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Topic: Mac or PC?
started by: Blowgoats

Posted by Blowgoats on Apr. 11 2001,18:59

I've been getting into arguements with people over this, even though this might be over-played, which is the better of the two? Personally, I love the PC. CS!! Yes!

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Posted by DeadAnztac on Apr. 11 2001,20:00

Don't even go there man! I could argue either side with much, MUCH vigilance if I wanted! All I'm gonna say is that they're both good for certain things.

Posted by Observer on Apr. 11 2001,20:00

And so the Holy Wars begin again.

Is this really necessary? This will probably boil down to Mac and PC zealots flaming each other.

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Posted by DeadAnztac on Apr. 11 2001,20:00

BTW are you a big Zappitest?

Posted by Blain on Apr. 11 2001,20:49

quote:
Originally posted by Observer:

Is this really necessary? This will probably boil down to Mac and PC zealots flaming each other.

He’s one of them! GET HIM!

Actually, I totally agree with you, zealots suck regardless of whose side they’re on. I have never even seen a constructive debate over this subject- it usually takes about 3 minutes for it to be reduced to a flamewar.

I will simply say that both have their strengths and both have their weaknesses. I have my reasons for using a PC, other people can use whatever the fuck they want.

Posted by DeadAnztac on Apr. 11 2001,20:50

Damnit that's what I said, does anyone listen to me?

*crys*

Posted by Blain on Apr. 11 2001,21:24

Guh? Who said what now??

Posted by askheaves on Apr. 11 2001,22:56

There are many reasons to like the Mac hardware. It is fast, and they are actually willing to change up their central processor design every 20 years or so. I'm just not a fan of the operating system (MacOS < X). It's crudely constructed underneigth, it's a cooperative multitasking system (last I heard), and you'll have a harder time finding apps.

I'd love to see MacOS X. It might have some potential to open up the market a bit.

Bottom Line, I'm a Microsoft fan regardless. It's not popular, but I program, and it's the path of least resistance. I can see where Mac has potential take over, but it's not likely because they make a lot of dumb mistakes in management. They have the prettiest cases and peripherals, they're innovating faster than the PC, they have special niche markets (which are growing), but they just can't pull it together for some reason.

Posted by Bozeman on Apr. 11 2001,23:49

I only like macs because of ambrosia software. Mac users go here: < www.ambrosia.com > They make some kickass games, but only for mac. Escape Velocity is one of the most addictive games i've played.

But for every other use, I go PC all the way. Mac games take forever to come out.

(edit: link fixed)

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This message has been edited by Bozeman on April 13, 2001 at 04:56 AM

Posted by Sithiee on Apr. 12 2001,03:18

personally, i prefer the pc because its more intuitive for me. i guess the real reason i hate macs is because to get anything done on one i need the hand holding. but i will admit that they are superior for somethings, but i will take a PC almost any day of the year over a mac.

Posted by Dysorderia on Apr. 12 2001,19:05

Mac Strengths:

errors easier to understand for John Q. Public.

more OS stability(i.e. it doesn't crash as much as Windows.)

Hardly any MacOS viruses(I think)

Windows Strengths:

Majority of games built for Windows.

Easier to customize logos and stuff.

More colorful than MacOS.

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This message has been edited by Dysorderia on April 13, 2001 at 02:05 PM

Posted by ASCIIMan on Apr. 12 2001,21:22

I'll have to say that, even though I'm a hardcore PC guy, and cringe at the thought of using Macs (we don't tend to get along, they always end up crashing when I use them... I'm not sure why), Macs definitely KICK ASS for desktop publishing and graphics.

Posted by Hellraiser on Apr. 12 2001,21:36

quote:
Originally posted by Dysorderia:
[b]Mac Strengths:
errors easier to understand for John Q. Public.
more OS stability(i.e. it doesn't crash as much as Windows.)
Hardly any MacOS viruses(I think)
Windows Strengths:
Majority of games built for Windows.
Easier to customize logos and stuff.
More colorful than MacOS.
[/B]

The inverse of that is:

Mac weaknesses: proprietary hardware and operating system means limited versatility when compared to the PC, priced ungodly high.

Mac OS as opposed to choice of various PC operating systems

Mac's cost more than my grandfather's funeral, but I got a PC for the price of a shake at the Mall.

Only one mouse button (What the fuck is up with that?)

PC weaknesses: mostly the result of improper levels of knowledge of the user. In otherwords, PEBKAC: problem exists between keyboard and chair.

If you use linux, you're limited to Nutscrape or worse for a browser.

If you use a non-business version of a Microsith operating system, expect to have to restart on a daily basis, and reformat on a semiannual basis.

That's all I can think of.

Posted by Observer on Apr. 13 2001,00:11

quote:
Originally posted by Dysorderia:
Mac Strengths:
more OS stability(i.e. it doesn't crash as much as Windows.)

Right, it doesn't crash, it just locks up. Like when you try to use Netscape 4.74 under OS 9. I worked in a few of the campus computer labs that had some Macs configured this way. Had to rebuild them (over the network) on a fairly regular basis.

edit: fixed bold tags

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This message has been edited by Observer on April 13, 2001 at 07:16 PM

Posted by blanalex on Apr. 13 2001,02:33

quote:
Originally posted by Dysorderia:
Mac Strengths:
errors easier to understand for John Q. Public.

oh really? can you tell me why is it easier to understand when all the info they give is 'Because the error -110 has occured'? Or event the single error message the program gives (Macintosh Manager, made by apple) is 'An unknown error has occured' ?

Or even when a piece of software decides for no special reason to stop working on a particular model? (eg. AtEase on anything newer than summer-2000 imacs)

quote:

more OS stability(i.e. it doesn't crash as much as Windows.)

this is a bit relative, i find it relatively comparable to win9x

quote:

Hardly any MacOS viruses(I think)

that's true, and i think that most Office macro-virii break under MacOS

btw, this is not a mac rant, but that's what i know from experience... and by experience, i mean managing >120 mac, all networked

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This message has been edited by blanalex on April 13, 2001 at 09:35 PM

Posted by Frosty on Apr. 13 2001,05:07

quote:
Originally posted by askheaves:
They have the prettiest cases and peripherals

I can't believe you said that.

Posted by Blowgoats on Apr. 13 2001,13:51

Now, is it possible to build a Mac, from scratch, for a reasonable price? NO! PC's, yes. Sure, the Mac platform is somewhat easier and "more user-friendly" but how can you beat such classic games such as DOOM, or Duke Nukem 3D? Yeah, I thought so...

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Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Apr. 13 2001,17:18

the worst thing about Macs is their users; the best thing about Macs is their users.

snobbish and boring, but because they know that the tech guy hates macs they learn to fix everything themselves

Posted by masher on Apr. 13 2001,17:29

quote:

Hardly any MacOS viruses(I think)

Isn't one of them a virus that disables the keyboard command to eject the disk?

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Posted by Psychosomatic_plague on Apr. 13 2001,17:46

2 ways to eject the disk on a mac command or paper clip hahahhaaaaaahaaaa A FREAKING PAPER CLIP!wth is with that and hows that work in a black out with no paper clip??? do macs come with "emergency disk ejectors" you know like a paper clip with a handli built on??

hell what do i know i have det.net as my home page.

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Posted by shiznit on Apr. 13 2001,19:02

quote:
Originally posted by Psychosomatic_plague:
2 ways to eject the disk on a mac command or paper clip hahahhaaaaaahaaaa A FREAKING PAPER CLIP!wth is with that and hows that work in a black out with no paper clip??? do macs come with "emergency disk ejectors" you know like a paper clip with a handli built on??

Macs haven't shipped with floppy disks since 1998. I don't think they even have that feature anymore! And it may seem funny to you, but it's actually a clever design. Would you rather go into the case to remove a stuck disk or use the eject button with a paper clip?

quote:
Originally posted by Blowgoats:
how can you beat such classic games such as DOOM, or Duke Nukem 3D?

lol. These games have been available to the Mac platform a loooong time.

This message has been edited by shiznit on April 14, 2001 at 02:04 PM

Posted by shiznit on Apr. 13 2001,19:08

One more thing I want to add is the Macintosh one-button mouse. IT SUCKS. You can get a multi-button mouse for Mac, but the systems ship with this one-button "Pro Mouse" that is optical, but wastes time compared to intellimouse or any other 2 button + scroller.

Posted by DjSokol on Apr. 13 2001,19:46

Macs are good for graphics.
Everything else *SHIT*

PC's better for everything else.

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Posted by Blowgoats on Apr. 16 2001,00:57

All Macs are good for are wiping ass.

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Posted by SLATE on Apr. 16 2001,01:05

quote:
Originally posted by Blowgoats:
All Macs are good for are wiping ass.

first off, let me start by saying that using them for TP would hurt... A LOT!
second, macs are fine pieces of machinery....
I am a PC user myself, but I have respect for them.... They have power and are incredibly good at certain things...
Their OS, in general is a descent OS.. More stable, better handling with resources, more customization..
In fact, many "windows features" were on the mac first and were copied.. or shal i say adopted to windows... (2 words - "recycling bin")

Windows has more products for it, yes. But macs are better at what they are good at, which, in my opinion, is graphics and web shit...

ok, im done now..

Posted by Vigilante on Apr. 16 2001,01:40

Macs certainly are lovely paperweights.

Posted by SLATE on Apr. 16 2001,02:04

quote:
Originally posted by Vigilante:
Macs certainly are lovely paperweights.

have you no respect at all?
I'd think that the detnet folk would be more... accepting i guess is the word... of macs. They are good systems.. Drop the price and give me money! I'd buy 1.. Now, mac enthusiasts, for the most part, do agree that the iMac is gay. But their g4's and g3's are pretty good shits!

Posted by askheaves on Apr. 16 2001,04:30

If I could afford a Mac (and still eat this month), I wouldn't mind getting a good one in the den here. I'd love to have a machine I could dedicate to video editing and graphic design.

However, then I'd need enough money for a camera, and software, and I'd need a reason to do those things... hmm. Come to think of it, I don't think I really need a Mac.

Why did my cable go out?

Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Apr. 16 2001,04:56

Here is the ONE THING I'd love to have a Mac for :

Photoshop.

Sit down with a Photoshop and a G4, work on a nice fat pic and you'll be in love in no time. Macs are ugly, their OS sucks, they lack the marvelous Right Mouse Button, and in general they're slower than PCs... but a 500MHz G4 will completely annhilate a 1.3GHz Athlon when it comes to Photoshop.

Posted by Unexplained on Apr. 16 2001,06:58

quote:
Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
but a 500MHz G4 will completely annhilate a 1.3GHz Athlon when it comes to Photoshop.

It's not fair comparing a 500 MHz G4 with a 1.3 GHz Athlon. The G4 is much more expensive.
Compare a dual P3 1 GHz (SSE speeds up Photoshop a lot) with the 500 MHz G4 and the Mac = sm0k3d

Posted by Sithiee on Apr. 16 2001,08:55

umm...dont you mean smp? and no, price is not how you compare them. thats like saying you cant compare an athlong 1.33 ghz with a p4 1.5 ghz because the p4 is more expensive. the athlon wins in a lot of gaming categories, but you wouldnt compare them because one is more expensive? however, considering amd processors are made more with gaming in mind, and they dont perform as well with other types of apps, it is no wonder that they dont hold up to the competition.

Posted by Vulu on Apr. 16 2001,13:05

Ya well...

I run a PC emulator on my Mac G3 and play Half-Life and Deus Ex...OH! Smokin'...

Posted by Blowgoats on Apr. 16 2001,13:07

Vulu! You FAG!! YOu SUCK! Come over on the PC side...

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Posted by SLATE on Apr. 16 2001,13:08

quote:
Originally posted by Vulu:
Ya well...
I run a PC emulator on my Mac G3 and play Half-Life and Deus Ex...OH! Smokin'...

softare mode though... correct? I couldnt get GL to work for my friend with that softwindows thing...

So, you see, Macs can literally do PC shit.. can PC's do that? :P

Posted by Vulu on Apr. 16 2001,13:11

MOUHAHAHA! I have L337 hax0r skillz with my PC emulator on my Mac!nt0sh! BOOTAR! I willz 0wn j00 all! AH! I play Counter-Stryke on my Mac!nt0sh and I am too 3L337 for joo all...I 0wnz j00 all on my Appel Mac!nt0sh!
</psycotic rambling>

Posted by Blowgoats on Apr. 16 2001,13:15

No, because PC's have the superior platform, Mac's have to have an emulator to keep up with us....dumbass.....If Mac's were so good then PC's would have an emulator aswell. BUT THEY AREN'T!! And what programs do you know of that you can't get on a PC and are avail. for Mac's??

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Posted by Vulu on Apr. 16 2001,13:19

TH!NK D!FF3R3N7
BOOTAR! AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

This message has been edited by Vulu on April 17, 2001 at 08:29 AM

Posted by ic0n0 on Apr. 16 2001,13:27

Macs take away all your power, if you want to start out as a power user that is impossible in a Mac platform. Win2k gives me more than enough power where as Mac os’s don’t give you shit.

AH!! ONE BOTTON MOUSE!

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Posted by SLATE on Apr. 16 2001,13:28

quote:
Originally posted by Blowgoats:
And what programs do you know of that you can't get on a PC and are avail. for Mac's??

MacOS

Posted by Blowgoats on Apr. 16 2001,13:30

Vulu, that is CHEESE!! And MacOs can suck my knob, Slate!

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Posted by Vulu on Apr. 16 2001,13:32

CHEESE IS MADE WITH BOOTAR! MMM...YUMMY CHHESE...

Posted by Blowgoats on Apr. 16 2001,13:34

No, Vulu, this kind of cheese!!

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Posted by SLATE on Apr. 16 2001,13:37

WTF does that have to do with this thread!?

Posted by Vulu on Apr. 16 2001,13:39

oops

This message has been edited by Vulu on April 17, 2001 at 08:43 AM

Posted by Vulu on Apr. 16 2001,13:41

ITZ ALL ABOAT THE CHEEZE!

CHEESE WARZ!

This message has been edited by Vulu on April 17, 2001 at 08:42 AM

Posted by Blowgoats on Apr. 16 2001,13:45

CHEESE WARZ ARE ON, BIATCH!!

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Posted by SLATE on Apr. 16 2001,13:49

quote:
Originally posted by Vulu:
ITZ ALL ABOAT THE CHEEZE!

CHEESE WARZ!

wtf is che?

Posted by SiLVeR54 on Apr. 16 2001,16:09

NO ONE CAN HURT ME, NOT WITH MY CHEESE HELMET!

silver

This message has been edited by SiLVeR54 on April 17, 2001 at 11:28 AM

Posted by Observer on Apr. 16 2001,16:52

Say, isn't Linux available for the PowerPC and G3/4 Macs?

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Posted by Blowgoats on Apr. 16 2001,19:08

Yeah, so. That doesn't really matter. The big platform is Windows and that's where everything is at rightnow. It's not my fault I'm right.....

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Posted by SLATE on Apr. 17 2001,05:23

my friend runs linux off one of his old macs..
you know.. black and white screen.. the screen is the computer...

Posted by Vulu on Apr. 17 2001,21:50

CHE is the good stuff...
and EEZ is the nasty stuff no one wants...kinda like BG.