I'm thinking about this:
800mhz P-III, Apollo Pro chipset 133mhz bus
256mb 133mhz sdram 2-DIMMs
45gb ide hard drive @ 7200rpm
3dfx voodoo5 5500
kenwood 72x cd-rom and a burner to go with
sb live platinum
w/ a viewsonic monitor, modem, other peripherals, and speakers = 񘠄

What do you guys/gals think? A rip-off? A decent price? I mainly want this cpu for doing multimedia stuff (producing and programming music and editing video) as well as games, of course. Oh, and it would be nice if it lasted about 3 years before becoming completely obsolete.

This message has been edited by whiskey@throttle on October 02, 2000 at 06:23 PM

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"If it doesn't work, hit it with a hammer."

As for the monitor, it'll most likely be a flat screen ViewSonic 17".

Then I'm just getting an affordable Altec Lansing 3-piece (I primarily use headphones)

When pairing Plextor CD-RPOM drives with Plextor CD-RWs, you get the added benefit of bit-by-bit accurate disc duplication. That's right––Plextor's DiscDupe program allows you to make perfect replicas of any disc when using Plextor CD-ROM and CD-RW drives in tandem. This means you can make backups of everything from copy-protected games to Playstation discs, all without the fear of burning a tosser.

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They have cats in the future?

For real video editing, you're not going to want to use any popular gamer's 3D card. Of course, my definition of "real" video editing happens to be working with MiniDV.

If yours is turning Grandma's 80th birthday Hi8 tapes into 320x240 MPEGs for sending out over AOL, then by all means grab a 3D accelerator with vidcap thrown on

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And here's the part where I prove my sheer ignorance: Will a SCSI hard drive really make much difference? I haven't a clue. < www.hardwarecenter.com > said: In most cases, IDE drive outperforms an equivalent drive in the SCSI format. This, coupled with the lesser costs, makes IDE a better choice...It is only when you get into serious multi-tasking that SCSI is a real benefit.

I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious what you think about that.

Anyhow, I think the Plextor duo sounds pretty nice. I think I'll take that over a DVD-rom. I had just heard so many people recommending the Kenwood 72x (and it's pretty cheap).

get a slot-in 16x pioneer DVD, slots rule!
have a look at the mitsubishi diamontrons, cheaper than a sony, uses the same tube as a iiyama and viewsonic
definately a gerforce 2 gts ultra, possibly an ASUS one which has all the video ins/outs
mouse- important, try a M$ Intellimouse Explorer these are real sweet.
make sure you get and IBM 75GXP for the harddrive these things are the fatest IDE harddrive you can get will almost saturate a 66Mb/s

umm thats about all i can think of.

regards, reman

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firstly, check out < www.bunta.com >
They have the best net prices i've found

PIII 800
ASUS CUSL2 motherboard (rules!!! 815e Solano chipset)
go to < http://www.memory-man.com/ > for your memory. It is very overclockable.
ASUS 7700 video card (GeForce2 and there are two versions... one with all sorts of video inputs)
I took my PIII 800 and clocked it up to 900 (with a 150Mhz bus) It is rock stable under Win2K and ballsy fast. Got the whole deal for under 񘘐. And, I got a pretty transparent blue case. The only thing I screwed up was getting a cheap-azz burner.

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The only problem with Maxtors is that they suck.

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That's hiliarious! My cousin just brought his computer over yesterday saying that he couldn't FDisk his 20 Gig HD...

I tried the same, and it made this CaThunk, CaThunk, CaThunk... Noise while trying to verify drive integrity....

Pulled it out. Maxtor.

Told my cousin to go get his money back....

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Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder
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I've had a few hard drives fail on me, about 5--and guess what? the only one that _wasn't_ a Maxtor was a 6 year old Seagate 30 megger

heh heh

My vote fer sure goes with the IBM deskstar GXP's. i've read a LOt of reviews(www.storagereview.com is the best HD hardware site.) and I got 2 30 gig IBMs for my KT-7 RAID.
Pushin' 80 megs a second burst speed-- go RAID 0 !

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aventari
"A witty saying proves nothing." --Voltaire

We're going to need a "Maxtor" forum here soon :-)

I personally would never get anything but an IBM. I have them ranging in size from 500mb to 45gb, all of them still work and are quiet too.

As for the video card, I'd stick to an nVidia based card. Geforce 2 GTS if you're big into games and have some money to spend. A Geforce 2 MX if you're feeling thrifty.

Kenwoods are THE fastests drives you can get, but their DAE (for ripping CDs) isn't the best. So getting a DVD drive in addition to letting you watch DVDs would give you a drive that more than likely has better DAE.

For memory I'd try and max out the memory slot(s). If the mobo can support 256mb DIMMS get those. This leaves you the most room for upgrades later on.

That'll do for now I guess.

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now, however, I feel ashamed for buying them.

But yeah, I'm definitely going with 256mb sdram 2-dimms.

So (and here's where I once again show how little I know) what's DAE? How do DVD-roms exceed CD-roms in this respect?

800thunderbird
on the ABIT KT7-Raid board
2xIBM deskstar 30gig drives (7200RPM) in Raid array
with a Yamaha scsi burner
creative 8x dvd
and 256meg RAM..
annilator 2 GTS

i think the whole thing cost me about 񘍔
maybe a little more.
but youll save a shit load of money by going with a thunderbird instead of a pIII, and that money cant get you the scsi burner which is 100x's better than IDE in my opinion (considering you can burn while you play games or do whatever you want)

not only that, but the hard drives in the Raid array will out perform about any single drive you can get (IDE that is)

my #1 suggestion is the thunderbird dude, think it over.

I don't know if DVD-ROM drives are better per se for DAE, but in my mind, they would be (and to a greater extent, CD-R drives) since most CD-ROMs are built simply for speed and not much else.

There's a nice little benchmark test on pg. 170 of the new PCGamer, for anyone else who gets it. The table shows the ATI Radeon DDR 64 mb consistently outperforming the GTS. Granted, the GeForce2 Ultra is pretty kick ass, I don't think I can afford spending 軸. Perhaps the Radeon is a happy compromise, since it comes with DVD playback nad video capture. But I'm not sure...

This message has been edited by whiskey@throttle on October 04, 2000 at 07:09 PM

As for the Maxtor drives sucking, I know a lot of them have problems, but I've never heard of anyone with a Maxtor they bought in the past year having any problems at all. I've had excellent results with mine, and have not had a single data error since I got it. I am running my system at the 112 bus speed instead of 100 so it is slightly overclocked, and I have been almost constantly ripping CD's, copying the files from my C to my D, rearranging, deleting old versions, etc, and have now used up close to half of the 60GB drive. No problems whatsoever. It's a great performer.

Go ahead, laugh it up fuzzballs, you most likely haven't tried one. And it is helluva quiet, quieter even than any Western Digital I've seen, and they're very quiet drives. 60GB for 赨 is a bargain any time, and the quality I've experienced with this drive is above what I expected. Thumbs up for Maxtor on this one.

DVD drives are better at DAE because they usually don't have any speed problems. Using Audio Catalyst, I have found that CD only drives and CD burners tend to speed up the disk too fast, then have slow downs that cause numerous speed problems. The result is a lot of breaks and weirdness in the MP3's after encoding. Both the 6X DVD in my computer and the 12X DVD at work do not have this problem, the CD spins at a constantly increasing rate (as the laser gets further and further from the center of the disk, each revolution can store more data) and I have not had one speed problem, even while doing tasks that require a little CPU time in the background (such as watching a TV show on my TV tuner, or browsing the net while ripping). Besides, DVD movies rox0r on large screen monitors. One thing that the ATI card has to recommend it is one of the best DVD hardware acceleration solutions available on a graphics card. NVidia still has a ways to go in this department.

All my statements and reviews in this and my previous post were based on actual experience with the hardware in question, although I haven't had much chance to play with the Radeon because it's in my friends computer, not mine. My next machine will probably have one in it, unless a revolutionary new card comes out before I upgrade that blows the competition away. For now, i'm pretty happy with my ASUS GF 2 GTS since I can get between 50-80 FPS average at 1600x1200 on it in Q3 and UT.

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I know none of you will listen to me, but I found the MS Explorer mouse (five button optical one) to truely suck. Not only did the mouse (esp. the buttons) feel like it was made out of cheap plastic like a 2$ special, but it didn't fit my hand well and after about a week the wheel started to rub against the side of the mouse.

Trust me when I say Logitech all the way... speaking of which, anyone get one of the new logitech optical mice? Looks like all the features of the MS one, with Logitech's feel and quality... I may have to get one with my next paycheck.

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IIyamas are some really good monitors. I have the flat faced 17" one and would have its children if such an arrangement were possible. Sonys are good, but they arn't the only really good screens in town.

I am planning to get an all in wonder radeon for the TV and DVD facilities. This would also bring a welcome boost in power (better than this voodoo banshee, which used to be not so bad but now sucks majorly).

Oh yes. I have a cambridge four point surround 1000. Really good sound (i think, though i'm not much of an expert on this). Only problem is no headphone socket on 'em.

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The thunderbird sounds good, but isn't that a game-oriented processor? And aren't there problems with the ones that get overclocked over 1000mhz?

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Really just about any processor you can get these days is "fast enough" for anything except games. Pretty much the only reason for going for the current biggest and best is to get excellent game performance.

I don't know about "game oriented". Floating point usage is growing in games more than integers, but also other media-driven applications. Thunderbirds have good floating point capability as well as good integer ability.. I believe the thunderbird is quite well-balanced.

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Originally posted by Lordbrandon:
in a long time of buying equipment her is my experence on quality:

only buy: IBM hard drives
only buy: asus motherboards
only buy: sony monitors
only buy: microsoft optical mice
only buy: Nvdia 3d accelerator card (unless you are going for 2d stuff then you have some other options)
only buy: altec lansing computer speakers
only buy: amd, or intel chips

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I'm with you on everything but the speakers and the monitors...

Sony monitors kick ass, but ViewSonic's top of the line monitors are also excellent and usually about 贄 cheaper than the Sony. I've owned 3 ViewSonics over the past 10 years and never had a single one go bad.

Altec Lansing make good speakers, but to be truly l33t get a good stereo amp (the thing you'd run a tape deck or record player etc. thru) and some phatty Cambridge Soundworks speakers for it. Then go to Radio Shack and get a 1/8" stereo miniplug to RCA adapter and use it to plug your sound card into your amp.

Satellites + subwoofers sound ok, but there is nothing like having REAL speakers for supa phat sound quality...

oh yeah. Make sure to keep your REAL speakers a respectable distance from your monitor, otherwise you'll get funky colors.

If you have 4 channel output on your s/c (a soundblaster live or something), plug your front channel into your stereo system, and get some reasonable PC speakers for the rear channel... the rear channel doesn't have to thump, just sound good enough so you can tell where everything is.

As for the Athlon being a "game oriented" CPU... I own one @ 550MHz, my roommate owns a PIII CuMine 550MHz, we have pretty much the same equipment otherwise (IBM HDs, nVidia Geforce, etc.) and there is virtually no difference in performance on anything. His is a teensy bit faster in Photoshop... like if he runs a filter that takes 15 secs., it will take 15.5 secs on mine... he's mad because we both upgraded around the same time, and I TOLD him to buy Athlon, but he didn't listen and wound up spending about 赨 more than I did, and my system is more stable than his

This message has been edited by damien_s_lucifer on October 05, 2000 at 06:12 PM

only buy: IBM hard drives
only buy: asus motherboards
only buy: sony monitors
only buy: microsoft optical mice
only buy: Nvdia 3d accelerator card (unless you are going for 2d stuff then you have some other options)
only buy: altec lansing computer speakers
only buy: amd, or intel chips

if you can afford it get a cpd-G500 sony FD monitor or a gpm-G500 sony FD monitor, and if you cant. use your old monitor until you can afford one. there the best investment you can make. your monitor will be good for 8- 15 years unlike anything else you'll buy for your computer. and as for the quality, it is a joy every time i turn on my monitor, theese are the best normal sized monitors on planet earth, other monitors that compete are the apple 21" monitors (they use the same tubes as the sonys) and the 22" apple cinema display, that thing is total tits, but its 4000, same with the 24" sony

Actually I agree with you 100\% percent!

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Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
I'm with you on everything but the speakers and the monitors...

Sony monitors kick ass, but ViewSonic's top of the line monitors are also excellent and usually about 贄 cheaper than the Sony. I've owned 3 ViewSonics over the past 10 years and never had a single one go bad.

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why have you had 3 then?

hehe

whats the diff froim athlon and thunderbird? cause im gonna get a new athlon cpu and mboard tomorrow, 800mhz cpu, and abit KT7 mboard. can i overcloack the athlon higher than thunderbiutrd? hehe

Also, I cannot stress how much I recommend the ASUS boards. I will probably never go with anything else for a while. I lot of control, and I trust the company. Also, the 815e chipset (Solano2) rulez.

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Originally posted by Sithiee:
athlons are in slot A form, the AMD version of the slot 1 (like your p2/p3). thunderbird is in socket (370?) form, like your pre-p2 processors. i think its sposed to be faster, but i dont know...

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The socket thunderbirds go in is a socket A, which is different from that of recent p3s, whick use 370.

Also, AMD produce slot A athlons that are thunderbird cores.

AMD calls the thunderbirds athlons as well as calling the originals athlons. The main difference is that on the thunderbird the cache will scale clock speed wise, where as the rev 1 athlons cache would not exceed 350MHz(i think).

All recently produced athlons are thunderbirds, but if going for a slot a athlon ask the retailer if it is a thunderbird or not.. Thunderbirds are a bit better.(some retailers may have back-stock of the original athlon.)

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Originally posted by fatbitch:

[my stuff about Viewsonics deleted]
why have you had 3 then?

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whats the diff froim athlon and thunderbird? cause im gonna get a new athlon cpu and mboard tomorrow, 800mhz cpu, and abit KT7 mboard. can i overcloack the athlon higher than thunderbiutrd? hehe

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Athlon is AMD's brand name for both the original K7 chip in the Slot A package, and the revised K7 core (codenamed Thunderbird) in the Socket A package.

The major differences :

Slot A Athlon : available from 550MHz - 1GHz, 512K off-die L2 cache running at 1/2 to 1/3 CPU speed.

Socket A Athlon (aka Thunderbird) : Available from 700MHz - 1.2GHz, 256K on-die L2 cache running at full CPU speed.

In most applications (including games), the Thunderbird is gonna be about 10\% faster than the older chips because of the faster L2 cache. Also, AMD has dicontinued production of Slot A Athlons... you can still get them, but I'd only recommend it if you ALREADY own a Slot A motherboard. Otherwise, get a Socket A, AMD will make the Thunderbird chips thru at least 1.5GHz.

I've heard of the existence of Slot A Athlons using the TBird core, but they're extremelly rare and will only work if your mobo uses the AMD chipset... if you have a Via chipset your fux0red.

And take heed of this VERY important fact :
Socket A Athlons WILL NOT WORK in a Socket 370 board. They won't even fit. They have more pins (462, I think) and a completely different bus.

Socket 370 : 66/100/133MHz bus, Intel Pentium Pro protocol (so why didn't they use Socket 8? Hmm...)

Socket A : 200MHz (DDR) bus, DEC Alpha EV6 protocol

'course my Athlon is a 550MHz Slot A... I want a Thunderbird, dammit!!! But I can't complain, an AMD rep gave me the chip for free when I said "if I'm gonna sell and support this chip, I really ought to have one to play with..."

This message has been edited by damien_s_lucifer on October 07, 2000 at 03:46 PM

how easy are these baby's to overclock?and how far will it go? i also ordered this cool looking Chrome Orb heatsink/fan combo thingy, it looks like it cools pretty well
< http://www.thermaltake.com/du0462.htm >

This message has been edited by fatbitch on October 07, 2000 at 10:16 PM

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As far as I remember slot 1 was a marketing ploy back in the day, cos it looked bigger but took up less space on the board. Plus it was a cheeky way for them to keep the L2 cache off the chip and slow things down, so you could pay extra for the "Xeon" versions that had the L2 cache onchip, even though it was still a slot 1. Or something. :P

Mike

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Athlons use Slot A, their version of Slot 1, and Durons (celeron competitors) use Socket 370 I think. Not sure about Athlon T-Birds though.

All just what I think, may not be right, hence the "I think and AFAIK" all the way through it

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If you placed the order for it, go back and change it, unless your pretty good with a die grinder or REALLY good with a hacksaw.

The chrome orb sticks out over the CPU, and on the KT7, there's a row of tall capacitors near the socket, and the edge of the orb hits them and wont fit. I've got a Golden Orb on my Duron with the KT7-RAID and when i got it, I almost broke the capacitor off the motherboard trying to force it over
So i busted out the dremel and grinded off the edge of the heatsink so it fits now, but in general: One shouldn't have to take power tools to one's computer parts.

You should check out the ALPHA PEP66 or a Global Win FOP32 or something if you're planning to overclock a lot. The orb do cool the CPU OK, but not optimally

Check this site for AMD(tm) approved HSF's and if you want links to some online stores selling good heatsinks, email me
< http://www1.amd.com/products/duron/thermals >

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"Where's the TV?" "TV is the devil's Tool." "Yeah. Where is it?" -- Beavis and Butt-head

and tell me which you would reccommend, and any other advice, thanks dude

btw, the pictures show the fans on heatsinks, but i have a feeling the prices are just for the fan, if you can clarify this it would also be handy thanks

This message has been edited by fatbitch on October 08, 2000 at 04:12 AM

What I dont understand is the Athlon (Thunderbird) CPU Cooler 1.1GHz
CEK733092 is ป.30 and the
Athlon (Thunderbird) CPU Cooler 1.1 GHz
CEK734092 is ล.60..
It's the exact same cooler it looks like.. It doesn't say anything about only coming with the fan, wierd

If you are going to overclock you'll probably want to check out this article here on HardOCP--it's a Heatsink comparison < http://hardocp.com/reviews/cooling/s37arndup/index.html >

Also you should use thermal grease on the heatsink instead of the crappy thermal tape that usually comes with them

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"Where's the TV?" "TV is the devil's Tool." "Yeah. Where is it?" -- Beavis and Butt-head

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ok i ordered it - Socket A 800mhz athlon, which is thunderbird according to damien.

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Yep, it is

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how easy are these baby's to overclock?and how far will it go? i also ordered this cool looking Chrome Orb heatsink/fan combo thingy, it looks like it cools pretty well

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Hmmm.... I don't know too much about ABit mobos. My store stopped carrying them when about 1/2 of the boards we got were coming back defective... we only stock ASUS boards now.

But if the ABit board is anything like the ASUS A7V (i.e. the motherboard supports tweaking the multiplier), overclocking involves grabbing a pencil and using it to connect some traces on the Thunderbird to allow it to respond to the motherboard's clock multiplier settings, then tweaking FSB, multiplier, and core voltage until you find a good combo.

I can't remember where I found the instructions to connect the traces, though. If anyone else knows where they are, post the URL, mmkay?

Also, be careful of fan/heatsinks that need to be twisted on (like the Chrome and Golden Orbs).. if they are not specifically designed for the Athlon, you'll crack the chip. When I build Athlon systems I use a regular hs/f combo by Cooler Master. Basically an oversized Socket 370 hs/f. It seems to work just fine even with 1.1GHz CPUs. I'll try and get the part number for you.

If you're lucky however, the traces will already come connected like mine did from the factory.
GL!

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aventari
"Anarchy may not be the best form of government, but it's better than no government at all"

any company who calls this a "minor bug" not worth fixing isn't worth your time.

however, my 250mb maxtor (circa december 94) still worked last time i needed it. (the western digital i bought to replace it melted on me)

--directhex

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< http://support.ati.com/infobase/3334.html >

any company who calls this a "minor bug" not worth fixing isn't worth your time.

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This bug came about around the beginning of this year. The laptops my school issued freshman had ATI Rage Pro chips in them. When this driver (2560) came out, people's computers started crashing, games stopped working, etc. The site you link says a workaround is to use the older driver... that's very unprofessional, if you ask me.

I had the same laptop, but I was running Win2K. I had to wait until April (almost 3 months) until a useful driver came out (ie. ran OpenGL).

Between 3dfx not supporting my old Voodoo Graphics card under Win2K, and ATI being total support crappies, i don't even know where to turn anymore. NVidia hasn't pissed me off yet.

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Originally posted by cr0bar:
Actually I've seen that happen on all 3D accelerators (and I've seen quite a few). Besides, why should one care about half-life performance on school laptops?

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After working my ass off all week, I want to sit down to a nice game of rape your neighbor with a blaster. I had to play QuakeII in software mode, or else move to my P166 with a Voodoo Graphics card and reboot to Win98 so that I can have drivers for it.

Even worse, school work. My senior design project was a 3D game FPS using DirectX. While it was supported by the driver, it was buggy as hell and slow. That was my biggest gripe.

That would've been such a great game if it was written in openGL and/or DirectX.. ahh well.

The only 3D cards i've ever had have been NVIDIA, and i have pretty much Zero complaints. if it aint broke...

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"Anarchy may not be the best form of government, but it's better than no government at all"

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Originally posted by askheaves:
Between 3dfx not supporting my old Voodoo Graphics card under Win2K, and ATI being total support crappies, i don't even know where to turn anymore. NVidia hasn't pissed me off yet.

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nvidia rules. They're still updating drivers for the old TNT chips (Detonator 3 supports them ) The only game I've ever had a problem with on my TNT2 card is Ultima IX, and that's because Origin decided to write the game for 3dfx's GLide and added a very crappy DirectX implementation as an afterthought.

nvidia also provides optimized XFree86 (for Linux) drivers with full accelerated OpenGL support. From what I've seen it's really rare for a manufacturer to do that.

This message has been edited by damien_s_lucifer on October 11, 2000 at 12:50 PM

What a bunch of crap. Can I downgrade from ME to 2000 if I got my paws on a win2000 disk?

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What a bunch of crap. Can I downgrade from ME to 2000 if I got my paws on a win2000 disk?

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FYI: Win2K is an upgrade from WinME. (I assume you know all this) Win2K is based off of NT, WinME is an extension of Win98 (like, Win98 TE).

The beauty will come when codename: Whistler comes out. It is the final integration of the NT kernal with all of the useability of Win98. Apparently it's in beta right now and you can find copies out on IRC somewhere (i've never used IRC), but I haven't gotten it in the MSDN subscription at work. Oh well.

Side note: does anybody have any idea why WinME crashed on my machine after the powersaver monitor turns off? I move the mouse to bring it back, then I get scrambled screen going to BSOD. Damn frustrating.

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I'm going back to win98se and dual booting with 2k and linux for sure

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"Anarchy may not be the best form of government, but it's better than no government at all"

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Originally posted by aventari:
I'm going back to win98se and dual booting with 2k and linux for sure

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<Algore> Maybe I misunderstood my opponent when he said he was dual booting, but doesn't that add up to three? </Algore>

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Originally posted by aventari:
ME sucks in my opinion. I'm running it now, i used to run 98SE, and ME is so much less stable it's scary. Plus a lot of my old software wont freaking run on ME at all. It sux0rz

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I like ME for one reason, and that's speed. Of course my ME install ate itself last night after I was stupid and decided to install all the updates to Media Player 7, which fucks up Adaptec EZ-CD Creator... but I followed the directions on Adaptec's web site and uninstalled EZCD, and then reinstalled it, and presto! instant blue screen and WinME wouldn't boot after that. So I deltree'd the Windows directory, reinstalled, got the burner software installed again, and the SAME FUCKING THING HAPPENED.

I miss DOS.

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Originally posted by askheaves:
<Algore> Maybe I misunderstood my opponent when he said he was dual booting, but doesn't that add up to three? </Algore>

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BTW: With Win2K, I've had uptimes of a couple of months on a P166 at school. The only reason it went down is because I wanted to play Quake (earlier rant about 3Dfx suxorz), so I rebooted to Win98SE. I swear by Win2K, except that the server edition won't recognize my network card (SMC Ultra 9000 ISA 10Mbit). Problem was solved by going to Computer Renaissance and buying a ผ 100Mbit card.

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Originally posted by Sithiee:
id rather have nt 4 over 2k.

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I'm sorry but I don't have 6 months to get nt4 working properly. Yes that's right 6 MONTHS!!!! The damn thing needs so many "service packs" (which translates into shit we forgot to put in the original) and the service packs are not compatitble with all hardware and they have to be done in a certain order..blah..blah..blah. NO thanks. While I admit nt runs sweet once it gets running, its a bitch to get going. win2k on the other hand first time no problems...none of this dicking around for 6 months.

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"That'll be 350 clams, please"

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"Anarchy may not be the best form of government, but it's better than no government at all"

too poor to upgrade, my PC was built on student loan money

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Originally posted by whiskey@throttle:
However, the programs I really need are on the third, and that disk only runs on Windows 2000. Lucky me, I have Windows ME.

What a bunch of crap. Can I downgrade from ME to 2000 if I got my paws on a win2000 disk?

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For most things, Windows 2000 sucks compared to ME... what software do you need that only works for 2000? I have a SB Live and there's a lot more software that WON'T work with 2K than will.

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This message has been edited by dido on October 13, 2000 at 09:20 AM

Lol!

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It's supposed to be real easy to use and i've heard lots of good things about it.

Only problem is little software availability.

Still. Will install the free version on a small partition as a curiosity and see how it goes.

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windows has application support, a broad user base and ease of use. thats why it dominates.

Linux has he best speed, security, and it's open source. Open source will dominate the future for sure

OS-X on wintel box0rs looks pretty badass too!

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"sooooo.. do you like...stuff?"

Installed BEos, booted into it, and despite professing to support USB mice it completely ignores the presence of my logitech optical.

Plus a lot of the windows key combos don't work, so i can't explore it properly...

Dammit.. I hope i can get that sorted out and have a poke around, but not an encouraging first impression.

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I may as well walk around wearing a billboard saying " I am 4 ll4m4 "

Still. At least that would give people something to laugh about that isn't my haircut.

This message has been edited by DuSTman on October 13, 2000 at 01:14 PM

The only good app I ever found for Be was Doom... except that my mouse didn't work inside the game. Oh well.

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Originally posted by askheaves:
It took me about 3 weeks to figure out how to change the resolution. .... I curse that friggin penguin.

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LOL All I managed to do with Linux was change the desktop picture. I was estatic. Then I realised that all I did was change the freaking desktop but I still couldn't use my computer, so I said fuck it and went back to windows. Sometimes I really hate Bill Gates for cornering the damn user-friendly OS market.

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Originally posted by Sithiee:
DUMBASS! when i say read peoples posts, i meant MY post. where i say that i based it off of what microsoft said. jesus christ you are a dumb motherfucker...

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Do you always insult people to make up for your own inadequacies??? Or are you just threaten by a woman who knows about computers?? Perhaps it all stems from your incesant belief in what microsoft tells you...that would fuck anyone up!

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Originally posted by DuSTman:
[IMG < http://www.dansoft.demon.co.uk/amdsold.png[/IMG] >

Lol!

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I bet you hundreds of Karma points that that picture wasn't rendered on an AMD K6-2 chip (or even a cluster of them).

Edit: neutered the reshowing of the pic

This message has been edited by askheaves on October 13, 2000 at 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by DuSTman:
How many people here have tried Beos?

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I tried BeOS 5 on my school laptop when it came out (April?). It was a very nice OS. The UI was pretty, install was a snap, etc. It was very Lunixy, but not real nasty like real Lunix. And, since I didn't want to mess things up too much, no boot sector crap was thrown onto my harddrive. If I wanted into BeOS, I put in a boot floppy and restarted.
I agree, though. I had the system loaded, running, played around with it... then went, "Uh, huh huh huh. Now what?"
I wouldn't mind runnnig Be as a server, but it's not a good desktop OS yet.

(If anybody doesn't recognize the Lunix spelling, it's a refference to Jeff K)

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Originally posted by Sithiee:
i didnt even say what vid card i have, so how the fuck would you know if the damn driver was released with win2k??

no, i have an asus vid card. it has geforce + tv options.
DUMBASS!

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UMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!! Obviously you were calling yourself a dumbass right?

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If the world were perfect would we be happy?

Win2k is good, but dosnt support enough hardware.

WinME blows chunks out the ass.

Win2k Adv. Server is the best way to go if you have the RAM (like 256 is best I think)

Win98se is, sadly, the best windows platform to date besides win2k adv. server.

Just use Linux :P

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I love Kari p00h! :)

Win98SE is the best so far, sadly. WinME is basically the same thing, only it works with less hardware, and Win2K Pro would be really awesome if it weren't so god damned quirky.

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