I split a tab with my buddy around 10pm last nite. Almost eight hours later, and still... wow. Life is a beautiful thing.

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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
acid huh. you really are a stupid fuck!

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Drug evilness is blown way out of proportion. This is coming from someone who used to be against anything from smoking a cigarette to drinking a beer.

damn.

i hope to try this summer:
acid
dmt
ecstasy
shrooms
and more!

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Originally posted by Frosty:
Drug evilness is blown way out of proportion. This is coming from someone who used to be against anything from smoking a cigarette to drinking a beer.

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i never said anything against drugs i just think that people who take acid specificarly really are stupid fucks and thats about the only two words your brain will be able to contemplate after you've had your 13 year bad trip flashbacks

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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
i never said anything against drugs i just think that people who take acid specificarly really are stupid fucks and thats about the only two words your brain will be able to contemplate after you've had your 13 year bad trip flashbacks

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does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here

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aww man i missed one of jiggyfresh's insightful insights :D

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does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here

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ive done acid, xtc and shroomz, but what is this dmt you speak of? hope u dont mean dxm or something..

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I haven't done it yet, but I've read a LOT.

* Extensively researched. Naturally present in the brain. Thought to have no long-term side effects.

* 1 hour trip. 5 minute peak. Time perception in the peak is often broken - one does not know what time is.

* Trip is not like walking around saying 'ah ooh' like it's some kind of shitty fireworks display. Trip (or plateau, which this trip pretty much is) consists of completely warping to another universe in 5 seconds time. often people claim to arrive at the control center of the universe, where they see elves and hear alien music.

* The band shpongle < www.shpongle.com > 's albumn are you shpongled? (and the other for that matter) is all about dmt. are you shpongled is my favorite albumn of all music i've ever heard.

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where they see elves and hear alien music

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I would think they would see elves and hear elven music, or see aliens and hear alien music...
Hmm.. Wierd.

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often people claim to arrive at the control center of the universe, where they see elves and hear alien music.

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Um... I get that with out the drug.... Is that bad?

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Jim Bruer: I dont know.. fight mexicans or something.

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Originally posted by cr0bar:
...flashbacks just don't happen. It's pretty arrogant of you to dismiss a drug you've never tried. That goes for anyone If you haven't tried it, shut up, because you don't know what you're talking about.

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Actually flashbacks DO just happen. Normally during periods of high emotional or physical stress.

I know from experience.

In my opinion, getting involved in drugs is a big waste of time and money. I just watched that movie Traffic last night. I watching the sceen where those kids are getting all fucked up talking about life and stuff. It soooooooooo reminded me of how I used to spend my evenings.

I can sense the "Jim drinks beer, smokes, and uses caffine." coming... Shut the fuck up. For one, I don't drink to get drunk. Sometimes that is a side effect of me drinking, but that a very rare side effect. Caffine and Cigarettes are an addiction. So are you telling me you hope to get addicted to drugs??? I'd really prefer NOT to be addicted to caffine and cigarettes the way I am... But that's what happens.

I'm not saying "don't do drugs" I could give a fuck less. I will however say that you should be responsible about it.

Snark saying

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I hope some of you get some bad shit like me and my friends have got in the past. Or have to drag you ODing buddy to the hospital or call his parents. Or give to much Acid to your girlfriend and have her freak out on you.

I guess everyone has to learn the hard way.

Have fun doing it.

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1) youre a stupid bitch

2) we can do what we want

3) we dissagree with you so everythign we say in our defense is 'mindless drivel'?

4) youre a stupid bitch

5) who said cro is the reason any of us do drugs

6) you stupid fuck

7 etc...) go and fuck your self

hope that cleared that up

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Originally posted by RenegadeSnark:
Likewise! I used to be against everything. Then I smoked a joint...

damn.

i hope to try this summer:
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ecstasy
shrooms
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Oh, no. Marijuana isn't a gateway drug

BTW: It's about responsibility. If you think you can keep yourself under control when your brain stops functioning like a normal human brain, then go right ahead. I personally won't drink my ass off unless I'm within feet of where I'm going to collapse that night. I won't do a ton of pot right before driving a car. You tend to forget that you're driving, and then it's a revelation of the universe when you remember.

However, my favorite weed game is:
"Dude, what were we just watching?"

It's hours of fun for the whole family!

And, Snark, you're an idiot going for going on a quest. That does not make you cool.

And, Syf0n, you're an idiot for not having the whole story, yet speaking with authority.

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This is very true. Unfortunatly I don't think people are informed enough to make responsible decisions about drugs. Do you really know what you are getting when you buy that pink pill from so and so at the party?

Drug taking can yield various results. It's really russian roulette! I mean, statiscally it's safer to do drugs, than it is to drive. But you basically HAVE to drive. You don't HAVE to do drugs.

I'll be the first to admit I was NOT a very responsible drug taker. But looking back, drugs were part of the reason.

For instance, tripping and then around peak time realizing how much I needed a joint or a carton of OJ, and driving to the store.

Once I really started doing Acid all the time I was taking on average 20 hits per day. 10 strip when I woke up, and then another one right after school.

I drove from Daytona Beach Florida to San Diego straight through on 26 hits of Acid.

After taking 12 hits of Acid me and my friends climbed to the top of a 100 foot tower, then climbed out over the balcony and hung from the bottom while the whole tower swung left to right. We then proceeded to go to a graveyard in Florida where they bury people in tombs becasue of the sea level. We busted open a grave just to see if there was really a body in there.

Sick and twisted? Yep. Would I ever do that sober? Nope.

Ahhhhhhh, the memories. The time Fred turned in to the Devil on my parents driveway. Jessica freaked out and ran away. Then when we all chased after her, she freaked even more. Ran straight across busy Green Oaks and caused to cars to crash.

Or the time when Randy was huffin gas and looked at his left hand palm up, and his right hand palm down, and thought he had 2 left hands. He then went for the knife so he could cut the thumb off of his "righ hand" and move it the other side "where it was supposed to be"

Or the time when Louis wouldn't hook us up with some free pot so we busted in there wearing skee masks carrying guns and robbed a drug dealer.

Or the time when we stole a car, burnt the clutch out 30 miles from home. We walked back near the lake so the cops wouldn't see us on the road. Found a boat on a dry dock with the keys in it. Stole the boat and drove it back to the other side of the lake.

Man.......... I could go on forever.

You'll get to that point. Trust me. You won't even know it, but it'll happen eventually. It may have already happened to some of you. I used to tell these stories as the "good times"... Now I look back at what an idiot I was.

I'm so glad I've wised up.

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Some drug induced shit.

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Dude actually that sounds like it was pretty funny to watch. Im not saying it was right. But sorry Ida cracked up at most of that. Man when I was younger we used to blow shit up. We didnt take drugs... cause they slow you down when your running from the cops. I remember blowing a big ass oak tree in half with some homemade plastic explosives and ball bearings. With a little time and some chemistry knoledge you can really get some shit blowed up, and in trouble. Holy shit], black powder and napalm is a whole afternoon of fun...and a quick trip to the ER.

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In response to jim, and anti-drug sentiments in general.

First of all, don't confuse someone like me with the kids in the movie Traffic. For one thing, I don't use cocaine or hang around in motels in the slums They represent a stereotype--kids who sit around reveling in their teenage invincibility, snorting and smoking anything they can get their hands on. That's dumb, and you're right. They learn the hard way.

If I want to smoke some pot to take the edge off the day and enjoy some music, and occasionally dabble in some sort of psychedelic, I think that's different. Let's not get started on the cannabis vs. alcohol vs. nicotine debates, you'd be hard pressed to tell me it's a bigger vice. (A reminder for the people with brain damage, I said let's not get started on this one.)

Informed drug users (I like to think I am one) realize that drugs are part of life. American culture has a fascination with prohibition and the impiety of pleasure, and while I'm not saying that everyone should or would use drugs were this not the case, it's sort of arrogant to dismiss a whole realm of experience based on fear and/or propaganda.

As for flashbacks, my reading and research indicates that so-called 'acid flashbacks' are more similar to the flashbacks that war veterans sometimes experience (part of the famous 'Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder' condition). In this case, it's not the acid that's causing a flashback (No, it does not stay in your spinal fluids for years, although that's a popular myth), but the bad experience caused (probably) by (remember our kids from Traffic?) some dope who dropped ten tabs without knowing his limits. He had a really stressful experience (a 'bad trip'), a memory of which might be triggered years later. Slam a door on a vietnam vet with PTSD and you'll see what I mean--they'll hit the floor and search for cover. It's scary. If you can't handle your high/trip/roll, no, you probably shouldn't use drugs. However, if you're responsible enough to research a chemical before you smoke/eat/inject/insufflate it, know what to expect, what the risks are, and approach it carefully, I believe you've earned the right to experiment with it without being labelled as some sort of low self-esteem depressed idiot with no friends by people who think what you're doing is stupid either because they only know what they learned in D.A.R.E., or because their jackoff friends who didn't have a clue overdosed in high school.

I'm noticing a lot of WoD thinking permeating some of the posts here--perhaps it's more successful than I thought. To make an analogy using religion, just remember, when you say things like 'drugs are for losers', 'I don't need drugs to help my self-esteem', or 'You're hurting yourself and the ones you love', not only are you completely missing the point, you sound like Christians at bible camp: 'I don't need to have sex to be loved', 'I will not be tempted by the evils of the flesh', 'Jesus loves me, this I know, for the bible tells me so'. (And so on). Wake up, step outside, and educate yourself instead of living in fear or ignorance. Don't condemn something just because it scares you at some level (the way sex does the Christians) or because that's what mamma always taught you (and sent you to bible camp to learn).

Oh, and in response to Frosty's earlier question, I would suggest hanging out with marijuana for awhile before you start hardcore tripping. Cannabis is a mild hallucinogen, so if you use enough of it (not so much that it becomes unpleasant, but more than a single joint), you'll get a feel for some of the mental places that hallucinogens will take you. Tips for your good experience include having a sober friend around. Make sure it's a good friend who won't play games with you while you're tripping, and won't mind it if you say weird things. They also must be ready to stop you from doing anything that might hurt yourself, so don't pick a friend who's likely to freak out at your actions instead of calmly controlling the situation. Try to find someone who's tripped before, that will be way better than someone who's asking you 'whats it like?' every 30 seconds--trust me you will want to rip that person's head off. Don't try to be around too many people for your first trip. I would recommend taking whatever you take in your room with some music ready to go, and then waiting for the onset so you get a feel for what it's going to be like. It's best to time the plateau of your trip with something nice like a sunrise or sunset (or a fireworks show if it's available). Don't drop acid or eat shrooms on a full stomach, or do any other drugs during your trip, at least on your first time. Pot and LSD don't mix very well, but it adds an interesting twist to a mushroom trip, and can take the nausea away if you get it. Oh, and at least once, go into the bathroom and stare at yourself in the mirror

That's all. Remember, I speak from experience. If you're going to reply to this, please make it worth your time and mine.

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Tips for your good experience include having a sober friend around. Make sure it's a good friend who won't play games with you while you're tripping, and won't mind it if you say weird things. They also must be ready to stop you from doing anything that might hurt yourself, so don't pick a friend who's likely to freak out at your actions instead of calmly controlling the situation. Try to find someone who's tripped before, that will be way better than someone who's asking you 'whats it like?' every 30 seconds--trust me you will want to rip that person's head off. Don't try to be around too many people for your first trip. I would recommend taking whatever you take in your room with some music ready to go, and then waiting for the onset so you get a feel for what it's going to be like. It's best to time the plateau of your trip with something nice like a sunrise or sunset (or a fireworks show if it's available). Don't drop acid or eat shrooms on a full stomach, or do any other drugs during your trip, at least on your first time. Pot and LSD don't mix very well, but it adds an interesting twist to a mushroom trip, and can take the nausea away if you get it. Oh, and at least once, go into the bathroom and stare at yourself in the mirror

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These are some of things I'm talking about. I just want people to aware that there ARE risks. Very real risks. Normally you have on the one hand the people saying the first time you do drugs you'll die. And on the other you have the people that say it's harmless. I fall very much in the middle.

I think that most of the time drugs can be fun and seem harmless enough... But, you just never know what's going to happen. And it's hard to find a sober friend to put up with you, which is why I've done some of the things I've done. Like getting fucked up on a stationary train in DFW, train started moving (I don't remember this). My friends jumped off, I didn't. Then waking up in a Greyhound station (yes, I know that's a bus station) in El Paso Texas, and having to call my mom to come pick me up... Who knows.

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It's not that I don't recommend drugs to people. Well, I don't... But not in the way it sounds as if you are implying.

Drugs are fun. Why would people take them if they weren't? And I don't many people who experiement with drugs once or twice and then say "Nope, won't do that again."

Experimenting normally turns into a some what regular habit. By that I don't mean getting high 4 times a day. Once a week is still a habit.

Now... For flashbacks. You'll know when you have your first one. I don't know about the myths of whether it stays in your system or not. But having a Flashback can be as intense as an Acid Peak, to as weak as the come down period where you are totally "aware" but are still hallucinating.

Examples would be: After running several miles in the sun while in the marine corps, when I got back and was bent over huffing and puffing, I could see the ground moving in that liquid, maggots crawling, type of way. This is a flash back. This normally happens during a phsyical exursion flashback.

During an emotionally induced flashback, it's much more like your peak. Some noises completely tune out, while others consume you. Sometimes it's music consuming you while you can't hear people. Or sometimes it's traffic noises consuming you. Or even sometimes your THOUGHTS just consume you and you don't hear anything around you. You get normal visuals as if you were peaking.

Most of the times flashbacks are just a nuisance. But twice I've flashbacks really fucked with me. Once was during a job interview. The other was I was stopped at a stop light.

The job interview once I started to flashback, I tuned out the interviewer, once he noticed and got my attension I become aware of the situation and then became paranoid. I completely blew that interview.

At the traffic light I just became consumed by the music in my car and my thoughts and never noticed the light changed. I sat at the light on a 3 lane road for about 15 minutes with people honking and going around me. I'm guestimating on time, but it was someone beating on my window that brought me back to reality.

I've probably done more acid than anyone I know, so I'm sure results my vary. I also have VERY pronounced PERMANENT tracers. They don't bother me, and at time can be a form of amusement. My Perma tracers are 3 deep. During my biggest trip my tracers where long enough to write "Jim is fucking high" in cursive in the air with my cigarette in the dark and watch the letters erase themselves.

If anyone has any REAL questions about acid, I'd be glad to answer questions.

Answer number one: Never give acid to chicks.

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I also agree on the point that the whole War on Drugs thing is really pulling the wool over the eyes on the average person. Responsible drug use IS possible and just because person A has tried something or wants to experiment with a few things doesn't make them an idiot. As much as I realize how stupid this may look to those of you who do have the WoD viewpoint, I can honestly say that I am a better person having done ecstasy. I'm more open to other people around me, more social, relaxed and generally just a happier guy in general. That was after taking it *once.* Don't dismiss shit on the grounds that it is "bad" when you know jack about it. Go read a little. Jiggy mentioned < www.erowid.org, > that's a good place to start.

First of all, I think Snark should be given the opportunity to explain just why he wants to try all this stuff. Is it cause he 'heard it was cool' from some website, or does he actually have a reason?

The control i was referring to was your 'addiction.' I realize that you lose control while on psychadelics, that's part of the experience. However, when you say that every morning you woke up and had ten hits, well...you weren't under the influence of anything then, were you?

I also realize that reading about something can only tell you so much, but you have to acknowledge the fact that it is a thousand times better than jumping into the lake with a blindfold on, and can also help a considerable amount in an emergency or if something happens you might not otherwise expect.

I have not done acid. I've tried X and weed. I thought weed was boring. I loved ecstasy. But you know what? I've only taken it twice, and the first was three months ago. It doesn't have to spiral out of control.

As for calling people idiots, if that's not what you meant, then I apologize. When I wrote my message you hadn't yet posted the one right before mine and so my writing was not with the benefit of those comments you made.

And I figured you would misunderstand that point, argh. Are you trying to tell me that being a social retard who practically worries himself an ulcer over what ultimately means extremely little is better than a more relaxed outlook on life? I'm not saying "Drugs are great! I'm cool now!" i'm saying that my experimentation has opened my eyes from previously holding a WoD viewpoint. It's taught me that you shouldn't take anything too seriously or you will become so stressed out that life practically isn't worth living. I stand by my statement and I hope that this clarifies it for you.

You can't get addicted to LSD. It's one of the best things about the drug. You also can't over dose on it. LSD tolerance is built fast. REAL FAST. So fast that 10 hits in the morning really had no effect on me other than it made my day at school a little more tolerable. Yes, I still went to school everyday, unlike some of my friends who "were just to tired."

I agree that weed is boring. Most people who have tried drugs other than weed quickly realize how much more fun the other ones are and drop, or reduce their weed smoking. A small percentage react the exact opposite. And X is bad, bad, news my friend. Listen to me, or don't. I really don't care. Most X has some form of cocaine in it, and becomes addicting raher quickly. My friend Paul is gonig through withdrawl and depression right now. He said that the X scene just dried up completely around DFW about 2 months ago and he's been completely different the last few weeks. He does X about every other week. It doesn't have to spiral out of control, but it often does.

Apology acepted.

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And I figured you would misunderstand that point, argh. Are you trying to tell me that being a social retard who practically worries himself an ulcer over what ultimately means extremely little is better than a more relaxed outlook on life? I'm not saying "Drugs are great! I'm cool now!" i'm saying that my experimentation has opened my eyes from previously holding a WoD viewpoint. It's taught me that you shouldn't take anything too seriously or you will become so stressed out that life practically isn't worth living. I stand by my statement and I hope that this clarifies it for you.

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Saying that drugs made me a better person is just as bad as people saying drugs make you a worse person. Niether are true.

Choosing not to do drugs doesn't make you a social retard, or a WoD advocate. I'm not sure how drugs taught you to not take anything to seriously. But, if you say so.

My stance is very simple. People who don't do drugs should admit the fun, "good", part about them. And the people that do do drugs need to know the "bad", dangerous part about them. And for those on the fence, you need to learn both, right off the bat and realize the potential fun, and the potential dangers. Just like skydiving. VERY FUN. VERY DANGEROUS. Only difference. Drugs are illegal. Which is the number one reason I quit. I don't want to risk loosing my job, or going to jail over something as trivial as drug use.

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Hey DKB, flashbacks just don't happen. It's pretty arrogant of you to dismiss a drug you've never tried. That goes for anyone If you haven't tried it, [b]shut up, because you don't know what you're talking about.[/B]

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hey i heard shooting yourself in the foot is a real blast but seeing as i havent tried it that must mean i'm wrong when i say that shooting yourself in the foot is bad! why the fuck should i try acid just to justify the fact that its bad. If i did try it and still say its bad then you'd probably say something equally as dumb like oh "the acid must have messed your brain up for you to say that"

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I'm probably going to try that this summer...any tips on making sure it's a good experience? I've found I like ecstasy a lot. In fact, I skipped drinking and weed and any other build-up steps and went right to E...heh.

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i did shrooms in the recent coupla months, and beforehand i prepared by going to < www.shroomery.org > and reading the psychadelic FAQ. (its underneath "trip tips" along the sidebar) it probably gives you most of the info that you need.

my shroom experience was good and bad. i did it inadvertantly in an unfamiliar place. we made almost every preparation we could think of, because the guy i was doing it with had done it a lot before, and we didnt want anything bad. he didnt know i hadnt been to the trail where we had planned it, and stupid me forgot to mention it. i borderlined a bad trip, but i camedown soon afterwards, and realized how many good ways this effected me. if you really want to see my full story you can go to "trip reports" in shroomery, and then go to "level three trips" and it should be on page two. its titled "we've passed the sun." its a rather intresting look into my experience.

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does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here

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Enjoy.

"And More" was added because Windows 2000 was informing me that it was going to shut down in 10 seconds since lsass.exe crashed (some kind of BS vital system process).

Salvia Divinorum would have taken its place.

My reason for drug use depends on the drug. Weed is good to relax and have some fun/forget about your troubles.

I never drink, and if I ever do, it's not to get drunk.

As for the more hallucinogenic compounds, I'm interested in experiencing different facets of reality. I have no plans to drop acid and start walking around saying "dude, the colors look all burned", and when I'm stoned, I don't say "dude, you're a green-screen person!"

Depending on how you treat a hallucinogen, it treats you. If you approach it with the intent to see silly things, that's probably all you're going to get out of it. But if you come into it wanting some inner truth - you may get it.

Enlightenment? Coming down from DMT, Simon Posford wrote that he once remained silent, not talking. "Who needs words? They can't describe anything."

I also research everything I take before I take it - and that includes reading experiences of other people, good and bad.

I think anyone that swallows drugs just to look cool, or for that matter takes any heavier drug for a good time is not giving them the proper respect, though I certainly respect their right to do so.

First of all, I am a lightweight when comes to ANY drugs. I drink a cup of coffee and I'm FLYING!!! I really should be driving after I've had caffeen... it's not at all safe.

Point being, anything I try is like 5X the experience that anyone else will get from it.

I've only tried 2 drugs: alcohol and weed.

Effects of weed: forgot to watch most of the Win Ben Steins Marathon, cleaned the entire bathroom, rambled about ninja's on ICQ, and when to sleep early

Effects of alcohol (2 beers): Broke a vase, bruised my ancle, lost some money, threw a chair off a balcony

Draw your own conclustions...

And I have a genetic predisposition to addiction. So I've been extra careful and it's worked out. I set goals and limits. Personally (since the peep incident) I've made a resolution to not smoke ANY week until I finsh my album. There is sits in my drawer 3 feet away, and I haven't touched it for MONTHS! That's my reward... my celebration for a job well done!

What's so wrong with THAT!? The only person I'm hurting is myself, and I'm fully aware of the consquences of my actions.

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time I spent a good two hours reading articles on what to expect in terms of how it would feel, how long it would last, the possibility of physical/mental damage...

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But because you were taking 20 hits a day, does that mean everyone who tries it is going to?

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Flashbacks

Flashbacks are one of the most dangerous side effects of LSD use. They are recurrences of images or effects that were experienced during a previous LSD administration and they can vary in frequency and duration. Flashbacks can occur spontaneously or they can be spurred by the use of other drugs (particularly marijuana or hashish), emotional stress, fatigue, or movement from a light to a dark environment. These flashbacks can last from a few seconds to several hours. Ironically, some experienced LSD users do not consider flashbacks to be an adverse consequence of LSD use and actually enjoy the renewed perceptions or images as a “free trip.”

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< Here > is some real good info on LSD. I know it's from the DEA, but read it anyway. It's not negative towards the drug at all.

SLATE: A tracer also called trail can be defined as a LSD-induced perception that moving objects leave multiple images or trails behind them.

For instance. Moving my hand in front of my face, I see 2-3 hands following my real hand!

During a peak, when I'm in the dark. The tracers are so pronounced on the tip of my cigarette, I can actually draw with light in the air. Very, very cool.

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Effects of weed: forgot to watch most of the Win Ben Steins Marathon, cleaned the entire bathroom, rambled about ninja's on ICQ, and when to sleep early

Effects of alcohol (2 beers): Broke a vase, bruised my ancle, lost some money, threw a chair off a balcony

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Shit, thats my whole weekend sober.

ps. f00k1ng n1nj45. 1 0wn j00.

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:

I've made a resolution to not smoke ANY week until I finsh my album. There is sits in my drawer 3 feet away, and I haven't touched it for MONTHS! That's my reward... my celebration for a job well done!

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thats respectable, everyone should learn from that (even me).

drugs are good and bad, use it like pg and they can be good, like jim and they can be really bad (sorry jim but i wouldn't want to hang around you when you are like that)

personally, i will NEVER EVER stick a needle in my arm/leg/where ever, so i'm not worried about herion (although you can smoke it, or snort it, and for you x users you are combinin it with coke and meth to get that great feeling, unless you have pure mdma which i highly doubt) i like acid, i've had my bad trips and my good ones, it is really all in the mind. when i started to whig out (trust me it will happen at some point) i find it best to go in the bathroom and smoke a cig away from everyone and repeat in my head "It's just acid, relax and trip your balls off, this is fun." and in the fact that i know if i freak i will lose all self respect/worth that i have for myself. it works for me.

flashbacks are fun. i had a theory on what causes them but i'm can't recall it at this time (boss from fl is in and all that good ol work shit)

back to work, more on this tomarrow

p.s. drugs are bad mmmkay
p.s.s. drugs are good mmmkay

peeps, if you are afraid of acid, that's understandable. it's a very powerful and weird drug.

mr. frosty, once you take LSD you will not see the way you used too. LSD throws the doors of perception wide open, and for six to eight hours you basically swim in your memory, your imagination, and your senses. that experience changes a person in ways that are very hard to explain.

it can also be really, really fun. and the change is usually a good one.

tips : most important, make sure to do it in a VERY SAFE PLACE your first time. acid can unleash emotions you thought had gone away. if you're in a comfortable place where you don't have to worry about cops, then that's not a problem. you can curl up on a bed and get warm and drink water, and you'll calm down pretty quickly.

second, acid will make you VERY confused. Logical thinking will take a long time, so do NOT try anything remotely complicated - even walking down to store is a thousand page epic on LSD.

third, like all true hallucinogens, LSD is synaesthetic. This means your perceptions cross over. The anti-drug literature usually mentions "seeing sounds" or something like that as an example. But it also means that general discomfort can appear to be something else - usually a profound feeling of fear, foreboding, or paranoia.

If you find yourself freaking out, check for the obvious first - are you too cold? too hot? do you have to take a leak? etc. Make sure all of that is taken care of before you get all introspective and try to "analyze" your fear.

fourth, lsd WILL make you anxious at times during your trip. during these moments, be sure to get some excercise - take a walk or something.

fifth, make sure to have some valium, Benadryl, or trazodone available so you'll fall asleep easier. oh yeah, and make sure you don't have to do anything the next day

I am totally unexperienced concerning drugs, and not really sure whether I want to make those experiences myself... however, I accept it if people take them and I do not support WoD etc (I am against the whole criminality like prostitution etc. linked to the drugs, not against the drugs themselves).

I'd really like to know more about what a trip is like, it's kinda hard to figure out just reading about it. But I really can't go and try myself...

In my experience, chicks wig out on acid. Some don't, but most do. EVERY chick I've seen do acid for the first time has wigged out. That, and they really get on your nerves when your trippin.

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not many cars to nick here so instead they hijack pedestrians
and run them around at terrifying leg speeds
its called git surfing
all too often the git is one of their own mothers
the latest trick? catapult them into a shop

really they don't care unless it's fucking up your performance on the job or you're doing the drugs at work.

as far as drugs though, they're not my choice. there's no drug in the world, medical, illegal or otherwise that's without side-effects and risks. when it comes to altering my brain chemistry, i'm not willing to take those risks. i'd rather skydive.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

I mean, I am a regtular drug user, and this does not imply a habit, regular to me is maybe 5 or 6 times a month, but I have always managed to do it without anybody noticing, hell, nobody knows I do it except the guy I buy the stuff off !!!!

As long as you know what you are doing then you should have no problems, just don't take drugs for breakfast !!!!!

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Originally posted by cr0bar:
X (Ecstasy, MDMA) is not cut with heroin. It's not cost-effective. According to Erowid (which I trust very much), there has been PMA sold as MDMA, but never heroin. It's just too expensive, it wouldn't save the dealer any money. It is sometimes cut with meth (speed) though.

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thats the part i don't get. i know it wouldn't be cost effective, except around here it is ษ-ฮ per roll, needless to say i still haven't bought any (for that i could get a 1/4 bag of green) but i don't think you can get mdma around here, and acording to the market ppl (read: dealers) it is herion, coke, and meth. get one with black spots (chocloate chip) it has more herion in it, blah blah blah, i've only done it once and i would rather fire up a bowl any day.

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Originally posted by pengu1nn:

thats the part i don't get. i know it wouldn't be cost effective, except around here it is ษ-ฮ per roll, needless to say i still haven't bought any (for that i could get a 1/4 bag of green) but i don't think you can get mdma around here, and acording to the market ppl (read: dealers) it is herion, coke, and meth. get one with black spots (chocloate chip) it has more herion in it, blah blah blah, i've only done it once and i would rather fire up a bowl any day.

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The dealers don't know what they're selling. Ask them if they made the pills. Probably not. There are many pill testing labs that have tested hundreds of thousands of pills and never once have they found heroin in one. Sure, I guess it's possible that maybe sometime, somewhere, someone sold heroin as MDMA, but I'd never worry about getting one with heroin, I'd be more worried about speed/PMA or LSD in it.

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Originally posted by syf0n:
let's just say employers don't like potheads.

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someone needs to get their head out of their fucking ass for a little while and realize that a large chunk of the united states residents use WEED on a regular basis. i have known many people who use it, who are close to me, and it has never affected their job. a lot of people who have been in the real world realize this as well. i think you let the schools brainwash you with all of their "drugs are bad" propaganda, and then you dont know the FACTS, because you are grinded by the bad effects. i really dont like it when people are misinformed on the aspects of weed, or anything. people(like syf0n), really piss me off with their superficiality.

This message has been edited by melk0r on June 06, 2001 at 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by syf0n:
the people that pull this country economically, you know, the business people (that I was referring to) don't smoke pot.

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you are dead wrong, syf0n. You'd be AMAZED at the # of business people that smoke. I personally know a VP of IBM that gets high every day after work... I know many other assorted businessmen and women that do the same. That's not to mention the # of corpers who ask if I could get them some, and the people I see at my dealer's house. These people are every bit as driven and hard working as you are. Maybe more so.

Marijuana is a way for them to relax, and it doesn't take too much research to figure out that weed is a lot less destructive than alcohol. You can get really high every night and still live a long, healthy, happy, productive life. You'll wake up in the morning and be fine.

An interesting fact is that marijuana users tend to have lower absentee rates than the average. If you compare them to people who don't do ANY drugs, you'll find that the two groups are about the same in terms of absentee rates and productivity - i.e. they're usually among the better workers.

My personal theory to explain this is that stoners just aren't as stressed out as people who use alcohol to relieve stress. Marijuana puts you into a contemplative, playful frame of mind that is very different from alcohol.

Let's say you've had a rough day that culminated in a fight with your boss. If you go home and drink a glass of wine, you'll relax and forget about it - until the next day when you see your boss again.

If you smoke a joint, you'll think about your day. You won't take things so personally, though. You'll probably conclude that the fight you had with your boss came about because you were both under a lot of pressure, and you'll realize that people say nasty things when they're stressed out and upset. When you see your boss the next day, you'll probably sympathize with the poor devil.

I'm rambling, but I hope I've made a good point.

As for X, just remember that it IS neurotoxic and that there are plenty of other, less toxic drugs that will make you feel just as good if not better - shrooms and acid, for example...

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Originally posted by syf0n:
he thinks it is a large portion because he lives in a small trailer trash town on the outskirts of tiajuana, and doesn't know that his community doesn't represent the majority of the U.S. Get a life melk0r, in the real world no one smokes pot like your friends do...at least, the people that pull this country economically, you know, the business people (that I was referring to) don't smoke pot.

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actually i've lived more places than my daddy's bank account, and i've probably experienced more than you could in three life times. you didnt STIPULATE that you were referring to business men, you just kinda threw "people" out there and made us pick and fucking choose what you were meaning. you think that i can make an educated decision? open your fucking eyes. one of my close friends went into ACT fucking stoned off his ass and got a 33. but remember, "drugs are bad."

you probably dont realize that people actually do coke regularly too. in fact, coke is on the major rise, and in MY small hick town there are fucking ninth graders getting busted for it.(how's that for hick) i personally dont condone coke, i think its a disgusting drug, but my opinions arent valid, because i havent experimented with it yet. just like YOU and your opinions. you're right, in the real world (say a city in california) they experiment at a MUCH younger age. i used to live in one.

and arent you the one who came from a farm in pennsyl-fucking-vania? yet you still dont know the first thing about real life outside of your fucking porcshe, little fucking prestos and that fucking watch. you are an ignorant materialistic bitch.

This message has been edited by melk0r on June 06, 2001 at 07:05 PM

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An interesting fact is that marijuana users tend to have lower absentee rates than the average. If you compare them to people who don't do ANY drugs, you'll find that the two groups are about the same in terms of absentee rates and productivity - i.e. they're usually among the better workers.

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Most people can't afford to loose their job just to "relax". I guess if you just quit your job, you'd have plenty of time to relax.

In high school and through college nobody really gives a fuck if you do drugs. Hell, most people expect you to these days. My fiances sister just lost his job at a car dealership for popping on a piss test. He was the number one salesman on the lot. But, because he got/gets high, I had to pay his 轜 rent, ๕ phone bill, and 财 electric bill this month.

I've already stated that drugs are fun. I'm not anti-drugs in itself. But for most people it's not worth the risk. If it were to ever become legal, then it'd be a different story.

Also, every person I've ever met who smokes pot on a regular basis is a fucking slob!!! Hell, I was too back when I smoked up. I'm pretty sure that figures into the laziness factor somewhere.

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jim
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder
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But as it stands now, it's not worth the financial risk of loosing my job.

And saying a LARGE portion of US citizens smoke pot is wrong. Large portion would indicate more than 50\%. I don't have proof, but I'd be willing to bet it's much less. Now maybe, just MAYBE you could get away with saying a Large portion of US Males between the ages of 18-25 have smoked pot at least once. That may be true.

Also note that just because you have friends whose drug use never effected thier job doesn't mean anything. I have know people whoose drug use HAS effected their job.

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jim
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder
< Brews and Cues >

It's not the end of the world, and it takes heavy use. But, there are definitely lasting effects on the brain.

That said, I still enjoy weed on occasion, but I keep it pretty under control.

the wod is a load of shit. ppl are hating drugs until they do them, then they hate the government for lying to them, and then dying cause the govenment didn't properly inform them. its a big bunch of shit. i say teach about drugs themselves not about how they are all bad and you will never amount to anything if you use them. using fear isn't a good choice, look at religion. namely christiaity, they use fear to try to force you to do as the bible says. but what if you don't believe in the bible, but you believe there is a god? then your siding with the devil and will goto hell????? fuck that!

america is about the right to choose. if you choose to do drugs, then you must choose how you do them. if the wod was changes to iod (information on drugs, hopfull they could come up with a better name than that ) then if/when you chose to do drugs you would know "I can't shoot more than 20cc's of herion in 24 hours or I will die". i'm not nessicarliy saying Leaglize every drug and don't control or restrict it. proper education is way better than fear and i am rambling so i'll stop here

and its true about being able to tell potheads by their laugh one of my flatmates used to be in the paras o he's generally ficked in the head and has tried pretty much everything and you can tell so easily how he smokes pot so often also the fact that he left his bong in our kitchen once kinda gives it away. also another flatmate of mine just walks around out of his head even when hes not been smoking. oh did i forget to mention that its now suspected that pot has a higher risk of lung cancer than nicotine smoking?

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not many cars to nick here so instead they hijack pedestrians
and run them around at terrifying leg speeds
its called git surfing
all too often the git is one of their own mothers
the latest trick? catapult them into a shop

< just say no >

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not many cars to nick here so instead they hijack pedestrians
and run them around at terrifying leg speeds
its called git surfing
all too often the git is one of their own mothers
the latest trick? catapult them into a shop

Anyway, the point is, I gobbled the whole bag of jerky (4oz.) right there in the car. And since it was spicy my nose was running and I was swigging off the gateraid... but the POINT is that in some weird way I was DOING JERKY! I was getting waisted on jerky! But... THE POINT IS... some people get their release from skydiving and rollercoasters; some from boozing; some from sex; some from drugs; and some from BEEF JERKY! AND THE POINT that I'm trying to make is... why are some fixes illegal and others aren't?

If I had it my way I'd eat beef jerky every meal every day! But that's not good for me and I therfore USE it resposibly only every once in a while. Should we outlaw beef jerky too just cause there's some idiot out there who eats it every day? Should eating any jerky be automatically EVIL just because it's dangerous in large quantities?

EDIT: While I was making a general point, I was trying to impress the ravings of a jerky-crazed mad-man. Unfortunately the humor just wasn't there... THE POINT IS I was just screwing around, so, YES, don't take this post very seriously.

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jim
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder
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I'm able to use responsibly. The worst that happens to me is that I get incredible cravings for that grilled something at Taco Bell (and that's how I ordered it... along with that Zesty thing, which I never got). But, I may be a rarity. And because I can handle it, doesn't mean it's good for it to be opened up to everybody.

That's why I don't believe in the legalization of drugs. There should still be a consequence structure there to keep people more subtle about it. Also, it can serve to help prosecute when people do really dumb things. However, I believe in a decriminilization of drugs. Smoking pot in your apartment is not equivalent to aggrevated assault, and should not be disproportionally dealt with as it is. And, at no time should anybody feel scared to get help for their addictions.

There's a big difference between legalizing drugs and making it no longer a felony to have weed in a car.

here's another fact that I read somewhere and didn't save it : drug testing of white collar workers has been in decline for several years now. Businesses are figuring out that it's at least worthless, and in many cases it has a negative effect on a business because 1. it lowers morale, and 2. you wind up firing good employees. Companies aren't making a big deal about it - who wants to be seen as "soft on drugs"? - they're just silently dropping their programs.

My job, for example, didn't require a pre-employment test, nor does it require random drug testing. The only time they'll do it is if someone is obviously fucked up on the job - and even if you fail, they'll stick you in drug treatment before they'll fire you.

The notable exceptions, unfortunately, are retail jobs. This allows businesses to advertise that "WE TEST ALL EMPLOYEES FOR ILLEGAL DRUG USE" thinking that somehow this will make people feel good about shopping at a store.

cr0bar, I would like to commend you on your comments about the working class. One look at your old school is enough to tell me you're from the upper class, just like me - though my parents continue to insist that they're "middle class," which apparently includes people who own a house that's worth close to ũmillion and two Mercedes and vacation in France at least twice a year...

heh - in general working class people are a hell of a lot more fun as well as MUCH better friends than the upper class. I think it's because they do REAL WORK instead of whatever it is the overclass does.

I do agree that some white collar positions are becoming more lax with their drug testing policies.

Let's put it this way. There are many, many, many, more acredited studies that I could post showing the ill effects of drug use. Many more than you can post showing the contrary. You are fighting a war that can't be won. That is why drugs will never be legal in the US.

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jim
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder
< Brews and Cues >

I think the reason why it's been allowed to continue as long as it has is because a lot of people think, "well, anyone who uses drugs should be locked up and the key thrown away." Ok, maybe that's a slight exaggeration. But I believe that many of those people would change their tune if they had their house raided or their car stopped and ripped apart in a search just because someone made an "anonymous tip."

I also agree with Askheaves about the decriminalization of drugs. I like Dennis Miller's take on the prison system where he says something along the lines of,

"And I don't think pot users should be thrown together with hardcore offenders. They should be given their own little pothead wing where they can congregate together and watch cartoons or play hacky-sack without affecting the rest of society."

I also wonder how many of the violent encounters between drug lords are really about the drugs themselves. It would seem to me that they are really about the money involved in the trading. True, your lower-level (in the hierarchy of the drug trade) people may be committing violent crimes just to support their habit or whatever, but that's a different issue.

I think I've said enough for now. I'll just go back to my watching chair and see how this develops.

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