not many cars to nick here so instead they hijack pedestrians
and run them around at terrifying leg speeds
its called git surfing
all too often the git is one of their own mothers
the latest trick? catapult them into a shop
Oh, and Sithiee, nice try but no cigar! This cipher is a little more complex than a simple caezar shifter.
quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
WTF are you talking about the electric chair isnt humane its one of the worst ways to die there is!!! you literally cook from the voltage for an average of 15 minutes you shit and piss yourself. havent you ever seen the film the green mile? its like that only worse. and how the fuck can they let people watch someone being executed thats just fucked up.
And its still to humane for these animals. Bring out the pile of wood and burn these fucknuggets at the stake!
If someone did one of mine your damm skippy i would be there to make sure they were dead. If your going to rob me of the chance to do it myself you can bet im going to be there to make sure the job is done right. Ill be right at the glass looking right into their eyes with that evil grin of mine.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dysorderia:
Ah yes.
The joys of being a stubborn piece of trailer trash.
Ah yes.
The joys of being eurotrash.
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quote:
Originally posted by Wolfguard:
Ill be right at the glass looking right into their eyes with that evil grin of mine.
Hed be all pressed up against the glass like a little kid looking at candy.
I like the starvation idea. How about a slow acid drip into his circulatory system so hed melt himself from the inside out. Or use in testing for the cDc. "Mr. McVeigh meet our new friend, Mr Ebola."
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Drip.
Drip.
Drip.
Fucker.
Drip.
Enjoy 
suspened above his restrained body by a pendelum...
with the radius is controlled by the random decay of a radioactive particle that that can raise and lower the height.
lol. I thought of this today well talking to a friend about how in Bond movies they take such elaborate means to "kill" Bond.
Bond roxors
Oh how i long to be eurotrash...
I'm not completely convinced one way or the other on the death penalty, so I'm asking those of you who are to explain your position.
*adding fuel to the fire for the sake of argument*
Drawing from McVeigh's own words, why should those who murdered the scores of people in Waco, Texas get next to nothing for almost the same thing he did. But of course McVeigh doesn't have the CYA power the federal government does.
Please note that I am not taking this argument personally. I have nothing against anyone here based on views he or she has concerning the death penalty. I'd like to see an intelligent discussion without a flamewar.
Thank you.
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When 1337 hax0rs start impaling each other with swords and typing code with a hook on one hand, then they can modify the term "pirate."
and what if a few years later ots found that it wasnt really him/her? oops we killed them too late if we'd ut them in prison we could have brought them back
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not many cars to nick here so instead they hijack pedestrians
and run them around at terrifying leg speeds
its called git surfing
all too often the git is one of their own mothers
the latest trick? catapult them into a shop
I'm not big on the humane thing, or the "kill the criminals!!" thing. I say torture them, but let the fucker die "normally". That's just my $.03's (yes, three), and I agree this is a topic that should be debated, not flamed on...
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quote:<L33T is a dumbass>
Originally posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d:
Ah yes.
The joys of being eurotrash.
/me is not insulted by that statement because England is not part of Europe.
</L33T is a dumbass>
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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here
quote:
Originally posted by Sithiee:
.We should make him work the rest of his life. Make him be a janitor or something. a shit job, literally.
on behalf of all janitors i resent that.
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NO really this is a good topic but I can't seperate the death penalty from imprisonment. In my mind punishment is punishment. I am an 18 year old american and i have never as far as i know entered into contract with this countries laws however simply by living here i can be convicted and sentenced to death? I
I don't know how i feel about Corporal punishment, but the ideal prison (since there must be prisons apparently) would be a cryo freezer with nural rehabilitaion, suchas in "Demolision man"
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My inner child has gone mad from the bitter cold and darkness that is my soul.
All I'm saying is that if someone gets the death penalty, they should be in the chair in a few months.
And the reason I support the death penalty is simply to keep society safe from THEM. I belive that it's on a whole differnt level from jail, which is meant to punish people. Dead is just, "Outta the pool! OUT! OUT!" And to make ME pay for them to live in jail the rest of their lives is punishing ME, not them... so fuck that!!
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Well here is the breakdown for all of you who are unfamilar with this wonderful piece of writing. Basically the founding fathers thought it was some how inhumane to torture people (Where did they get that idea). (yeah yeah I know we hanged blacks and stuff during civil war times all the way until the 50s but we can talk about that in other thread right now I am concentrating on the Bill of Rights)So anyone who posted that Tim should have been tortured to death- the Constitution prohibits it. In fact I believe that if a death penalty case came before the high court today dealing with anything besides lethal injection they would have a pretty split decision. Many states that do still use the death penalty no longer gas, electrocute or hang their death row inmates many of them have switched to the more humane way of killing (as if there is such a thing) of lethal injection.
The ambigiousness of the Constitution is purposeful. Our founding parents (hey gotta be PC) wanted us to interpret laws not just uphold them. Was Tim McVeighs death a travisty of justice... I think so- he wanted to die and we gave him what he wanted. He wanted to be a martyr for his cause, and he was. He wanted people to remember him for doing this and they will- for years to come.
The Constitution isnt black letter law- its open for interpretation hence the reason we have a Supreme Court. Timothy McVeigh- the fact that everyone is so stuck on him- means that he got the last word in this whole deal and those poor souls who died in this tragedy- can you name one...
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L'absence est à l'amour ce qu'est au feu le vent; Il éteint le petit, il allume le grand.
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Think about it...
This message has been edited by Non on June 12, 2001 at 11:22 PM
I can say without question that if someone killed a member of my family or a close friend, got "life" in prison and then was released on parole, I would have no qualms over killing them in cold blood on the street. Sure, I'd go to jail - but I could plead insanity as a defense (wouldn't you flip your lid if some sick bastard murdered your mother?)
As far as my preferred method of execution for crimes, that "Death of a Thousand Cuts" sounds promising. Starvation could be good as well ... maybe keep them alive (but conscious) while various medical experiments are conducted on them. Or if Canada ever gets the death penalty back, a truly Canadian death - being mauled by a bear/cougar, or even worse, having the flesh literally stripped from your bones by blackflies.
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quote:Ah yes.
Originally posted by j0eSmith:
Yes.
Yes it is.
Now move along.
The joys of being a stubborn piece of trailer trash.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dysorderia:
L33T is a dumbass>
/me is not insulted by that statement because England is not part of Europe.
</L33T is a dumbass>
Ok fucknugget, what is it part of?
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Originally posted by Sithiee:
make him work the rest of his life. community service or something. make him be a janitor or something....
Ok, im going to give the keys to a building to a person that bombed one and have them clean it.
Just pointing this out.
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quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy:
Well in the US we have this thing its called the Bill of Rights and in this Bill of Rights we have this other thing called the 8th Amendment which prohibits *Cruel and Unusual Punishment* Anyone ever read this document.Well here is the breakdown for all of you who are unfamilar with this wonderful piece of writing. Basically the founding fathers thought it was some how inhumane to torture people (Where did they get that idea). (yeah yeah I know we hanged blacks and stuff during civil war times all the way until the 50s but we can talk about that in other thread right now I am concentrating on the Bill of Rights)So anyone who posted that Tim should have been tortured to death- the Constitution prohibits it. In fact I believe that if a death penalty case came before the high court today dealing with anything besides lethal injection they would have a pretty split decision. Many states that do still use the death penalty no longer gas, electrocute or hang their death row inmates many of them have switched to the more humane way of killing (as if there is such a thing) of lethal injection.
The ambigiousness of the Constitution is purposeful. Our founding parents (hey gotta be PC) wanted us to interpret laws not just uphold them. Was Tim McVeighs death a travisty of justice... I think so- he wanted to die and we gave him what he wanted. He wanted to be a martyr for his cause, and he was. He wanted people to remember him for doing this and they will- for years to come.
The Constitution isnt black letter law- its open for interpretation hence the reason we have a Supreme Court. Timothy McVeigh- the fact that everyone is so stuck on him- means that he got the last word in this whole deal and those poor souls who died in this tragedy- can you name one...
I think some people here are taking this way too seriously. We have a man who was just put to death for commiting the worst internal act of terrorism in our history. He wanted to die..well good because we wanted him to die. You can say that we let him win by giving him what he wanted, and that now he will be remembered for a while but guess what. HES FUCKING DEAD. From my point of view, he lost in the worst possible way. How did he win if hes not here to enjoy it? Weve proved now to all the militias, branch davidians, and other wacko conspirorists that if you fuck with us, WE WILL KILL YOU. Now when im at the track, and I see that wall at the end coming up at 160 mph. I hit the brakes because I DONT WANT TO FUCKING DIE. But thats just me.
Now we have a bunch of people here on this forum talking about all the ways to torture and kill a convicted terrorist that killed 168 people in one of the most brutal ways possible. None of us are serious but it feels good just to picture it in your mind. Did you know that the parents and grandparents of the kids in the daycare centers didnt even have a whole baby to bury. How goddamn civil would you be if all they could find of your grandson was a leg and a hand? That fucker should have been mutilated and made suffer the pain of 1000 lifetimes. But he cant, hes dead and its over with now. Let us have our fun disecting him and putting him to death in our own ways.
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Originally posted by Dysorderia:
[L33T is a dumbass>
/me is not insulted by that statement because England is not part of Europe.
</L33T is a dumbass>
Hey ass wrangler, my government says were no longer part of northern america. But oh wait WE STILL ARE. Now of the continents we have here on earth which one is england clostest to? North america, south america, asia, austrailia, antarctica or FUCKING EUROPE.
I bet your family is from france.
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quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy:
Well in the US we have this thing its called the Bill of Rights and in this Bill of Rights we have this other thing called the 8th Amendment which prohibits *Cruel and Unusual Punishment* Anyone ever read this document.
Fuck the Bill of Rights. Did McVeigh consider the "rights" of the 168 whom he killed, and the thousands more he traumatized, including the families of the victims? I'm sure that slowly suffocating/bleeding to death underneath several tons of broken concrete wasn't a "cruel and unusual" way to die... and penises grow on trees. I've had enough of this "rights of the criminal" shit.
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quote:
Originally posted by Non:
on behalf of all janitors i resent that.
BTW... I wasn't offended. In general I DO have a shit job. However, I'm freak enough to actually LIKE it! And I don't expect anyone else to like it, or even understand why IIII do.
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and WG, im pretty sure you understood what i meant.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here
I always wanted to see this on people's court.
"Rusty, take him out back and shoot em' in the head. They are just to stupid to live"
I knew what you ment about the shit job thing. I just wanted to point out how funny your example was. Since he is a federal prisoner guess what buildings he would be cleaning?
How about this. We take all these people and we put them to work turning generators for power. You could get a lot of use out of them.
Then again im my twisted little world i would make timmy run the generator to charge a big battery that i would of used to power the electric chair i would of roasted him in.
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quote:
Originally posted by Wolfguard:
[B
How about this. We take all these people and we put them to work turning generators for power. You could get a lot of use out of them.
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Theres your answer to the califonia energy crisis.
Reporter: "Do you have a hydro elctric plant or nuclear facility near by?"
Redneck: "No, we's got prison power"
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Edit:In my country, we speak english.
This message has been edited by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on June 14, 2001 at 05:27 AM
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personally, im against the death penalty. yeah, he killed a lot of people. but now we're killing him. how are we better? because it was revenge? if we are better, then we wouldnt be killing them.
get off your high horse and your "im so morally right" attitude. mcveigh is a psychopath, who had no moral objections to killing 150 civilians. it's not like he felt guilty about it. keeping him in jail would serve no purpose. the reason why people are sent to prison or executed is NOT to punish them, it's so that JUSTICE IS SERVED (in the eyes of society).
Personally, I say fry them all. If you are a repeat offender, you die. You rob someone, get out of jail, rob someone again, you die...
I'd be more than willing to pull the switch. We need drive through executions! Make the defendants chair at his trial and electric chair!
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jim
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if someone robs a store because he is poor or a drug addict and does it again when he gets out, then he should be rehabilitated, not killed. if someone rapes a women, then does it again when he gets out, then thats another story.
Screw housing criminals... We need one of those futuristic island prisons, like in the movie No Escape (I think)... Where you just toss these fuck faces on an island and let them kill each other.
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Hey, lets send all ours over to Australia now. Would be much more interesting than Survivor 2.
quote:
Originally posted by jim:
See, rape shouldn't have a 'next' time. Rapists get zapped the first time around.
That's pretty damn scarry considering what is filed under rape these days! 
If you're talking about REAL rape that's fine... but sometimes people don't KNOW that they're raping.
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I don't believe in stereotypes. I prefer to hate people on a much more personal level.
I realize, of course, that he was a convicted murderer 8 times over (not including the additional 160 he killed) and he also coped to several couts of conspiracy and attempted murder. However, my point was is it any better to have him dead, are we better as a society for his being gone. Granted he no longer takes up space on this planet but can we honestly say *justice* was done...
This brings me to an important discussion about the ambiguity of the Eighth Amendment and of course the Bill of Rights and Constitution in general. The Eighth Amendment reads:
*Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines inposted, nor cruel and unusual punishments be inflicted.*
Recently the Supreme Court ruled on a case of a Texas man who raped and killed a woman. Penry vs. Johnson (000 U.S. 00-6677 (2001) ) upheld the Eighth Amendment on the basis of jury misinformation and Penrys diminished capacity (cited by his attorney as being around 7 years old). However, he RAPED and KILLED this woman- and even admitted to in a court of law. The jury was instructed to take into account his diminished mental capacity, and then decide whether or not this man should live the rest of his life in jail or if he should die. They chose to let him die. This means that the jurty felt that he knew what he was doing in spite of the fact that his attorney telling them that his mental age was not more than that of a third grader. What does this say about our so-called *justice system*. I agree with the Supreme court, he was obviously not in control of himself and acted completely on impulse- however we disregardrd the jury and Penry is now serving life in prison and no longer on death row. Bare in mind that this is the second time the Supreme Court has ruled in Penrys favor.
This brings me back to Tim McVeigh. How can we say what is good for one is not good for another. What is *cruel and unusal*- because he kills 168 people due to his warped sense of militant justice that justifies his murder. In the same sense, he was not playing with a full deck either, I imagine if his lawyers tried hard enough they could have gotten him off on a similar technicality- citing post war (Gulf war) syndrome. Sure, it was deliberate, he killed those people to prove the Government wrong, but the jury in Penrys case believed that he was responsible for the rape and murder of that women, that it was a delibrate act- hence murder in the second degree, in spite of his mental condition and look what happened to him- life in prison.
There is all this talk about how far we can take the Eighth Amendment, what is cruel and unsual...etc. The same goes for the First, Second and Fourteenth Amendments. My point, simply put, is this, we can not arbitarily decide who falls under this vague and vacuous *cruel and unusual punishments* heading. What is good for one should be and must be good for all.
editz; its late ok...
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This message has been edited by Chrissy on June 14, 2001 at 08:21 PM
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Slobogin's argument is particularly timely, as the U.S. Supreme Court agreed last week to hear, for the second time, the case of Johnny Paul Penry, a mentally retarded Texas man condemned to death for the rape and murder of 22- year-old Pamela Moseley Carpenter. His first conviction was overturned in 1988, when the court ruled that his rights had been violated because the jury was not properly allowed to consider his mental capacity.
Also note,
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In fact, in 1999 psychologists with the Institutional Division removed Penry's mental retardation diagnosis. In a clinical entry dated May 17, 1999, psychologist Michael Gilhousen, Ph.D., noted the following:It should be noted that he is not currently diagnosed as mentally retarded due to 1) lack documentation of formal intellectual and adaptive behavior assessment despite several psychiatric opinions based only upon interview data; 2) Demonstrations of adequate adaptive behavior on this unit (work capable, ability to analyze risks, working knowledge of the legal case, etc.); 3) his demonstrated ability to read and write (he sends us letters, read and writes in front of social workers); 4) the difficulties he presents are no different in kind or severity than other normal functioning Death Row offenders.
If you are saying that the goverment should strip money away from MY MOTHER FUCKING PAYCHECK every month, so that this raping murdering piece of fucking retarded shit can live out the rest of his disgusting worthless life..... AHHHHHHHHHHHHH No... Kill him. Let me kill him!!!
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jim
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quote:Probably not, stomper, but if we take away his constitional rights, then we would need to take away everyone else's rights as well.
Originally posted by The_Stomper:
Fuck the Bill of Rights. Did McVeigh consider the "rights" of the 168 whom he killed, and the thousands more he traumatized, including the families of the victims?
That's just the way the american government works.
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When I take my place, I will know my purpose in Life."
Dysorderia
quote:
Originally posted by Dysorderia:
if we take away [b]his constitional rights, then we would need to take away everyone else's rights as well.[/B]
That’s horrible logic. The constitution is in place to protect the rights of LAW ABIDING citizens, IMO when you are CONVICTED of such a crime then you should lose all such rights and the protection that they grantee.
quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy:
my point was is it any better to have him dead, are we better as a society for his being gone
Yes.
If your dog were to get rabies would you put it in a cage and keep it alive for as long as possible?
That is basically all that mcveigh was.
We were given the choice to destroy the rabid animal, or to keep him caged (at an insane expense) for the rest of his natural life.
As for your question of whether or not we are better then him in our act of violence then he was in his, I feel that the answer is yes. If we were to go around randomly executing people (as he did) then we would be the same, but that’s not what we do. We eliminate the few individuals who are a danger to the majority of the population, nothing more.
I have to wonder, if one of your parents or siblings had been killed in that blast and the only thing that rescue crews were able to find for you to bury was a bloody hand, would you still have been so against seeing mcveigh die?
I completely agree with Jim, we have death-row inmates dying of NATURAL CAUSES for fuck’s sake. I say line the pieces of shit up and be done with them.
For a society that the media portrays as slightly bloodthirsty and totally desensitized to violence, we sure do get weak-kneed when it comes to dispensing punishment.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dysorderia:
Probably not, stomper, but if we take away [b]his constitional rights, then we would need to take away everyone else's rights as well.That's just the way the american government works.
[/B]
This from a person that thinks england is not part of europe.
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quote:
Originally posted by CatKnight:
england isn't part of europe fool.
In general, your posts are reasoned, and logical, and I have a great deal of respect, for you, CK.
But on this issue, you're so wrong, right left the building before you got there.
"Europe" is a Geographical Term, refferring to a Continent. By Geographical Convention, Islands on the continental plate of a continent are refferred to as part of that continent (cf. Rhode Island in North America, New Zealand in Oceania).
So, England is Undoubtably a part of Europe. It is *not* a full member of the European Union, or that body's monetary currency, but that doesn't change the fact...
England is part of Europe.
Tony
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This message has been edited by Trog on June 18, 2001 at 08:00 AM
So There! :P
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edit: this is a case where your "simple stupid" plain-in-the-face ala ptolemy logic is incorrect. just because england is near the mainland of the continent doesn't mean they are part of the political organization.
This message has been edited by CatKnight on June 18, 2001 at 10:16 AM
is the island of england part of europe?
You missed my point entirely jim, so let me clarify.
The Supreme Court decision on Penry marks and important precedent in the area of the Eighth Amendment. I wil restate my point on the matter. The Texas governor (as I am sure you know) has a bill on his desk to stop the execution of all retarded inmates on death row. This goes to the validity of special case-by-case basis of the death penalty. We are saying that EVEN if you are fit to stand trial and convicted (twice) by a jury of your peers- because you are some how a *special case* you have the ability to live the rest of your life in jail instead of dying. My point is not *does this man deserve to die* or even *Is the Supreme Court decision valid* but rather - we make exceptions.
I will go back to my point about McVeigh. Had his lawyers convinced a jury that he was suffering from some kind of PTSD due to the Golf War- he may have had a chance to live the rest of his life in jail and not die. Where was McVeighs special case...He knew what he was doing- he dies. Penry knew what he was doing- he lives.
I am not arguing the validity of the death penalty, I am completely ambivalent on the subject to be honest. But I say this to the Supreme Court and Federal Courts who presided over this case. If Penry had killed a baby or raped a 12 year old girl, clearly knew what he was doing and admitted to it; woudl he still be allowed to live the rest of his life. I highly doubt this, despite his mental status. The simple fact is that there is a very substantial bias in thei country when it comes to the death pnealty and the law in general. The justice system does not hold everyone equally accountable. This is my point and it may be the last time I say it.
Justice was not done in the McVeigh case considering Penry and other cases that are similar in nature.
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a lot of you have said "kill him so I don't have to pay for him through taxes". You know with one more person in jail for the rest of their life, it'll probably only add about .0000000000000000000000000001 cents to your taxes... And in the case that this thread is about, I'd rather cough up the top part of the 1 in 1973 on a penny knowing the asshole's entire plan was screwed up then knowing he got exactly what he wanted, and knew was going to happen... just my .0000000000001 cents.
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Originally posted by Dysorderia:
/me is not insulted by that statement because England is not part of Europe.
</L33T is a dumbass>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That's the bigest bunch of crap I've ever heard. Long live the Queen of an entire continent. Rofl...England isn't a part of europe...riiiight...go take a course on geography you cocky english bastard.
Enjoy, bitch.
This message has been edited by TheTaxMan on June 19, 2001 at 08:59 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by TheTaxMan:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!That's the bigest bunch of crap I've ever heard. Long live the Queen of an entire continent. Rofl...England isn't a part of europe...riiiight...go take a course on geography you cocky english bastard.
Enjoy, bitch.
as jim would say, HEHEHEHEHHAHAHAHAHAHHHOHOHOHOOHO. sometimes people's ignorance FUCKING ASTOUNDS ME.
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Originally posted by jim:
You think that the cost of feeding, housing, medical treatment, guarding, paperwork, etc.. for 40 years would cost less 1 cook out? HEHEHEHEHHAHAHAHAHAHHHOHOHOHOOHO
Yes, actually. Give me some numbers so I'll shut up.
England(*blush*) is so a fucking part of Europe. I don't give two shits about european politics.
This message has been edited by TheTaxMan on June 20, 2001 at 11:01 AM
Cost of Death Penalty: ũ.88 Million Dollars per case.
And it should cost less than that! That above Death penalty figure includes State paid legal fees for appeals, and the cost of keeping their soon to be liquified asses! If they'd fry 'em at the trial and toss 'em in the dumpster out back, it'd be much cheaper.
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All people convicted of violent crimes go to a special jail. Every 15 days HBO hosts a pay-per-view event.
The Event: Put all those prisoners in a big cage. Last man standing goes free (but we send him to an enemy country such as Iraq).
Think of all the tax money that we could GENERATE off of these rejects of society!
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Might I suggest you listen to George Carlin's sketch called something along the lines of Prisons or Prison Camps or something like that. I have no link, sorry.