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The government can't do anything right... and the free market does everything perfectly...

yeah right. I lost power this morning thanks to the California Energy Crisis which would have NEVER HAPPENED if the energy market hadn't been deregulated. The power companies always made enough $$$ to turn a profit and we always had electricity.

A couple years ago the Republicans had the bright idea to deregulate the California power grid. When deregulation went into effect, the power companies were forced to sell some of their power plants to encourage competetion. Now the price of electricity is now 10x what it was a couple years ago, because the fast-buck companies that bought the power plants are jerking PG&E around and selling California's electricity to other states so they can make even MORE profits. And the PUC can't do a fucking thing about it.

So the consumer, who was supposed to "benefit" from free competition, is paying thru the nose for something that they aren't even sure they'll have from one minute to the next.

Republicans are fucking morons.

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Not to mention how tough it is to do anything in California without stepping on a spotted owl. Man, those environmental regulations that the Republicans put into effect make it damn near impossible to build a new power plant, harvest a new energy source, or pollute in the name of prosperity.

Wait... that was the republicans, right?

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more powerplants was not the problem, its who is in control of them...and while sometimes competition fosters lower prices and better service, the opposite is just as likely...
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Oooooooooooo my god you make me laugh.

I can't believe you are blaming Republicans for something the power company is doing to you.

Jesus age christ.

Go move to a communist company if you want the government to regulate and control every aspect of your life and business.

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yah seriously it's not republicans its the dumbass hippies. they want people to conserve power and to do so they prevent new desperatly needed power plants from being built. damn hippies grr! I hope they build a nuclear power plant (cleanest and most efficient) that way by the time i graduate i can work there in california. i doubt it though. hippies are retards and think nuclear is dangerous and bad for the enviroment, more so then coal or oil (which is bs obviously)
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Originally posted by jim:
Go move to a communist company if you want the government to regulate and control every aspect of your life and business.

Ever notice how every time you suggest that the government might do something better than private industry, conservatives call you a "communist" or something similar?

THE COLD WAR IS OVER, YOU MORONS!!!

Seriously. Just because I think that the Mystical Magical Market doesn't always do everything perfectly, and it's BETTER to have public control of some industries, doesn't make me a fucking Communist.

You calling me one does, however, show how fucking dogmatic Republicans are. As the bumper sticker says,

Vote Republican! It's easier than thinking.

Anyway, the problem is NOT a lack of power plants. The problem is that PG&E and Southern California Edison were forced- by REPUBLICAN LEGISLATION, mind you- to sell off their power plants to other companies to foster "competition." These companies are now selling the power back to PG&E and SoCal Edison at ridiculously inflated prices (about Ũ.30/kWh). The deregulations laws PROHIBIT PG&E / SoCal Edison from increasing their prices, so they have to sell power to us at about 1/3 of their cost. Because of that, they're going bankrupt, and because they're going bankrupt, the new fast-buck power companies are refusing to sell electricity to them, and are instead selling it to other states.

My state is not getting fucked by the two big power companies. We're getting fucked by the fast-buck greedheads that run the power plants. And all because Republicans are so fucking moronic that they think "THE MARKET" is the magical solution to everything, and anyone who disagrees with them is a communist who wants Big Brother looking over their shoulder, 'cause Lord knows you can't have some regulation, it's all-or-nothing and thinking otherwise is un-American blah blah blah.

In all honesty, I sincerly wish you would all fuck off and die. Let the intelligent people run things around here.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 18 2001,02:42 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

your state is getting fucked because it's california, the one true bastion of bed-wetting bunny-hugging tree-fucking hippies.

they deregulated the fuck out of power in pennsylvania. choose your supplier, lower rates, the whole deal. except that we don't have so many DEMOCRAT enacted environmental restrictions that nobody can produce affordable electricity.

you can cry yourself all the rivers you want about how much the republicans have fucked up your life, but remember this. the democrats are the ones who have made it illegal to put up nuclear power plants, hydroelectric dams, burn fossil fuel, cut down trees, and they grab land millions of acres at a time to set it aside and "protect" it from the citizens who should rightfully be allowed to use it.

regulated, deregulated, it doesn't matter. if it costs a billion dollars to produce electricity because of all the enviornmental hoops the company has to jump through to do it, guess what? you're gonna suffer from a POWER SHORTAGE.

and as far as saying 'Vote Republican! It's easier than thinking.' how the hell is that any different from the other side calling you a communist?

don't bash someone for slinging insults at the same time YOU sling insults. it only serves to make you look like a giant fucking hypocrite.

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quote:
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your state is getting fucked because it's california, the one true bastion of bed-wetting bunny-hugging tree-fucking hippies.

Now thats not nice. Its bed-wetting, tree-hugging bunny-fucking hippy freaks. you had it sdrawkcab.

Lets see what gov does for our power needs. Can't build any more nuke plants because there might be an accident and there is no place to put the waste. They cut the funding into the Fusion research so no free/clean/safe power from seawater. They let companys sit on tech that would save power/gas/oil so they can make more money (oil companys have more patents for electric cars than the car companys).
im guessing my point is its not a party of goverment but the entire thing that causes problems.

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my apologies wolf, but it's been a damn long night.

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kuru is right on about the deregulation stuff. although nuclear is by far not illegal, i don't know where you got that from. the problem is that new nuke plants are so expensive no one wants to build one. fusion research is still going on (mainly in switzerland) but the tech isn't going to be feasible for several more decades (and they dont use seawater they use dueterium/tritum). and there is a place to put nuclear waste-it's called yucca moutain. although the hippies are trying to prevent it from being completed. my gripe with hippies is that they contradict themselves. they say they want clean power that doesn't pollute, but then they bash nuclear power and say that it's unsafe. grr
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