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whtdrgn_2 
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Posted on: Dec. 19 2000,15:00 |
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Well even though I consider myself a Republican (lets not start a flame war), I don't like Bush. If you want the truth I am tired of the two party system. We need to create a party called Americans, and run as just that. That is what we are, Americans. Put plitics asaid and take care of what is really wrong. National debt, shitty schools, and of course our constant belief that we need to poice the world.
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Jynx
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Heh, this has the potential to be a really good thread.  quote:
Originally spewed by demonk:
I hate how the Republicans are walking around now with their chests puffed out acting like they own (or rule) the world.
This isn't a uniquely "Republican" trait. Believe me when I say that if Gore would've won his little legal tantrum, the Dems would be doing the exact same thing. quote:
Originally blathered by demonk:
BUSH WAS NOT F**KING ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE!!!!! He was handed the Presidence by a partisan Supreme Court!
No, he won the election by winning a majority of votes cast by representatives that were chosen by The People. Ya know, that whole "Electoral College" thing. Yes, Gore won the popular vote, but your beef should actually be with the Electoral College system, and not with the Republicans. quote:
Originally belched by demonk:
If you make one wrong move while in office Bush, I swear I will be right in your face and let you know how you don't belong here and should be taken out back and severaly whipped for all the s**t you have pulled on the people of this country.
Oh please. This kind of whining makes me SICK. For crying out loud, he DOES belong there because he won the Electoral votes. Grow up. I am just sick and TIRED of this Democratic whining about how Gore "should have" gotten the election. No, he shouldn't! He lost the UNOFFICIAL AP poll by a few hundred, and then he lost the OFFICIAL FLORIDA COUNT. When he didn't like it, he sued. Does that seem like something a normal, mature, grown-up would do? NO! People have been whining about the ballots. The ballots are irrelevant, because BOTH REPS AND DEMS SIGNED OFF ON THEM BEFORE THEY WERE USED. You can't retract that approval afterwards because your party didn't get enough votes, it just doesn't work like that. People have been whining about certain ballots, namely those with two punches or invalid punches, not being counted. Well, of course they aren't! They are invalid, and therefore no assumption can be made about the true wish of the voter! You CANNOT interpret an ambiguous ballot at all, period. I came across this the other day, it was rather fitting:
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"Maybe you can help me. I bought a lottery ticket yesterday and had a little problem. It was just so confusing while I was filling it out that I inadvertently selected the wrong numbers. I meant to pick the numbers that won, but had such a hard time reading the ticket that I selected the other numbers. I believe that I should be entitled to another chance at filling out my ticket now that I know I would win if I had actually chosen the numbers I thought I was picking. Should I contact my state lottery board? Maybe I could get Jesse Jackson to crusade against the injustices of the current lottery system..."
Bottom line--STOP WHINING. There is no "should"--if Gore "should have" been president, then he WOULD HAVE. The fact is that when he didn't get the results he wanted, he threw a fit and tried desperately to change reality into what he thought it should look like, and that just doesn't work. <EDIT--masking out the potty-mouth  >
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--Jynx We do not make software "releases" -- our software escapes, leaving a bloody trail of desginers and quality assurance people in it's wake... This message has been edited by Jynx on December 19, 2000 at 11:18 AM
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whtdrgn_2
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Posted on: Dec. 19 2000,16:39 |
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Right on Bush is president elect, now lets get back to work.
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Jynx
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quote:
Unoriginally belched out by Sithiee:
...bush won because of the supreme court.
Actually, you're wrong. Bush won because of the votes cast, and Gore's lawyers failed to get the recount going again because of the Supreme Court. quote:
Unoriginally spewed forth by Sithiee:
the supreme court decided that basically, it was unfair for florida to accept handcounts because the system of grading the ballots was not uniform.
What's wrong with that? I guarantee that if the situation were reversed, you would be applauding their decision.
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Unoriginally belched out by Sithiee:
gore did win, bush knows gore rightfully won, and any nonpartisan would realize that the votes were there.
Um, no he didn't, and no they aren't. quote:
Originally noted by Sithiee:
the electoral college is in place so that politicians dont forget about the smaller states, but it was still supposed to be an accurate representation of the peoples choice. the fact that it has failed 4 times to accurately represent the people tells me that theres something wrong with it.
So then complain about the voting system and stop blaming Republicans for it. quote:
Unoriginally belched out by Sithiee:
...and based on the info we have, i think gore did win.
And what info is that? "I wanted Gore to win, so he should win." Hmm. I mean, if you have some concrete evidance that shows that Gore actually won the Florida popular vote then I'll listen to this statement. Until then, you are trying to force your wishes into reality, and it doesn't work like that. quote:
Hiccuped by Sithiee:
however, i dont really want to say either way what the people want...
Um, isn't that exactly what you're doing? You are telling me what the people of Florida actually wanted to do, even though they did something different. Oops. quote:
Confusingly burbled by Sithiee:
bush saw that he could win on a technicality...
Yeah. "Well, since technically a simple majority of the Florida votes were for me, I won Florida." Rather important technicality, don't ya think? Now, let's have fun with the Republicans Sithee named: quote:
Noted by Sithiee:
the woman who certified floridas votes was bush's campaign manager...
So? All she did was cerify the votes, she didn't count them. That means that she ensured that the people who did the actual counting, and the machines that do the actual counting, were employed by Florida and hired for this express purpose. Her party affiliation doesn't change the number of votes, and if you have evidance that she did change that number then she should go to jail for fraud. quote:
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Scalia's(supreme court justice) two sons are lawyers who work for bush...
So? For all you know, Scalia HATES his sons, and would love nothing better than to see them crash and burn. Family ties are totally irrelevant. quote:
Noted by Sithiee:
Thomas'(another justice) wife collects applications for people who want to work in bush's administration
SO WHAT. How does this relate to anything? Who says that Thomas cares what his wife is doing with her time? Once again, the connection is irrelevant. quote:
Blathered by Sithiee:
normally, people who have a personal stake in such matters are supposed to revuse themselves, because they are not impartial, but of course if either scalia or thomas had, then bush would have lost. thats what you call a representation of the people?
No, it's what I call a judicial decision on a case that sued to continue recounts of votes in Florida. The representation of the people was that certified vote that Gore was trying so hard to overturn. For crying out loud, folks! Whtdrgn said it best--Bush is president-elect, now let's get to work. --J
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Sithiee
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im saying, that i cant say for sure what the people of florida meant to do, but based on all the information we have (including demographics) that the people of florida meant to put gore in office. unless of course you think that jewish ww2 veterans want to put buchanan in office. and if you do, you really are foolish. again, the margin of victory under which bush won florida is so small, that it is within the uncertainty of the vote. this means that you cant say for sure who won, because of errors in the voting process. usually, a hand count will reveal more accurately the intent of the voter (i.e. if someone wrote on their ballot with a pen "i want to vote for gore, not buchanan" you cant say the intent is unclear). but, bush, realizing this would likely cause him to lose, attempted to make sure this didnt happen. because the supreme court was weighted in his favor, he won.Katherine Harris i believe is the name of the secratary of state, and it was her decision when to certify the votes, and whether or not to wait for the hand recounts to finish. naturally, she did not want to wait. Youre right, maybe theres an off chance that Scalia hates both his sons, but not likely...bout as likely as those jewish ww2 veterans voting for buchanan. Wait wait wait, so youre saying that you think Thomas wants his wife to be unemployed? think that one over a bit. Jim, do i deny being an ass? No. if its any consolation to those of you who hate bush, statistically, because he was elected in a year ending in a 0, theres likely to be an assassination attempt on Bush. lets just hope whoever does it, does it right. but watch out, he might run some more ads with subliminable messages....
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