Forum: The Classroom
Topic: minesweeper
started by: directhex
Posted by directhex on Jun. 18 2000,13:12
personally i think it sucks. but since the coolest game ever post seems to be overrun by people who think otherwise, how about swapping best times here rather than there?--directhex ------------------
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Posted by masher on Jun. 18 2000,13:15
When my sister plays minesweeper, she sets to a big field with the minimum number of mines.She finishes it in about 3 seconds if shes slow. And she wonders why I call her a cheat.....
Posted by PersonGuy on Jun. 18 2000,13:31
Hehe... I used to do that... then I read the help file and learned how to play. I can't remember my old scores (new computer)...I've never beat it on the hardest... I always seem to lose on the last 6 or 7 mines, but Beginner and Intermediate are easy for me. ------------------
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Posted by Chrissy on Jun. 18 2000,13:54
Im not a big fan- can't remember when i played last.
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Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 18 2000,14:32
My actual times vary depending on my mood, and I frequently just don't finish the game, but at Expert I think I'm down to a minute and a half. I don't feel like looking it up now  ------------------
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Posted by neotope on Jun. 18 2000,15:39
The reason why Minesweeper is so popular is because the concept is so simple. The first couple times you play the game you understand what you are supposed to do. The problem is just because the concept is easy doesnt mean that the game is easy. You have to play Minesweeper forever to be able to master it. I also think that people like it because it is so simple and they can play a game in a couple minutes and I mean even on my 486 minesweeper runs excellent.
Posted by Mike on Jun. 19 2000,13:45
i never really played minesweeper much. I would just change the ini file and put me as the high score on all three dificulties with a time of 0. personally, i like NT pinball.------------------
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Posted by Lordbrandon on Jun. 19 2000,16:22
I love mine sweeper and solitare
and mine sweeper the only game on my palmpilot that sounds like im doing something imporntant
Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 19 2000,21:18
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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 19 2000,22:00
actually, it does take a lot of skill, its not a set pattern, and those who think more logically do a lot better. i have a friend who plays far too much, btu i still beat him easily, and ive been playing less time. it really is a skill
Posted by mebs on Jun. 19 2000,23:35
Honestly, I really couldn't think of any topic of discussion more l4m3 than this...Hey, just my opinion... and besides, who am I to say what's lame, being a l4m3r of the worst sort myself, eh?  ------------------
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Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 20 2000,00:31
You just have to be good at figuring out what each square is based on the blank squares and numbers exposed so far. But yes, it does help to be good at logic. (In my discrete mathematics course, I aced the logic test when most everyone else got C's and D's. Not to brag, of course )------------------
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Posted by Proteun on Jun. 20 2000,05:41
Mine sweeper = amazing. But that doesn't mean that a person who is good at it is amazing. all it takes is practice to become really good at it, not super skillz. Some people think that if they rock Minesweepers world they can rock it all, but it's all theory that can be easily learned.------------------
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Posted by aventari on Jun. 20 2000,05:52
me and my friend used to compete to see who could get the fastest time on beginner level. I got down to like 8 or 9 seconds.
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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 20 2000,08:30
logic is good when your making AI, when i was making a tic tac toe AI, i gave it logic skills so good that the only way to win is to set up a trap. It doesnt bother trying to win, just makes sure you dont.
Posted by The_Hiro on Jun. 20 2000,18:10
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Originally posted by Proteun:
...all it takes is practice to become really good at it, not super skillz. Some people think that if they rock Minesweepers world they can rock it all, but it's all theory that can be easily learned.
Yeah. Minesweeper's like most things. Chess for example. In chess, a good analytical mind is a boon. But you can also learn to be a solid player even if you don't have innate talent. It's all about learning how to break the game down into manageable pieces... In minesweeper, as in chess, learning to recognize certain patterns is half the battle.
Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 20 2000,20:13
chess isnt really much like minesweeper, im sorry, but i can tell you that straight up. yes, chess is a logic game, but not nearly in the same way. in minesweeper you use logic to figure out where mines are. in chess you have to use logic to figure out what the opponent would do, based on their playing style. thats why every new minesweeper game is progressivly easier, because your learning it. in chess, every new opponent is different, so you just dont know. (im on the chess team, believe me, its not as easy as minesweeper)
Posted by The_Hiro on Jun. 20 2000,21:28
Damn. Sithiee caught me in my lie.  What I meant by my comparison between chess and minesweeper is that both are subject to the popular misconception that only smart people can get good at them. In both cases you don't have to be a genius to get good at either of them (although it helps). Getting good at minesweeper involves picking out patterns at higher and higher levels. Getting good at chess involves studying openings, developing the ability to recognize weak pawn structure, learning to recognize positions conducive to combinations, relating your current position to past positions that you've studied - a lot of pattern recognition (of course the ability to calculate is important too, but I think that perceiving patterns and forming an appropriate strategy comes first. Calculating is a means of verifying that your chosen response is safe). In both cases acquiring the knowledge necessary to become an expert takes time - generally you aren't good right away. Even Bobby Fischer studied the game like a bitch, and apparently he wasn't all that good when he first picked up the game at the age of 7(?) (by this I mean relative to other 'expert' 7 year olds). I don't debate that chess is way more complex, subtle, and unpredictable than minesweeper (plus way cooler); and of course chess involves the human drama (unless you're playing against a puter). I'm just saying that you don't have to be a genius to get good at either one. Practice (and in the case of chess, study and game analysis) can go a long way towards improving your game. Course, I could be full o' shit.
I'm sure that I can depend on my fellow det-netters to tell me if this is the case. :P
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