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Now I can understand the need to retaliate and to show the world we the U.S is not a bunch of pussies but since when is it ok to beat the shit of people rallying for peace? It is not as if these people are saying, “we love osama Bin ladin come over here” they just hate the concept of war. It is the right of any American to protest if they so choose, I have seen way to many so called “patriots” get in the faces of so called “peace advocates” if you were truly a patriot wouldn’t you see that every one was the right to speak their mind that is a basic American right and one of principals our nation was founded on. The other thing that is pissing me off is all the people who feel it’s ok to attack or harass American Muslims or people who look middle-eastern. A man from India a Seik was shot and killed two weeks ago because he looked middle-eastern this is just unacceptable. I know some American-Arabs who are afraid of what might happen to them if they leave the safety of there homes and go to class and I can’t say I blame them. G.W has done a good job of pointing out that we are not at war with Islam but rather with terrorists and those who harbor them but the ignorance of the general American is just astounding.

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Two things. First, fix your sig. Either correct the spelling of peasant or change it to pleasant.

Secondly, my only problem with a lot of the peace demonstrators is that they don't really present a solution. They just say "we want peace." As I understand it, they just simply want "no war" without providing a viable path to get there.

There was a peace rally recently here where one man with a bullhorn walked behind them presenting his side of the argument. The peace rally participators got violent with him and started shoving and attacking him until the campus police stepped in.

A daily dose of irony is good for the soul.

edit: I'm reminded of an X-Files episode where Mulder requests "peace on Earth" from a Genia. The result? No people.

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Sorry about the sig I didn't even notice. There are stupid people in every group the point I am making is that people have a right to protest the war if they want to and I have seen more people get in the faces of these people then vice versa it may be deferent where you are but I haven’t seen that here.

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One guy in my office who is Palestinian bought a poncho and made himself a nametag that says "Juan Garcia"

And the biggest problem with the peace demonstrators is that they become violent. Yeah, they have every right to protest and say what they want - but they seem to forget that everyone else has that right too!

Personally, I don't like war, but sometimes it's necessary. I'm glad our military has finally figured out how to win wars and at the same time win public opinion by taking the moral high ground. They learned from Vietnam, even if no one else has... things like "kill the bad guys while helping the civilians as much as possible."

Of course, both the doves and the hawks are going to disagree with that, for one reason or another, but it sounds like a DAMN good plan to me.

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PostIcon Posted on: Oct. 08 2001,00:14 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

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I think we should leave the middle-east maybe they would leave us alone then. This may seem a little to simplistic but really what do we care what the afghan’s and Iranians think.

That's a strange attitude. Do you know why there's civil unrest in the middle-east? Because the extremist Muslims there believe that they deserve to live in Israel, and would love to kill off all Jews that are there... and anywhere else if they could.

What happens if we leave, stop our diplomacy, in addition stop representing our interests in settling the unrest? It goes to hell in a handbasket. We are one of the biggest obstacles to crushing those Damn Jews (TM). If we leave, the crazy Muslims (as opposed to the sane ones) will finally be able to reclaim their friggin 50 acres of holy land and live in paradise, or some shit. That's why they want to terrorize us, and threaten us to leave the area. We're not bullying, we're the teacher holding the two kids by the shirts and dragging their asses to the principles office.

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I think we should take out these terrorists but the thought of killing lots of people doesn't really appeal to me, I think we should leave the middle-east maybe they would leave us alone then. This may seem a little to simplistic but really what do we care what the afghan’s and Iranians think. They will call us cowards but we would give them what they want and they would most likely leave us alone.

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Hm peace eh? I say the boys in black should nab Osama, give him a sex-change operation, and plop him ... well, her, back in the middle of Taliban land and see how things go from there!
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Yeah... let the Taliban eat our missiles. Not that our government is 100\% perfect, but those guys completely sux0r and have for many years. And it's not like we're taking out a government that's been duly elected by the people, or anything...

my biggest hope is that after we blow the Taliban and bin Laden's asses into the next universe, we stick around and help Afghanistan get a working democratic government.

It's all a bit imperialistic, but the alternative is far worse - more civil unrest in the Middle East, which sucks for the entire world.

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And who was living in the area we now call Israel 80 years ago? Arabs. I think Israel has a right to exist but the Israelis didn’t have the right to kick them out being that they had lived there over 500 years in succession. Yes the area known as Israel was the ancient homeland of the Jewish people but forcing people to move out of an area they have inhabited for generations is wrong just as the original Diaspora of the Jews was. Israel has a lot of blood on its hands as do we and the Palestinians, but our unquestioning and relentless support of a state that is based on religion doesn’t really fit with our so-called world view. I am not suggesting we let the Arabs have Israel and allow them to murder the 4 million Jews there I am suggesting we be somewhat moderate on our views. I was only joking before when I suggested we leave the Middle East all together.

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Joking aside, there's nothing I'd like more to do than to nuke the fuck out of the "Holy Land" and make it more ocean. I'd give the people there a month warning and funds to buy new homes elsewhere, maybe even in America. But, in the end, they're fighting over something that you could cover with your fingernail on a globe. Fucking-A! If an outside force keeps you from your "Holy-fucking-Land", then GOD can't be mad at you for not living in it. He's not even pissed now about it, I'm sure. It's just some place that he happened to do some miracle shit. Let some people who don't care about that land demolish it and get on with your lives.

It bothers me that people would devote their life, the only one they get, to destroying something because of what some fucking book said. So what if Jews are the bastard son of Mohammed, or whatever the fucking book says. I don't care. Books shouldn't inspire people to kill. BOOOOOOOKKK!!! A bunch of words written down on parchment!!!! How important is that!!?!!??!!??!

Sorry. If got wanted to speak words to me, he would have made mountains the shape of things I need to hear. He doesn't use the technology of people around year 0AD. This is a general religion arguement, but really this is what it's all about. Muslims hate Jews because it's proscribed in the Koran. Fuck that book. No book of an ever-loving god would pit two peoples against each other.

It's fucking stupid and I feel like I'm the only one that realizes it. Religion is a man-made fabrication of his understanding of the universe at the time. If a real god wanted to pit peoples against each other, he would have been a hell of a lot more sinister about it. From the teachings of religions, the idea of putting two religions in the ring against each other is more the work of a Satan. How do you fucks know that it wasn't him that wrote the Koran to make each other hate. Arrrrggggghhhhh!!!!

I am a person who wants peace more than anybody else. It irritates me to no end that people fight for the stupidest of reasons. Fuck holy lands, fuck God, fuck Jihads, fuck all of it. It's not like we're living in a world of shortage. We can all live like kings if we get along. It's the fuckers who bang their bibles to prove a twisted point that ruin it for us.

I'm done. Going to pass out now before I embarress myself further. It all just gets to me, given the astrological significance of it all. Sorry.

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