oh btw if you ever want a chance to know how d-day really happened i suggest going to normandy to find out cos saving private ryan knows fuck all about it!

and there i rest my case... ah thats better my case has had a nice rest so now i'm going to put some paper in it and slide it under my desk.

old classic wwII films own!!! oh and the ww1 films "gunbus" and "aces high" own also

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oh btw if you ever want a chance to know how d-day really happened i suggest going to normandy to find out cos saving private ryan knows fuck all about it!

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Considering how I don't have the time or (esspecially) money to relive tragic events in history that I wasn't alive to even know about and how it had no direct effects on my ansestors... I'll just settle for second best at the price of Ů + popcorn

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on July 22, 2001 at 10:02 PM

I will get flamed for this, I know...
/me ducks and hides

If you want to see a really good and disturbing movie about the reality and cruelty of war, go watch "All Quiet on the Western Front". It is about WW1, and though it was made in 1929/30, it is still really touching, and it shows war as it is, focusing on people as humans and not as nationalities.

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relive tragic events in history that I wasn't alive to even know about and how it had no direct effects on my ansestors...

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Until now I gave you the benefit of the doubt about your level of intelligence. This statement alone shows that you are a brain dead piece of trash the does not know a fucking thing about how things work in the universe.

WWII had an effect on all of us and our ancestors and it still has an effect on us today.

Do you remember the Berlin wall coming down? Did that have any effect on you at all? That was directly caused by WWII.

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um what? it was called the most realistic war movie EVER by VETERANS. a lot of them had flashbacks during the first scene.

don't you trash talk saving private ryan, or you're goin down!

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"All Quiet on the Western Front

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i know the author was IN world war I, but did he have to make it seem so boring?

the ending was sad though... he carried Kat all the way back to the bunkers just to find that a splinter of shrapnel got him in the temple...

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This message has been edited by pengu1nn on July 23, 2001 at 10:37 AM

"All Quiet on the Western Front" - that book is not about WW1, but more about war in general, and about its uselessness, danger and stupidity. I guess parts of the book are a bit boring, I didn't read it but I watched the movie and it really touched me.

As for the rest of the movie, they did a great job of painting German soldiers as targets. Makes you want to cheer everytime a bullet enters one of them and makes them be dead. Go USA! We kick ass, which is a euphemism for pointing guns at people and choosing to end their lives. Not a big fan over, sorry.

The whole of the film the longest day went on realism. so did saving priovate ryan (for a bit) but my reasons as to why i'm right and you're wrong are this.

The longest day didnt need OTT violence and swearing to show what war is really like! i can pick out 10 major scenes in the film that directly relate to real life events that happened, as i said i just spent 2 weeks going around the museums and actual war memorials checking this stuff out.

i have seen pretty much all the old war movies made and the main point that i'm trying to make really is that having people blown to peices and people saying "fuck!" every other sentance doesnt need to happen to show what war is really about when you're doing a film (drama reconstructions i do give a bit more leway as they arent trying to make money as much).

And the point about going to normandy? i wasnt saying go there or never know about the war i was saying if you want to know the full story about what happened then go there as its damn good look at history. I knew nothing about arramnche and the mulbury harbour (where britain built and brought a whole man made harbour across the channel) before i went and i bet you won't be seeing a movie about that any time soon to tell you about d-day!

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i have seen pretty much all the old war movies made and the main point that i'm trying to make really is that having people blown to peices and people saying "fuck!" every other sentance doesnt need to happen to show what war is really about when you're doing a film (drama reconstructions i do give a bit more leway as they arent trying to make money as much).

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the point im making is that saving private ryan was realistic. saying the longest day was a good movie even without the swearing and gore is all fine and good, but that doesn't make it realistic. soldiers got blown up. they yelled fuck a lot. that's reality.

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Is it just me or does WWF look 10 times more entertaining when playing the benny hill music in the background.

And yes, war means people getting blown up and soldiers swearing and all that, but that is only PART of reality. The real experience of war means fear, personal courage, care for friends and family, hunger, cold, losing your home, not knowing whether your father is still alive, being raped, and this list could continue on and on. Brave men doing brave things and getting a medal when everything has turned out fine is part of war reality... but ever so small a part. And a movie that only shows the heroism of such a few cannot be called a realistic war movie. It is maybe a movie that shows some realistic battles scenes.

That is why "All Quiet on the Western Front", or "The Bridge on the River Kwai" are such good movies. Because they don't just show battles and bravery, but also personal impulses, fear, and issues that are concerning the whole humanity and not just a certain platoon.

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the point im making is that saving private ryan was realistic. saying the longest day was a good movie even without the swearing and gore is all fine and good, but that doesn't make it realistic. soldiers got blown up. they yelled fuck a lot. that's reality.

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im afraid i have to agree. i get the feeling that some of you would rather have a movie where they pulled up to the beach, shot 1 nazi, and then moved on, but followed history correctly, than something that accuractely portrays the experience of being on the beach. its like the discussion i was having with my friends about final fantasy. even if you dont like the movie, you have to accept that its a huge leap forward in movie making(like SPR was). if your movie doesnt LOOK real, then you lose the illusion of reality. for example. superman movies. they were good, but i never once thought there was a remote possibility they were real, because i could see through the effects. therefore the movie was less effective on me, than say, a little kid who cant see that its bluescreened. take a movie, like final fantasy, or SPR, and you watch it, and your a LOT less likely to notice that its not real, because its done really really well. the illusion is upheld. when i watched SPR for the first time, 6 minutes in, i had COMPLETELY forgotten that this was just a movie, and so the illusion had worked. if the dummies and stuff they had used were not high quality, and werent well done, then the illusion would have been lost, and it wouldnt have been as good an experience. this is why i hate sitting through old war movies, and really, old movies in general. i dont believe them. without the illusion, i start looking for other stuff to do, because im not interested. even if SPR wasnt accurate, its still a leap forward in technology (they could apply all that shit they did to other parts of the war). now, if you got someone who wanted to make a really accurate movie, and put them together with spielberg, then you could make a really realistic, accurate movie, as opposed to an accurate, boring movie. before SPR, that wasnt very likely.

CK, this is the kinda thing you meant, right?

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does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here

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This statement alone shows that you are a brain dead piece of trash the does not know a fucking thing about how things work in the universe.

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Let me RE EXPLAIN that. Teach me about the war fine. Make me RELIVE it? No. I have ZERO desire to EXPERIENCE the horrors of war or whatever. IF I did I would join the millitary. Why am I an idiot for wanting to watch a 2 hour movie (no matter HOW inaccurate it is) rather than spend DAYS learning about something that I don't really have any intrest in in the first place. This is the equivilant of telling you that you HAVE to go to a cheese factory... take the tour... and get fresh cheese instead of just buy Kraft cheese at the store. That's right... you heard me: I care more about cheese than FUCKING WWII!

And BTW, I thought the movie sucked too.

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"All Quiet on the Western Front" - that book is not about WW1

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i remember the part when the main character was talking about how he thought the germans were the only good ones, and that what they were doing was for the best. but then he begins thinking that the French and everyone else much think theyre right ass well. confusing stuff. i gave it a C.
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However, after that beach scene, like heaves said, it was alot Hollywood, but not all Hollywood. As for the German, it was real. The weapons, uniforms, etc, all authentic. Even the story, of going back to save a brother to bring him home, is realistic. It happened, with a man named Fritz Niland, who was trapped behind enemy lines. All 3 of his brothers were killed and he was brought back home.

Now, I have seen The Longest Day, and it is not even close to realistic. It was good that they showed all sides of the invasion, but jeebus, if it has John Wayne in it, it is not going to be realistic. If I remember his name correctly, it is Cornelius Ryan who wrote the book "The Longest Day", and it was largely innacurate. I would suggest reading the book by Stephen Ambrose, "D-Day, June 6th, 1944: The Climactic Battle of World War II". It's a great book, it will tell you every facet of the invasion, and is very accurate, mainly because Ambrose interviewed hundreds of vets who were in the D-Day invasion.

So there ya have it.. It's out now, I'm a World War II nut. Don't fuck with me.

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I have great respect for veterins and those who didn't survive. I know that the war had a HUGE impact on EVERYTHING. I'll I'm saying is that I have no personal ties with that way, and I'm not interesting in history in general.

I wasn't trying to bomb on WWII... I bombing DKB calling everyone stupid for watching a movie rather than going to France to roll around on historical battle sites... or go see consentration camps or whatever. I'm sure it's a WONDERFUL experience, but I don't have the money OR the time. And even if I did, that stuff just doesn't intrest me. And as far as I've heard, they don't have cheese samples.

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And the point about going to normandy? i wasnt saying go there or never know about the war i was saying if you want to know the full story about what happened then go there as its damn good look at history

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yeah cos something like that is REALLY making you go to france and make you feel stupid. I guess not having you're country bombed to fuck and stuck under years of war kinda made you feel like it didnt mean much.
oh well thats americans i guess

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i think 85\% of the movie was describing this. the other 15\% was cool realistic action scenes. you are almost as bad as that slashdot critic who bashes films based on the preview and never goes to see them.

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yes sithiee that's pretty much what i was talking about. and i don't think liney has even seen SPR.

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i think 85\% of the movie was describing this. the other 15\% was cool realistic action scenes. you are almost as bad as that slashdot critic who bashes films based on the preview and never goes to see them.

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I have seen SPR. In fact, I watched it wholly through although after about 10 minutes I felt totally sick from what I saw. But I had decided to watch it, because I'd heard it was a very good movie, and that everyone should have seen it. So I watched it. And the impression I have is what I told here, and even if a movie is said to be great by some hollywood critics, I still have the right to not agree with them and have my own opinion.

But I guess it's not much use arguing over this much longer...

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so i have a LOT of resources to prove my opinions.

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opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. proving one would be impossible.

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The whole of the film the longest day went on realism. so did saving priovate ryan (for a bit) but my reasons as to why i'm right and you're wrong are this.

The longest day didnt need OTT violence and swearing to show what war is really like! i can pick out 10 major scenes in the film that directly relate to real life events that happened, as i said i just spent 2 weeks going around the museums and actual war memorials checking this stuff out.

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i have seen pretty much all the old war movies made and the main point that i'm trying to make really is that having people blown to peices and people saying "fuck!" every other sentance doesnt need to happen to show what war is really about when you're doing a film (drama reconstructions i do give a bit more leway as they arent trying to make money as much).

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if you want to show what war is really about then you don't need bullets and you don't need bombs, you need politics/ some greedy bastards/ and money.

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As for the rest of the movie, they did a great job of painting German soldiers as targets. Makes you want to cheer everytime a bullet enters one of them and makes them be dead. Go USA! We kick ass, which is a euphemism for pointing guns at people and choosing to end their lives. Not a big fan over, sorry.

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I'll be the first to admit that the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi...but knowing a film of this magnitude instills feelings of pleasure, comfort, and excitement when a German is killed makes me fucking sick. Nazi or not, I find cheering at the death of a real life enemy repulsive.

It's a job...a duty. Not a fucking feel-good karma crusade.

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i went to normandy for two weeks damn its got loads of cool stuff on the second world war. it just goes to show how much went on that we all dont know about, and probably how some it will never see the light of day.
Time to go play some Red Alert 2.

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Enough of that though. I have seen the movie "All Quiet on the Western Front," and it is a pretty good movie, although there were moments of extreme boredom and then times where you were going "WHY ARE YOU SITTING THERE?" But hey, that's what war is. A lot of sitting around followed by being scared shitless. But that's just my take.

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Why am I an idiot for wanting to watch a 2 hour movie (no matter HOW inaccurate it is) ...

And BTW, I thought the movie sucked too.

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And the quote i was beating on you for, you miss spent cum wad, was this one.

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relive tragic events in history that I wasn't alive to even know about and how it had no direct effects on my ansestors...

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These events, not the movies that show them, had lots of direct effects on everyones ansestors. Even inbred fucks like you.

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That's right... you heard me: I care more about cheese than FUCKING WWII!

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Then help us all if you end up in a position of power anywhere in the world.

Edit:yeah, so...

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This message has been edited by Wolfguard on July 25, 2001 at 06:00 AM

SPR was as close as we let our selves, as vets, remember these things. In a firefight, when the guy next to you eats it, it is messy. the shit does spray around, you do spend the rest of the day with what is left of him on your uniform. Head shots are the worse. you learn first hand that brain matter is still grey even after an hour. You learn that the first thing a person does when he dies is evacuate his bowls and blater, mostly while he is still screaming.

got to stop. hands shaking

And my point was... I won't force you to care about cheese... so please don't force me to care about war. I don't care about war. I don't care. YES, that makes me ignorant. I also don't care about tape worms. I don't care about Gerymandering. I don't care about country music. I don't care about cars. I'm ignorant about ALL of these things, and I don't care.

If apathy for war makes me an asshole and a passion for cheese makes me a geek... so be it... I really don't see it that way, because I haven't insulted anyone else BECAUSE they have different intrests than me.

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Your not ignorant, that can be cured.

you just a fucking idiot.

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Is it just me or does WWF look 10 times more entertaining when playing the benny hill music in the background.

Is Spielberg incapable of making a good war film (I'm deciding that Schindler's List wasn't a war film because it wasn't) What was that 'comedy' he made? 1942 or something. That was stupid. So was SPR.

That story should have been a made for cable television mini series not a fucking film. Who the fuck wants to know about whiney Matt Damon hiding in the middle of nowhere with 'the only family he has left'? I don't.

That film was like a comic book version of war but with realistic headshots. I think there was one interesting bit when someone had been shot and they spent a long time on the beach trying to save him and just when they stabilised him he got hit in the head.
All that crap with the German guy was stupid. Why? Because they painted Germans to be inherently evil. But if some germans had found one American guy and could have killed him but let him go free that american would have gone back to a German camp and gone back to the front line to kill more evil Nazi bastards. Spielberg is a pretty simple guy really.

And what was with the stars and stripes at the beginning and end? So it's because they're american that they completed the mission, not because they're good soldiers? Fuck my ass.

What I want to see is more WW2 films based in the war with Japan. No that doesn't include Pearl Harbour. I want to see films about what my Grandfather had to go through in Burma. I heard about this battle to do with the Admin Box and I want that as a film. A bunch of military personnel not trained for fighting because they did the 'civilian' tasks had to defend themselves against Japanese attacks until help arrived.

Anyway. Catknight's a tool as-per-use. I'm bored with typing. And 8 out of ten veterans prefer eating shit to admitting that Saving Private Ryan was a good depiction of war.
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I bet loads of Americans chanted 'U-S-A U-S-A' at the end of SPR. Like twats.

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that was dumb, twat.

This message has been edited by LazyGit on August 02, 2001 at 04:09 AM

I do hope it didn't affect the message behind what I was saying. I can repeat it for you if you so wish.
cheers