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I just got done nearly flunking a test about the Oedipus series (Sophocles)... ow.

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hey just feel good that it wasn't a test on the connection between hamlet and oedipus rex. trust me, they are there think about it this way: wasn't hamlet a bit too close to his mom? the one scene where he kills polonius, lets just say its been, erm, played many different ways.

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pretty freakin twisted, if you ask me.

but shakespeare didn't stop there. he wrote a cute little play, the title of which escapes me, about a father and a daughter who are stranded on an island for sixteen years. daddy gets pretty upset and jealous when daughter finds a guy and hooks up.

seems mr. shakespeare had his own set of issues.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
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Denmark is the only country I'd ever want to live in. The girls here are sooo pretty, and the beer is good.

Historically the vikings from Denmark discovered America before C. Columbus. But for some reason they'd rather eat funny mushrooms and sail on looting parties to England.

Geografically we are just right to England, just above Germany and just left to Sweden.

Put my country down all you want. I just know I'm happy living here.

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Originally posted by Kolben:
[denmark kicks ass!!!]

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I've heard the Danes hate foreigners. Is that true? Because if it isn't, I'm moving there.

Well, you're allowed the dislike Germans. If you want to know why the US is so warlike, and so big on parades etc., research how many Germans emigrated here in the past 200 years.

You guys only pay about 40\% in taxes? We pay about that much in the US, but we get FAR less in the way of services than you do.

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he wrote a cute little play, the title of which escapes me, about a father and a daughter who are stranded on an island for sixteen years.

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About us hating foreigners is partially true. But people from other western countries are fine. And we don't hate germans either. They've changed alot since the worldwars.

We do not like middle east people. We do all kinds of stuff to help the refugees, but their behavior is unacceptable. They're destroying the country. They're creating violent gangs in the large cities, raping women. They're yelling at the Danes calling us rascists, no matter what we do. They're cheating our systems gaining welfare and are often wealthier than the Danes working hard. Imagine inviting people to stay in your house, because they are poor people that ran away from the wars. And then they start calling you names, having big parties, inviting all their friends and shitting on your carpet. That's what we feel like they're doing. And that's what we don't like. Personally I've got nothing against them, as they are often friendly (except for those in the gangs), but I agree with every other Dane about the fact that they don't belong in Denmark. They just don't fit in in our way of living. And then we start being protective.

This message has been edited by Kolben on February 18, 2001 at 06:01 AM

i mean, hell, i didn't invent it. go bitch to william shakespeare.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
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We do not like middle east people...they start calling you names, having big parties, inviting all their friends and shitting on your carpet.

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Sounds like how most Americans feel about Mexicans. (Disclaimer: Not me. I want more of them here.)

I'm having trouble visualizing a gang of Arabs... is it easy to open your own business in Denmark? If not, that might be why you have problems with them. The Arab culture is one of shopkeepers. Here they mostly open their own stores or fast-food restaurants.

Oh, the incest reference is to Shakespeare's play Hamlet, which takes place in Denmark. I have a feeling he chose Denmark because 1. it would have been a very mysterious place to a 17th century audience, and 2. if he made it take place in England, the royalty might have got upset about it and chopped his head off.

The full text of Hamlet is available< here. >

So... tell me more... like, what is Internet access like there? Do you pay per minute, or a flat rate, or what?

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We developed the helicopter, insulin (cure for diabetes)

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Isn't insulin has been discovered or synthetized in canada first, somewhere in the forties?

I think i already heard that, but i'm not sure

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Their problem is that they can't do ANYTHING the Danes do, because of their religion.

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Maybe you should send them over here. We have a very large Muslim community in California, and for the most part we like them. Except when they're at the airport- then the security gets a little nervous.

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they are only having little convienience stores... actually we like people from Italy.

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Did anyone one see Spike Lee's film Jungle Fever? One of the characters refers to Italians as "the white man's cesspool." I give my friend Mr. Spinelli shit about that all the time.

Oddly enough, Arabs open a ton of convenience stores over here, also. I actually prefer Arab-owned minimart - they always carry the coolest stuff, and they're really friendly. It's rare for a white person to call me "my friend" or "dude" unless he knows me, but most of the Arabs do.

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In fact you it's a monthly fee you HAVE to pay if you live certain places, wether you use it or not.

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BTW. The country isn't that mysterious.

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It is to me. We get a lot of news about England, and occassionally France and Germany, but we never hear ANYTHING about Denmark. That's why I want to know. I saw that you were from Denmark and thought "hmm, how can I get this person to fill me in on his country?"

I'm not poking fun at Denmark, and I don't think Kuru was either. Why bother? Canada is a lot more fun to bash on. Still, "Hamlet lived in Denmark" is about all the exposure we get to your country.

On the other hand, you guys probably get a ton of news about the US, which isn't necessarily a good thing - the news will tell you we bombed Iraq again, but it won't tell you that most of us could care less about some stupid foreign war somewhere.

Speaking of that, are you required to join the Danish military? I know some countries have that.

And putting up with that monthly fee for the internet, is ok. The people that doesn't use the internet that much, will benefit from other stuff. We have a good social life here and we are happy to help eachother to make our lives better. We know that if people stick together to reach something, they doesn't have to strech their arms so far. From what I hear about US it's more like "everybody are on their own". We always have somebody to help us. Almost always anyways.

About our army. Every male in Denmark has to go to a session that determines your physical and mental health. And if you are declared fit to serve in the army, you'll have to draw a number. The ones with the lowest numbers have to serve. If it wasn't a duty to serve, no one here would.

But then again. We do not need an army for ourselves. It's only because UN requires it. We refuse to go to war on our own. Mainly because it's not in our nature to kill other people, but also because of the size of the country. We couldn't ever defend ourselves if a big country should attack us. That's why we surrendered to the germans in the second WW. Not because we had taken their side. But if we even tried to put up a fight we'd get slaughtered in no time. Instead a lot of people sabotaged the railroads and so on, so the germans couldn't get their equipment to Norway.

BTW. When I saw on the news that US just bombed Iraq, it pissed me off a bit. The story is that you bombed them because they had radars that could see your military aircrafts on their patrols. Sadam Insane is a SOB, but if that's the way you treat him, I can only begin to understand why.

About the foreigners. They wouldn't want to go to USA. They don't even want to go home, now the war is over. They'd much rather sit in Denmark and leech all our good efforts to help eachother out. They see our laws and common rules as tools to make themselves rich, as we see them as tools to make our lives happy. And when someone benefits from them without any concern or contribution to tohers we get a bit pissed off.

Denmark is a country for Danes and people that can learn to live our way of life. If you can't do that and still stays in Denmark, we don't like you.

try the us AND britain bombed iraq because not only could iraq see our (collective) jets on patrols of the no-fly zone, they were threatening them with anti-aircraft missiles.

but of course, the news and the iraqis only care about half of the story. word is, saddam hussein doesn't give a shit that his military was threatening to shoot down planes on patrol, or that the british were *also* bombing, and that this was UN sanctioned. he just has his minions wave their little banners and hate america.

so next time you wanna get 'pissed off' at how we treat saddam, think about how it would be if it was one of *your* relatives patroling in one of the planes saddam was pointing his anti-aircraft missiles at and threatening to shoot 'em down. that's why iraq got bombed, not because the usa is just big mean bullies like you saw on the news.

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'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
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YOU made him point AA against you. (You didn't have to be there). YOU started the war against him. YOU bombed HIS country. And what you did was only a demonstration of your power. Even the american people that were interviewed said that. I think you went over the line there, and so did Britain I guess. But why is it that USA is involved in EVERY war on the earth? Because then you can sell some weapons. Because then you can help one of the sides so that they'd be in debt to you forever. The US military is a money machine, and to keep wars going keeps getting you money. And that's what people don't like about you. And get the hell out of Israel too.

We fear you now. We're affraid of you, ok? Are you happy now? Then please pack up your stuff and go home.

And I don't even care about the US side of the story, because there isn't any. Other than Bush showing off.

Let me ask you:
If an intruder gets into your house and you point a gun at him. Is he then allowed to shoot you?

What should Iraq have done? "Oh look...an evil looking plane that could kill us...oh the guy controlling it hates us...let's look the other way"...no one would do that...

USA started it. USA is to blame for it. You actually killed some people there, and injured even more. What did they do to you...did they yell at you?

If you don't want your relatives to get killed, then don't F**KING send them into a war. Has anybody ever attacked USA other than the Japanese? No! So stick your noses in your own business and leave other people alone. We don't want your wars...

This message has been edited by Kolben on February 19, 2001 at 11:50 AM

And they are only having little convienience stores. They junkfood business, isn't that popular here, and the italian mob (*w*) can easily handle the market. Actually we like people from Italy.

Kuru: I just found it a bit ackward that you started talking about incest out of the blue in a post about Denmark. Your reference was Hamlet, and that's ok, but there's alot of other much more exiting stuff in Hamlet, than incest.

Internet connections here are currently (sloooowly) being upgraded to bredband (broadband?), which means 10 Mbit per user. This is flatrate. In fact you it's a monthly fee you HAVE to pay if you live certain places, wether you use it or not. Else we've got ADSL and ISDN connections, both flatrate. ISPs have recently learned that they have to supply the bandwith their selling, so you actually get what you pay for.

And I believe that it was the company called Novo Nordic that invented insulin. Their lab/building/thing on the ground is placed near Copenhagen.

BTW. The country isn't that mysterious.

Kuru is right also. We have massive trade embargos against the country because we don't want sophisticated computer technology to get in, or any other means of creating chemical/biological/nuclear weaponry. Until Saddam is out of power and a peaceful democracy is in place, he is a threat to his neighbors, the US, Europe, and especially the people in his own country.

To use your analogy, how would you feel if I broke into your house with a gun to keep you from beating your kids to death. You'd hate it, people would wonder why I was in your home that you own, but in the end, maybe I'd be saving those kids.

Kuru...what the f**k is wrong with you? What have you been smoking? When did I say that Sadam Insane was a nice guy? He's a sick freak, but still a human being. Give the guy a chance. Ever since he messed up you've been over him day and night.
And why don't you destroy his chemical weapons with your advanced military instead of destroying the only DEFENCE he has got.
And why should Sadam nuke my country? We are not causing anybody any harm. That's the DANISH way of living. We speak our oppinions, but we don't fight. We don't even want to have an army. Because the only reason for having an army is going to war. Offcourse we've got a defence, but we are planning on never using it.

USA has nuclear weapons. Why can't other countries have them? What makes you so special? I'm very much against nukes, (and all kinds of weapons) so don't misunderstand this. But if you can have them everyone should be allowed. Why should we trust you over Pakistan (who recently got nuclear capabilities) for instance?

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The american prejudice is so dominant that you've got a hard time seeing different perspectives of the same case. You think you never make mistakes and you think you are the gods of the world. If someone says something bad you start calling them names and beating them up instead of trying to see it from their side.
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Feel free to prove me wrong...I know that USA makes mistakes. I've never seen an american admit that he made a mistake. But I can come up with a few wrong moves...

To help you explore the situation with Sadams eyes:
What if Sadam had shot down your patrol? What would happen then? USA would go insane and throw billions of bombs at him. Do you really think that's what he wants? Is he really that stupid? No! Maybe he has the defence to DEFEND himself if USA should get a powertrip sometime. ARG...I guess you got a powertrip and removed his defences. What's next? Removing all the stones on the ground so he can't throw them at you? Taping over his mouth so he can't yell at you?

I won't try to argue anymore about this subject because we do obviously not agree on much here. And I don't think that I can describe my oppinion any clearer without writing a book about it. And it was certainly not my goal to bitch about USA in a thread about Denmark, but you started biting my head off before I got the time to say anything. And offcourse you are protective here. This has turned into YOUR war, and no matter what anybody says Iraq will always be the devils walking the earth.

askheaves:
Good point there...

This message has been edited by Kolben on February 19, 2001 at 03:11 PM

It's obvious what you've been smoking, so I won't ask. I will, however, make the following points.

Invading another country to grab land and oil is not a harmless mistake. There are any number of specific goals he could have been aiming with, but they all boil down to simple Power. Let us not forget that he has waged war on Iran at great length, and has contributed to general instability in the Middle East for decades. It is clear what his aims are. It is also clear that he had, and likely still has/will have, the means to cause considerable damage in the pursuit of those aims.

There are two options when dealing with with a powerful and antagonistic dictator: removal, or containment. We've bungled a number of attempts at the first, so we've settled for the second.

Note my continued use of "we." By we I mean the United Nations as a whole; America has traditionally led the mutually agreed-upon efforts of the UN, so of course America takes the lead in the Iraqi containment. Saddam's best weapon, currently, is capitalizing on anti-American sentiment worldwide; a propaganda war he's surprisingly successful at.

At any rate, everything in the Middle East boils down to oil. All industrialized western nations depend on it, of course. As such, it figures heavily into any actions taken by any such nation in regards to middle east policy. This is not an altruistic method of decision making, to be sure. No one pretends it is. It is the bottom line. However, the actions that have been taken have, more often than not, proven good for the general stability of the region. There is no question that this has saved more lives that in cost in UN military action. Lives of Kuwaitis, of Iraqi Kurds, of Iranians that Saddam might have wanted to further agitate.

Back to the current situation. Saddam does not have the right to point weapons at the UN forces containing him. He surrendered that right when he initiated hostilities against other sovereign nations. Of course, he should have been contained/removed long ago, but there was less oil concern involved then (not to mention that tangling with Iraq would have meant tangling with a big Red Bear, with possible armaggeddon). It is unfortunate that that is the overriding factor, but it is fortunate that we did eventually get off our asses and take action against the problem.

Saddam loves provoking us. It's the propaganda and anti-american sentiment I mentioned before. He certainly doesn't care if a few desert troops and outdated radar stations are annihilated, if it gives him material to throw against us. And it works.

The losers in this have always been the iraqi civilians and enlisted grunts. Poor bastards, they still revere Saddam. They don't have much choice in the matter, anyway. That's how dictatorships work.

This message has been edited by Vigilante on February 19, 2001 at 03:37 PM

As for the sorties being flown since the war, I'm not 100\% in agreement with that expenditure of money/ordnance. However, keeping his C&C network in rubble, and preventing construction of war materials is neccessary to the overall containment effort.

Right now, it's a stalemate. We can't get an assassin near him. We can't occupy the entire country and dig him out, for any number of reasons. We can't reason with him. We can't turn his people against him. We can't dislodge him in any way. We can only contain him by conventional means, which gives him a wealth of propaganda material, and secures his own position within his borders.

there are two options. put in place a new government, or contain the one that's there. hussein has threatened attacks on american targets like new york...and if he ever gets the bombs, he'll use them.

so right now, the UN has no choice other than to keep him in place by force.

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we went over there because we were *asked* for help. because saddam's such a wonderful guy that he was killing kuwaitis for no reason, after having invaded their country. and we're still there because the bastard threatens to unleash chemical and biological warfare, he threatens terrorist attacks, and he's currently trying to amass enough uranium to build his own nuclear arsenal.

so, you ignorant little prick, maybe we should just let saddam run rampant and do whatever the hell he wants, maybe if he nukes *YOUR* country, you'll understand why the UN and the usa, and great britain are over there.

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There's not a shred of evidence that, given the chance, Saddam would attempt to run his country in a peaceful and mutually beneficial way with his citizens and neighbors.

and 'ethnic cleansing' is just a politically correct word for GENOCIDE.

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hussein has threatened attacks on american targets like new york...and if he ever gets the bombs, he'll use them.

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It's exactly that attitude that most americans have, that gets everybody to hate you. I can with a reasonably amount of certainty say that he will NOT throw bombs at you.

From what you say I've come to the conclusion that you don't play chess and other strategic games that requires thought about what happens next in a given situation. If Hussein was EVER to bomb USA he'd get the whole world after him. And then he WOULD get killed, and his country WOULD get bombed untill there's only ruins left. He KNOWS that. And no one wants that. Specially not Hussein who's gonna end up as the biggest loser the world has seen.

And you have to look at Hussein with the "parenting-glasses" on. If he runs around doing bad stuff and no one does anything about it (the case before the war), he will start feeling that he's doing nothing wrong or that it's ok what he's doing. Then you kicked his ass and wiped his military out, and he was tought a lesson. He knew then that he messed up. His forces are now destroyed or located in Iraq, like they're supposed to be, and you still attack him. Where should he run to now? Either you must kill him or withdraw your attacks. Anything else is torture of the Iraqi people including Hussein. And then you're not better than he is. But if he fires just a single shot again, you are welcomed to kick his ass.

I ask you: What is he supposed to do now, if he has become a better person. If he had learned from his mistakes. He can't show it to anybody, because you are there, to kick his ass if he just sticks his head out in the air. And he can't put up defences so that he can get out to show you, because you'll bomb them.

Maybe I have too much faith in man, but I think you have too little faith...and too little faith is the basis for getting enemies. I hope that you can see this from my point of view. I'm a "neutral" in this matter. As neutral as can be anyways. But I still think USA DID make a mistake in bombing his defences. Because he points his defence at you in HIS country is not an act of war. That's generally an act of defence. And now you can spend weeks telling me that he is a bad person and that people never changes. Well...prove me wrong. Prove to me that Sadam will come after you with everything he's got. If you can't PROVE that you have no basis for removing his defences. (IMO)

This message has been edited by Kolben on February 20, 2001 at 02:08 AM

He/they apparently disagree with the entire concept of armed conflict. Unfortunately, it's not going away for a long while yet.

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like every other dumb american.

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So what's the problem?

And neutrality might be for whiners, but it has kept us safe since the first Worldwar. And it kept us safe during that time. So it has always kept us safe. If you want to go to war, do it, but leave me and other innocent people out of it. I've better things to waste my time on and so does others I think.

And jim you seem like a really nice person coming into a discussion bitching people without even relating it to anything. That's the stuff you do in the kindergarten...like if I said jims IQ is small, without even explaining why.

But take it to the other thread.

This message has been edited by Kolben on February 20, 2001 at 02:13 PM

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..if I said jims IQ is small, without even explaining why.

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You don't have to explain to us why Jim's IQ is small

seriously, though, if you guys are supposedly "neutral," why do you even bother getting upset about the US? How did we ever fuck with you?

This message has been edited by damien_s_lucifer on February 20, 2001 at 05:42 PM

This message has been edited by Prometheus on February 20, 2001 at 10:18 PM

you show me when and where saddaum tried to cooperate to get the sancitions lifted and i will rethink my stance on it.

let me put this to you in a way that might explain why the usa bombed iraq again.

you goto have lunch at burger king (or the denmark equivelent) as soon as you walk in the door some crazy ass mother fucker that you know wants to kill you puts a 12 guage shotgun up to your head. also you now this guy doesn't goto jail for shooting you, he gets paid for it. you go order your food and have a seat the guy is still right in your face with the gun inches from your face. you get a court order that says this guy can't do that anymore. the next day he is waiting for you with the gun right at your head as you walk out of your house and he follows you all day and all night, all the time you know he can pull the trigger at any moment

i guess what i'm trying to say is, saddaum lost his right to defend him self when he killed his own people and invaded someone elses country killing them too. if you weren't so fucking pig headed about the us you might see that but all you and the rest of the world wants to do is blame the us. that is ignorant and childish, they asked for the un's help and the un sent out the us troops. we beat the shit out of saddaum but the bastard didn't learn jackshit.

fuck this, i'm tired of defending my country everytime something happens, it's always gonna be the USA's fault and nothing is going to change that or else we will bomb everyone and use our evil military to slaghter millions of innocent people and do harm and cause anachey.

FUCK YOU

I didn't start this. I just answered and told my oppinion. I'm sorry you don't like it, but in my oppinion you are just like every other dumb american. Unable to see a situation from more that your own side. And offcourse you are. This is your war, so offcourse you hate him. And when did I say that I blame USA for everything? I blame USA for alot, but that's not the same. Deep down I guess it's a matter of the american personality, and actually...I'm happy I don't know you. I'm happy that it isn't Denmark you stay in, and fight for your right for killing people. Go to hell...or even better...just shut up. Or talk in THE OTHER THREAD.

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are you serious?
i didn't know.
maybe we should let the lam0r take over so we know when to eat and shit.
FUCK OFF, as if we can't see the other < thread >

Kolben, i did not say FUCK YOU Kolben, or FUCK YOU Kolben FROM DENMARK, or even FUCK YOU DENMARK. i said FUCK YOU. that goes out to all the fucking bitches that blame the USA for every single thing that goes wrong in this piece of shit world. fuck all of you motherfuckers that think your shit doens't stink. neutral, good, bad, they all suck.

and now lord and master Prometheus i shall goto the other < thread >

This message has been edited by pengu1nn on February 21, 2001 at 01:06 PM

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I'm sorry you don't like it, but in my oppinion you are just like every other dumb american. Unable to see a situation from more that your own side. And offcourse you are. This is your war, so offcourse you hate him. And when did I say that I blame USA for everything? I blame USA for alot, but that's not the same. Deep down I guess it's a matter of the american personality, and actually...I'm happy I don't know you. I'm happy that it isn't Denmark you stay in, and fight for your right for killing people. Go to hell...or even better...just shut up. Or talk in THE OTHER THREAD.

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lets see you say you don't know me, yet you say i'm like every other dumb american. JACKASS

why don't you open your own fucking eyes. look at it from another point of view. i'm sure denmark has a view, but its not the only view (denmark this, denmark that)

i guess everyone in denmark is just like you say americans are, self-centered and dumb. you are mad at the us because the bombings make refugees that goto your country and you don't like them. well that is wrong mister neutral. "they rape our women, and steal, and blah, blah, fuckin blah", and then your all "you shouldn't hurt the innocent, poor people of that country, because they come and fuck up ours". "america is bad for wanting to stop the killiing" but "denmark is good for hating these people" blah blah blah..., you say you and your country embrace the fact that you help each other and this and that but then you bitch when someone uses that help. fuckin hypocite country if you ask me. (now that i am done putting up bullshit lables on your country because of one jackass (thats you) maybe we can get pass this stereotyping bullshit)

i'm glad i can stand up and say "I am American. My country has balls. My country got off its ass and has fought, and will continue to, for the good of the entire fucking world, not just for itself."

i'm not perfect, and neither is my country but what we fuck up, we make up. you on the other hand try and push your pov but refuse to see anyone elses because it is just a dumb american saying it, or how bout a stupid canadian? (blame canada )

anyway i'm off of work (bet you thought americans didn't work) so i'm done for now.

This message has been edited by pengu1nn on February 21, 2001 at 02:15 PM

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are you serious?
i didn't know.
maybe we should let the lam0r take over so we know when to eat and shit.
FUCK OFF, as if we can't see the other < thread >

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Uhh... bud... no offense, but maybe you get some help. I'm sorry to post something so stupid, but I didn't know there was a spin-off that was more appropriate. And it wouldn't let me just delete it, either.
I'm sorry that it offended you so much... but I still can't see how.

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lets see you say you don't know me, yet you say i'm like every other dumb american. JACKASS...

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Allright. Fine. Now go live in a thirdworld country for 7 years and tell me how your perspectives change as time goes on.

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why don't you open your own fucking eyes. look at it from another point of view. i'm sure denmark has a view, but its not the only view (denmark this, denmark that)

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Hmmmm...let me see...hmmmm...topic...hmmm...Denmark. Well. The danish view isn't the only view. But unless you can produce valid arguments about your point of view I'd tend to disagree with it.

And about me being selfcentered. No I am not. The fact that we do not like the danish women being raped has nothing to do with selfcentration. The fact that people immigrate to Denmark to benefit from our good system is a fact. And that I don't like them is not me being selfcentered.

And if I live in a hypocrite country it's fine with me, if that's the recipe for being happy and giving everybody a good life. Our problem is only people who don't understand this system, coming to Denmark exploiting it. And why can I NOT feel sorry for the innocent people getting killed down there are? They've done nothing wrong. But when they come to Denmark most of them just add up to the rest if the "exploitors".

And what is your basis for saying that I don't think Americans work?

Well...let me update you with my new POV. You are dumber than the average american, being a disgrace to your country. There. And I still don't know you, but your actions makes it quite clear.

This message has been edited by Kolben on February 22, 2001 at 03:00 AM

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Originally posted by Kolben:
Our problem is only people who don't understand this system, coming to Denmark exploiting it. And why can I NOT feel sorry for the innocent people getting killed down there are? They've done nothing wrong. But when they come to Denmark most of them just add up to the rest if the "exploitors".

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The US has to deal with that problem also. A lot of people here think Mexicans come in and steal our jobs and take advantage of welfare. Personally, I think the way we treat Mexicans is one of our faults.

We COULD just change the system, but this is where we'd destroy the good thing we have. And our system IS good, as long as people aren't trying to exploit it.

Issue 1: Stereotyping and Hypocracy
You have said that "they", meaning refugees, are messing up your system and raping your women and God Knows what else. Then, you turn right around and say that you have "nothing against them" (Page 1). You have a LOT against them, and my impression of your posts is that you are prejudiced against anyone not Danish. Are we to believe that EVERY SINGLE DANE is the very definition of a Good Citizen? Is every single Dane a citizen of Pleasantville? All crime is committed by foreigners? Please.

Issue 2: Ignorance
You speak of welfare as if Denmark is the only country to have it. Well, here's a news flash--the U.S. has it, as well! Yes, believe it or not we understand what is happening, and guess what--we have welfare abusers here, too! Gasp! You mean there are people besides Those Filthy Arab Refugees who take advantage of social systems??? You want to know something else? WE DEAL WITH IT. I suggest you deal with it, too.

Listen, Kolben--it's nice to think that your country is isolated, and perfect. And, ya know what? It might be. However, there is a world beyond Denmark's boundries, and as you are finding out, those boundries are only political. It's time to learn to live with the rest of the world, because it sure isn't gonna go away.

One last question--if your systems are so "perfect", why can't they adapt readily to a new influx of people and culture?

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Yes, believe it or not we understand what is happening, and guess what--we have welfare abusers here, too! Gasp!

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and... get this... the VAST MAJORITY of welfare abusers are white, male, and American-born. Both in terms of percentages and numbers, WMA's have the HIGHEST rate of welfare fraud of any group!

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One last question--if your systems are so "perfect", why can't they adapt readily to a new influx of people and culture?

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From both sides, I say the US is fucking up the minds of the people who inhibit it just as much as Denmark does. You just keep countries alive that way.

If you were to ask me and I'd say what kolben said wasn't exactly coming out of his mouth. More like the news, his parents.. etc.
That or they were influenced by such factors. Just about as influenced are the opinions of the americans towards other countries in arguements like these.

America is not a godsend. Neither is Denmark. Polotics are a bitch, a system built for easier manipulation of people over a country or a sort of territory or things of the such.

And kolben is most likely right when he says how the denmark strangers can just lend each other a helping hand though they might not know each other. The US is really bad when it comes to matters like those. Of course, the US is a huge country.

Mind you, I'm from iran.

Jynx:
I've got nothing against them being in their own countries, where their bahavior is "normal". I've got something against many of them, living in Denmark exploiting our way of living.

I know you've got welfare in the US (how do you think I know the word). But I don't know your rules about it. This is why I told you the rules in Denmark. I wouldn't call myself ignorant.

And the danish system isn't "perfect". But it's the best one I've seen so far. But it's not a good system for people with more individual beliefs. In the US you work and get paid. This is also how it is in Denmark. But I here I think of it more like "you give your labour and the recievers gives you money". Off course there're individual people here. And off course there're danish welfare abusers here. But the Danes know the system, and know that they will not be accepted, by other people. They care about that, and tries to reduce the scale they use to cheat, where foreigners doesn't care about the Danes, the system and the women. This means that they leech as much as they can get, without even caring. Without even feeling a bit of a bad conscience. This is not how the system works. It works otherwise. It works for us. It works with our type of mentality. And if everybody was like us the world would be a nice place to be But forunately everybody is not, which makes it an exiting place to be. But I still believe that one should hesitate bringing too different cultures together. It works out nicely with chinese and japanese people in Denmark for instance, though there isn't that many of them.

This message has been edited by Kolben on February 23, 2001 at 03:34 AM

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The old fugetives (the parents) dont adapt to our way of living, they dont even learn danish. They children are the ones who are criminals.[b]

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A lot of people here complain about the Mexicans and Asians that come to America and don't bother to learn English, and don't learn our culture. And their children who cause a lot of trouble.

But then again, we've always been a nation of immigrants. An average White American, for example, has ancestors from all over Europe. So it seems kind of fucked up to say "no, you can't live here" to a foreigner.

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[b]the way your laws work: A thief can sue the owner of a house the thief broke into, if we cut himself on a knife in the owners kitchen!! (OK OK, I know I know ).

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That stuff happens sometimes. What the news doesn't tell you is that in cases like that the judge almost ALWAYS reduces the ů billion fine to a very small amount.

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Then there is the size of punishment. It's our impression, that all people must serve atleast 6.000.000 years in prison, if they have murdered of raped someone.

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Our prison system is fucked. I'll admit that.

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This seemes to danes, as an exaggeration, though I'd wish rape could be punished with more that a fine, here in Denmark.

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It's just a fine? wtf?

hey... how do you write "fuck" in Danish?

As for the word "fuck", we Danes use that word a lot. "Fuck" is allmost a word you can find in a dictionary.

If something is "fucked up", we sometimes say "fucked up". Also, the sudden "FUCK", when something goes wrong, we also use "FUCK".

But "You wanna fuck?" is translated to "skal vi kneppe?", where "fuck" equals to "kneppe".

"Fuck you!" is translated to "Fuck dig!".

If "fuck" is used to swear, we use "fuck", but if the word is used in sexual related sentences, we mostly use "kneppe". Hope that helped

(Good to have a danish-to-english dictionary at hand)

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Two shows they had from Denmark were called 'Strippers' and 'Sex-o-rama'(i think... it was pretty late). Basically, the strippers show was a day-in-the-life show about strippers. The Sex-o-whatever show had some folks at a latex party where everybody had full latex suits on and they just ran around feeling each other up. And the air times for these shows are around 10PM. Too weird.

It's like, every country in the world has these raunchy shows on (except maybe Canadia). Are they on broadcast TV? I mean, in order to see it, I had to wait until midnightish on a pay station that is easy for parents to block. Over in Germany, I've seen nudity on SAT-I, or something, like at 10 PMish.

We danes don't think of ourself as gods or something. I think Kolben's point (and mine) is, that all people are okay.... with exception of a few kinds. That thing which pisses us of, is all the fugetives AND non-fugetives, which come to our country, and steal and cheat every way they can. The old fugetives (the parents) dont adapt to our way of living, they dont even learn danish. They children are the ones who are criminals. They commit organized stealing, and they rape our women. (This is a fact). BUT we dont have anything against the peoples... as long as they stay in they own country, or atleast adapt to the danish way of living (or whatever country they have fled to).

Then there is our (danes) impression of you! (Americans). We dont hate you or anything.... but we tend to think you are a bit crazy sometimes For example, the way your laws work: A thief can sue the owner of a house the thief broke into, if we cut himself on a knife in the owners kitchen!! (OK OK, I know I know ). Then there is the size of punishment. It's our impression, that all people must serve atleast 6.000.000 years in prison, if they have murdered of raped someone. This seemes to danes, as an exaggeration, though I'd wish rape could be punished with more that a fine, here in Denmark.

That was my rant on the subject, time to go to school.... eh, I mean the university

*This text probably contain a lot of spelling mistakes. Please mind Im a dane

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This message has been edited by Deathsmurf on February 23, 2001 at 01:36 AM

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Originally posted by pengu1nn:
i was just pissin in the wind there, kolben had me all pissed off and instead of taking it out on him for some reason i pointed it at you.

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Forgiven.

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Originally posted by Prometheus:
Uhh... bud... no offense, but maybe you get some help. I'm sorry to post something so stupid, but I didn't know there was a spin-off that was more appropriate. And it wouldn't let me just delete it, either.
I'm sorry that it offended you so much... but I still can't see how.

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i was just pissin in the wind there, kolben had me all pissed off and instead of taking it out on him for some reason i pointed it at you.

What's so dangerous about nude people? This is actually antoher thing that puzzles the danes. We don't mind nudity. But thing that troubles us in movies, are blood and violence. You seem to have the inverse idea about this stuff that us

Anyways...if the parents doesn't want their kids to whach porn, they'll have to make them do other stuff.

This message has been edited by Kolben on February 24, 2001 at 05:05 PM

Denmark is a contry that I actually have done alot of research on in the past. Personally, I'm a BIG fan, and I think you improved what America started. Our system is a little recursive, and it's starting to break down and destroy itself! You absoltely belive that you guys are much better than us in MANY ways (but not all). Anyway, I totally agree with how weird it is how nudity is censored so strongly, but not violence. Heh.

No point really. I just wanted to say that MANY times I've considered moving there. Do they mostly speak English?

<wesley willis>ROCK ON DENMARK! Rock over DC.</wesley willis>

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