Forum: The Classroom
Topic: Dragon Ball Z Catch-up
started by: PersonGuy

Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 04 2000,02:45
Hey, when I was gone for 2 weeks I didn't have Cartoon network, and my stupid VCR is a moron and didn't record the right show...

Anywaze, I missed all the episodes between

A) Picolo starts fighting the android with black hair

B) Krilin crushes the remote cause he likes the android with the blond hair

Anyway, what happened with Cell? He was less of a dork when I came back. What happened to the black hair android? What happened with Vegeta and Trunks when they traded places with Goku and Gohan? Did it ever show them training?

Also, if you've got the time, I missed most of the bigging of this season. I started watching the eppisode where Vageta punches the blone android in the face and then gets waisted.

What was with Dr. Jero? Freeza and his dad? And when did bulma get knocked up????? Did it show any of that!!!

Thanks

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Posted by Bozeman on Nov. 04 2000,11:30
Piccolo is stronger than 17 (black hair), but then Cell arrives, and after severely beating Piccolo, and getting beaten by 16 (the big guy), he absorbs 17. He is now super strong, and beats up 16, breaking open his skull so you can see his robot brain. Tien distracts Cell while the andriods escape, but becomes tired from overexertion and faints. Goku teleports in and saves both of them.

Meanwhile, Trunks and Gohan fly to the ruins of Dr. Gero's lab, find the plans for 17 & 18, and destroy the infant Cell. Bulma creates the remote control, and gives it to Krillin.

Goku, undaunted by the fact that Cell is almost unbeatable, brings together Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan and himself at Kame's tower. Vegeta and Trunks go into a time chamber, which lets them get 1 year of training in 1 day. Vegeta and Trunks emerge as Super Sayians layer 2, and go off to fight Cell while Goku and Gohan train.

Vegeta is up first and promply makes Cell his bitch. Cell then whines that he WOULD be stronger, if he absorbed 18. (the girl) Vegeta lets him go, so that Cell will be a challenge. After another solar flare attack, Cell absorbs 18. This time Vegeta gets whomped on, and it is revealed that Trunks is stronger, but wants to hide it so Vegeta won't hate him.

In the time chamber, Goku and Gohan are training, and Gohan becomes a Super Sayian.

I think I got it all, but there were a few cutscenes with Yajiriobi and Bulma that I left out.


Posted by spinfusi0n on Nov. 04 2000,13:57
Actually, its not "Super Saiyan Layer 2" its Ultimate Super Saiya-jin. The first Z Fighter to reach "level" 2 is Gohan during the cell game. The highest Vegeta and Trunks reach up to this point is Ultimate Super Saiyan, which is better than level l but has downsides in the form of being quite slow compared to Level 1 and 2 upwards.
Posted by Wh4ck3r on Nov. 04 2000,15:24
oh yeah and cell shot picalo, every one though he was dead until oku dragged him and tien back to kames fortress
Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 04 2000,19:53
OH! That explains it! Thanks!

Oh, but what about Bulma wanting a date with Yajarobe for the remote? Was that just a joke?

And what about the begining of the season? I still don't know how Goku got back to earth or what was up with that fat white guy with the hat (seen in comertials). And when did Vageta first become a super sayen? Missed that to...

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Posted by spinfusi0n on Nov. 04 2000,23:37
About bulma wanting a date, i don't think that happened. Goku got back to earth right after trunks slices the hell out of Vegeta and King Cold (his father). Goku explains that as soon as Namek started to break up he raced for a spaceship. He found Frieza's ship and tried to use that to leave Namek but it wouldnt start. Then in the window he saw one of the smaller saiyan spaceships. He raced for and had to no time to plot a course since both ships were falling into lava so he just turned it on. He passed out and awoke on a distant planet with some weird alien dudes. They helped him recover and fixed his spaceship. Then went home. About the fat guy, he is one of the two androids Dr. Gero created. He is android 19. The old guy with the long hair is android 20 who actually has Dr. Gero's brain in it. The human gero created 19 who then created 20 and put Gero's brain in it. Vegeta turned super saiyan on some other planet where he went after all the namekians were on earth. He got angry that Goku was still alive so he took the spaceship that was originally made to take Chi-Chi and the gang to namek to get gohan back. He travelled planet to planet training and then on one planet there was a huge storm and meteors were gonna smash into this other planet and destroy his ship. So he was breaking them all up and then he decided he just didnt care anymore and got taken over by a fit of anger. Then suddenly you see the patented Super Saiyan glow and his hair turns Yellow. BTW the other Z Fighters first see him when 19 is kicking the shit outta Goku after the heart virus sets in. Piccolo is about to attack 20 and he gets shot. When he recovers he says that something interupted him from his punch and it was vegeta who kicks android 19 in the face and shoots him 20 yards away when he's draining Goku's energy. He turns super saiyan and kicks the crap out of 19, then 20 gets away activates 17 and 18. 18 kills 20/Gero and activates 16. Shit happens and Trunks and Gohan find the spaceship from another timeline with Cell's egg in it. Then something starts to drain cities, which is when piccolo becomes a super namek-jin by absorbing Kame. Hope thats enough
Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 05 2000,00:53
Everything except for Vegita and Bulma "makin' babies"! I still don't know when that happened or why. It isn't like she even liked him on Namik or anything...

Oh and how Freeza get to earth? He was WAY dead!

But thanks, that does explain alot...

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Posted by spinfusi0n on Nov. 05 2000,13:54
Vegita and Bulma have Trunks because when Vegita is training exhaustively to become Super Saiyan, Bulma gets attracted to his determinations and refusal to quit (training in 400 times earth's gravity even when he is sick and has numerous muscle and bone injuries).

As for Freeza, if you remember Goku gives him some of his own energy right before Namek blows up, so despite the fact that is exploded he survived in the many small pieces that he was. King Cold, who is Freeza's dad, comes in with his spaceship and rescues the half-Freeza thats floating around. Their crack team of Alien engineers rebuild Freeza using robotic parts to make Cybord Freeza who is stronger than normal Freeza.

This however doesn't matter very much since Trunks comes in and deflects all Cyborg Freeza's energy attacks including his Planet Killer attack which is that huge ball thing that he shoots at the planet to destroy it. It seems it gets Trunks when suddenly instead of drilling downwards into the earth, it starts to float up. You eventually see that Trunks has stopped it with is bare hand and is walking up the crater that it created. After it explodes and Trunks survives, he shoots an energy attack at Freeza that misses, however, Trunks is right above Freeza when he jumps to avoid it. Now you see Freeza in two pieces, and in a matter of seconds all you see left is many guts and slices of Freeza floating in the air. Trunks dispenses of an energy attack and destroys the pieces. Then he kills King Cold, which is when the Andriod Saga begins.

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Posted by Wh4ck3r on Nov. 08 2000,12:50
hmm simple question, i havent missed a dbz episode in about 6 weeks. whats your record?

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Posted by Lordbrandon on Nov. 08 2000,18:07
Endless waltz looks dope. i have my vcr recording tonami monday thru friday so i can watch what ever i miss. i was renting blue sub 6 with my friend but now i can just wait for it to come on, rad.
Posted by spinfusi0n on Nov. 08 2000,19:33
Endless Waltz will kick the asses of many. Why do you ask? Heres my answer. Alto-Long Gundam "Nakatu" (the new updated Shenlong/Altron) Gundam Heavyarms Kai (the new heavy arms) Gundam Sandrock Kai (the new sandrock) and last but definetely not least, one of my favorite gundam of all time, Tallgeese Mark III(super kick ass new Tallgeese). And yes undoubtedly, Blue Sub 6 rocks.

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Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 09 2000,04:42
I saw the whole second season without missing an eppisode (it was actually 2 seasons long FYI).

I would have seen the begining of this one, but I didn't know they was starting up the new episodes.

Is that Submairne thing any good? I always forget to watch it...

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Posted by spinfusi0n on Nov. 09 2000,05:05
not sure exactly how long, but I know i haven't missed on on Cartoon Network since Bulma starts using the dragon radar to find the dragonballs all over Namek. So i guess that is a while isn't it?

Also im in the process of collecting the entire set on DVD. Just little by little so it'll take me a while.

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Posted by Ozymandias on Nov. 09 2000,23:21
Blue Sub No. 6 was fucking lame. The animation was REALLY GREAT, but the plot and the characters were the lamest, dullest, most generic crap.

It's basically every anime you've seen where the fate of the the world rests on the shoulders of a small group of people who pilot big metal crafts. Except under water.

The spectacular animation still couldn't manage to hold my interest past the first half of Ep. 2...

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Posted by spinfusi0n on Nov. 10 2000,01:04
By that logic we could summarize just about every anime series ever made as lame. i agree that the plot and characters were quite cliched but the animation is what is spectacular, and that the reason I watched it. Combining anime with CG is a very good mix, had the creators of blue sub evened that out a little and spent more time on the actual story, it would have the power of epics like Akira.

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Posted by spinfusi0n on Nov. 10 2000,01:07
BTW, does anyone actually take the last season of DBZ seriously? I mean by after the cell game when Akira Toriyama left and they spawned the Buu series.

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Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 10 2000,02:32
Ozymandias was trying to say that while it's a basic plot for an Animé, cool (or relaitable) characters is what separates the crap from the good stuff.

Anyone see Wings of Honisan (Honisan? Hanisy? Hanseyi? something like that)? That was SO good!!

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Posted by Lordbrandon on Nov. 11 2000,21:42
Wings of the homaenaies? that was so boring i felll astleap like three times with thoes super long scenes when hes at that girls house just standing there?!?! there were some realy cool parts now that i think of it. the battles had some good animation. and that whole getto low budget space force was kinda a cool idea.
Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 12 2000,01:31
Oh come on... that's like saying 2001: A Space Oddessy is boring! That movie is a work of art, and didn't try to be anything more.

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Posted by spinfusi0n on Nov. 12 2000,14:32
Who saw/taped Endless Waltz? Now tell me that wasn't the coolest thing you've ever seen!! Oh man Wing Zero with Angel wings, what a great improvement.

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Posted by Bozeman on Nov. 12 2000,15:21
Endless Waltz was cool, but they changed history slightly to make it. In the movie, all the pilots had the custom style gundams from the very beginning. In the show, they did not get the custom gundams to start off.
Posted by PersonGuy on Jul. 04 2001,00:09
The choices suck... but don't forget to < vote >...

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Posted by darksol on Jul. 04 2001,01:30
i cant believe you can even watch the dubbing, dubbing is such crap ass shit.... damn.......
Posted by PersonGuy on Jul. 04 2001,14:09
You're paying too much attention... look closer and you'll notice that most of the animation is 5 to 10 FPS. SO WHAT. I'd rather have bad dubbing than perfect Japanese vocals with subtitles!
1) I hate reading
2) It's an action cartoon... it's annoying looking at the bottom of the screen
Just get over it.

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Posted by Dysorderia on Jul. 04 2001,22:04
Hey PersonGuy, what software did you use to grab the frames for the FC bastardization?

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Posted by PersonGuy on Jul. 05 2001,02:21
CyberLink Power DVD that came with my crappy E-Machine.

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Posted by veilside on Jul. 05 2001,02:49
damn i wish i had cartoon network. it would be hot if they showed evangelion, i don't think that would ever happen though..
Posted by veilside on Jul. 05 2001,02:51
quote:
Originally posted by PersonGuy:
You're paying too much attention... look closer and you'll notice that most of the animation is 5 to 10 FPS. SO WHAT. I'd rather have bad dubbing than perfect Japanese vocals with subtitles!
1) I hate reading
2) It's an action cartoon... it's annoying looking at the bottom of the screen
Just get over it.


subs are better because they preserve the original language- you have no idea how much these american anime companies screw up translations, it's unbearable...


Posted by PersonGuy on Jul. 05 2001,16:06
Yah, I actually have all the DB, DBZ, and DBGT movies and eppisodes in the subtitles version in RM format spread across 20 CDs (got it on ebay). They basically too out 60 minutes worth of the first series (everything before namek)!

Things you missed:

- First eppisode: Gohan wanders out of the house and gets into all kinds of trouble (reminicant of the first Dragon Ball eppisode with Goku). This is why in the American one he's hanging on a branch for no reason.

- Goku get a big hole blasted in him by Piccalo to kill Raditz. It skips over most of that in the American version.

- Gohan (when he's in the desert) meets an artifically intellegent robot that been trapped in a cave. There's a huge explanation of what Chichi has him study all the time, and a HUGE explanation of his "evolution" for whiny little kid to surviver. The scene in the Amican version where he's crying after his dino pal dies, actually comes right after this robot gets buried and makes a bunch more sence.

- Piccolo kicks Gohan's ass more and screws up his eye.

- Tien's back story. His wife is a theif and robs a bank. He and Chowsu practice by stopping a waterfall. Then when he finds out that Kame is traning everyone, he CLIMBS up that pillar that leads to Kame's look-out. (in the American version he just SHOWS UP and Krilin is like HEY!) Also I remember him visiting his wife (or something).

- Explanation of that pink haired witch with the crystal ball. She comes from the deadside.

- Those 2 guys have HELL written on their shirts instead of HEFL

- One of the snake ladys teaches Goku how to play Russian Rollet and blows her brains out.

- The snake queen sees Goku naked in the hot springs and freaks out.

- Nudity at 2 or 3 parts, esspecially after Gohan turns into a big ape...

But that's just off the top of my head... Since Cartoon Network got it (rather than Fox) they've been doing much better with leaving in violence and stuff, but....

Namek stuff: Goldo gets his head cut off, and then his head still talks to Vegeta. More blood.

Android stuff: They show more of Cell puking-up Android 18.

But anyway, I ACTUALLY started this post cause I wanted to say that some of the cultural jokes are anoying. Like, most of what King Ky says are Japanes puns and make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE when translated litterally. I was going to post some screen shots of that, but RealPlayer is EVIL EVIL EVIL and I can't even use the print screen button to capture it.

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Posted by Pisces Iscariot on Jul. 05 2001,17:04
quote:
Originally posted by veilside:
subs are better because they preserve the original language- you have no idea how much these american anime companies screw up translations, it's unbearable...


not only are you missing out on the language, your missing out on some of the fighting as well.

i when i first got @home cable connection i went download crazy and downloaded dbz episodes a month in advance. these were the suns mind you. after watching them and the ctn episodes a few weeks later, i saw that you miss out on most of the "bloodier" fight sceens as well.

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Posted by Dysorderia on Jul. 05 2001,22:18
PersonGuy

lam0r

Posts:
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Cr0bar?
What's going on here?

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Posted by veilside on Jul. 06 2001,14:46
quote:
Originally posted by PersonGuy:
Yah, I actually have all the DB, DBZ, and DBGT movies and eppisodes in the subtitles version in RM format spread across 20 CDs (got it on ebay).
holy shit. that's a lot of cds. i don't think dbz is that great, i'd rather watch nadesico or something :P
quote:
Originally posted by PersonGuy:
But anyway, I ACTUALLY started this post cause I wanted to say that some of the cultural jokes are anoying. Like, most of what King Ky says are Japanes puns and make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE when translated litterally. I was going to post some screen shots of that, but RealPlayer is EVIL EVIL EVIL and I can't even use the print screen button to capture it.
i think if you watch enough anime, you get used to it... not like you have to be an otaku or anything, it's just part of the culture. heh... but then again, i don't watch dbz so their jokes might be shitty... ;P

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