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Wolfen 
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Posted on: Dec. 31 2001,04:45 |
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Let us live!!!
Let us love!!!
Let us share the deepest secrets of our souls!!!
You first.
You ever wonder why it is so hard for people to believe we can do more than science tells us? Is science so all knowing? Can it tell us the meaning of life? Does it presume to limit a God; if there is one... how COULD we prove it? How could we step out of our reallity and into his?
Maybe we are the Sims to God... maybe he can save the game and come back to it later... maybe he can restore an old saved game until he gets it right... maybe he tried to give all of the souls in the universe a perfect world, but found the result to be boring and predictable. After all... we may just be for his entertainment. And how would the Sims step out of their reality and into ours? Would their science be able to prove we exist, or {gasp} prove that we do not exist...
So admiting that there may be other realities outside of our own could be the same as when we finally admitted that the Earth was not the center of the universe (a pompus belief, but we stood by it steadfastly)... it just took the right people looking at it from the right perspective... evidence that had always been there, but remaining elusive due to lack of technology, closed-mindedness, and a lot of running around in the face of incomplete, but compelling evidence saying, "La, la, la, I'm not listening...", instead of researching the evidence to see where it might lead.
Just think if the only thing stopping us from realizing our full potential is this steadfast belief that our scientifically provable reality is the only one. Just like a kid who is always told that he/she is ugly, will grow up to feel ugly, and therefore project ugliness, so we have been raised being told that we cannot do certain scientifically unprovable things (psychic powers, etc...), and therefore believe it. If there is a God, and if he did make us in his image, do you really think he said, "oh, yeah, except for the really cool stuff." Maybe Jesus was a normal human, maybe he was raised being taught that he was a messiah and was not limited like all of the rest of us... maybe his belief in himself gave him those abilities. Maybe if we believed in ourselves we could use those same abilities.
Wolfen
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ic0n0
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Posted on: Dec. 31 2001,07:27 |
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Those are some interesting thoughts and I agree that by accepting science wholeheartedly we may be ignoring many other possibilities but I am not to fond of basing reality on what other people (the religious fanatical types or scientists for that matter) tell me it is. But at least with most science it is measurable and can be recreated and to me that means something.
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"I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time." (Isaac Asimov)
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sHuoReNviOLiN
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Posted on: Dec. 31 2001,17:57 |
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A kinda tangent...maybe once upon a time, Zeus and Mount Olympus -did- exist, and came down and interfered with our lives, because people believed they would. And once they were conquered, and they stopped believing, then *poof* there goes Mount Olympus. Same with God and however many prophets/messiahs/whatevers he might have had...once we stopped believing that they'd come and make miracles, they stopped doing so. Heck, maybe bowling balls actually did fall faster than pennies until Galileo came around and convinced everyone otherwise...
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Wolfen
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Posted on: Dec. 31 2001,20:44 |
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Don't get me wrong; I believe in the laws of physics... in this reality. I think that the rate of Gravity is the same on all falling objects (in a vacuume, etc...). But these are things that are simple to test.
What is not so simple to test is the ability to read minds. Sure, a scientist might say, "Okay, what am I thinking now?"...(this is a sloppy and inconclusive test). Then you have to ask what part of the mind are we reading... conscious, subconscious, alpha waves...? Can that scientist lock in his mind so well that he knows what he is transmitting at that moment. Then there is the question of how well in control of his/her ability is the subject? Do they know how to control it, or does it just "keep sort of happening, but too frequently to be assigned to coincidence".
Ah, there is the rub... to find a test subject who is in control enough for a scientist to even define the parameters of the test, much less test for conclusive evidence.
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So, what brought on this rant, you might ask...
Frustration!
I have been accidentally reading minds since I was 7 years old and am getting tired of it! I want to control it, but am finding it very hard to find anyone who can give any reputable advice. Plus, I keep trying to convince myself that it is all my imagination (all in my head, he he). I guess I want someone to come along and say, "here try this, if it doesn't work then it is all your imagination, and you can stop stressing over it." Wouldn't that be cool?
Meanwhile, on a daily basis, I hear from nearly every one I talk to, "Hey! I was just about to say that...", or, "Get out of my head, I was just thinking that..."... and to keep my sanity, I keep telling myself that it is all just because I am perceptive and can jump to logical conclusions about what people might be thinking... I'm just very exact when I do it.
Wolfen
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Dark Knight Bob
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Posted on: Dec. 31 2001,21:40 |
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well science is by definition the explanation of all things measurable. reading minds will no doubt eventually be proven by science. but things that exist outside of science are probably things that are beyond our contemplation seing as we live in a world where science exists... an interesting paradox
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Wolfen
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Posted on: Dec. 31 2001,22:44 |
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| Quote | | but things that exist outside of science are probably things that are beyond our contemplation... |
To contemplate something is not to know it... you can contemplate the existance of God, but science cannot prove it. If we were limited to comtemplate only what science has taught, then we would have never figured out the world was round... it was round before science came along. I'm sure someone contemplated a round world before science proved it to be true.
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Dark Knight Bob
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Posted on: Jan. 01 2002,00:45 |
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but to prove such things exist in this existance would require some form of science. to imagine such things isnt impossible but to actually experience them may be.
EDIT: [pirates_of_penzance]#a paradox a paradox hahahahahaha a most ingenious paradox!#[pirates_of_penzance]
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Posting at DetNet Paul is like making love to a beautiful woman.. you start off slow getting more frequent then you work your fingers hit the magic button and watch as your opinion explodes for all to see. and you can always watch pr0n if you get a bit restless.
- the immortal words of swiss tony
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damien_s_lucifer
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Posted on: Jan. 01 2002,01:31 |
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I was about to engage my trusty Net::Flamethrower and burn off all of your false conclusions about Science, but I realized something more interesting and helpful than a rant :
Any scientist with a decent understanding of neurobiology will tell you that you can read minds. All human beings can, with a few exceptions.
This sort mind reading is more properly called "empathy." It's not "mind reading" in the classic supernatural sense - it doesn't allow you to look at someone and know exactly what they're thinking - but it does a pretty good job.
To see it at work, just look at this smiley :
Notice how looking at him gives you a little burst of happiness? That's empathy at work! Your prefrontal lobes analyzed the sensory data you got from the image, decided that the face was a happy one, and reported its decision by making your emotions mimic what they happy face is feeling.
There's a lot more information to deal with when dealing with a human being, but the principle is the same - empathy takes whatever sense information you have at the moment, makes a quick sketch of the emotional content of that data, and then reports it by making you feel that way for a second - which is why angry people make you angry, sad people make you sad, and happy people make you happy!
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Wolfen, I know what you're talking about when you say you're trying to shut the others out of your mind. That's one of the big reasons I started taking Paxil. I wanted to have some control over my own feelings and reactions!
Lots of people will give you lots of different advice, but here are the two treatments that have a ton of evidence to back them up :
- cognitive behavioral therapy, which teaches and reinforces basic mental discipline. The fundamental theory is that a lot of your reactions to people, places, and things are learned behaviors, and that by thinking critically about your responses you can reprogram them. In practice, a cognitive-behavioral therapist will teach you the fundamentals of rhetoric and debate, help you identify your automatic thoughts, and suggest better ways you could deal with the same situation. With time and practice, these newer, better ways of responding become automatic, and instead of thinking "fucking prick! I hate his guts!" when someone gets angry at you, you start thinking "ah, that person is angry. Calm yourself, grasshopper!"
- Prozac or other antidepressants. Empathy is part of the dopamine system, which is moderated by serotonin-based neurons. In my own experience, SSRI's like Prozac not only turn down the noise inside my head, they also clean up the signal a lot.
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Wolfen
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Posted on: Jan. 01 2002,02:22 |
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ooooh, Jon... that MUST be you... everything is fixed with Paxil...
well, you mis-understand why I am frustrated. It is not that I think someone is angry with me... it is that people keep getting surprised by what I say (and a little scared), because they are thinking the exact same thing... example:
Last night I'm reading a novel (really boring so I won't tell you what it was), but I start hearing 'Sunday Morning' by No Doubt in my head. I think, "that's strange, I must be really bored with this book." So I turn to my wife to start talking and I notice that there is a full-page article on Gwen Stephani open in the magazine she is reading... I ask her, "What song is going through your head right now?"
She says, "Nothing at all...", but she is looking at me kind of wierd.
So I say, "Well 'Sunday Morning is going through my head, and I just looked over and saw that article and was wondering if you had started playing it in your head."
She hesitates, "I was thinking about that song... I just lied to you because you are starting to scare me."
She then tell me that her mind is her private property and I am not to intrude anymore... problem is, I don't know how to control it. I keep doing it.
Although Paxil would probably make it so that I don't care as much, the problem still exists.
Wolfen.
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Vigilante
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Posted on: Jan. 01 2002,04:43 |
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I suggest you speak to a representative of the CIA. Though they will undoubtedly seem unimpressed at first, expect to be abducted from your sleep at an undisclosed date in the future. From there you will be subjected to rigorous testing and training as a super-spy whose existence will be categorically denied.
Good luck, Psi-Agent 31337.
(PS: If you're starting to hear No Doubt in your head, I can definitely sympathize. I hope you find a solution before Gwen's twittering worsens.)
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He says turn the other cheek, but that seems kind of weak
I just want to beat up, beat up the meek
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