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whiskey@throttle 
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Posted on: Sep. 28 2000,03:34 |
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The following may anger you. But please, don't think of me as a xenophobist hate-mongrel. I'm just ranting the extreme for the sake of debate. With that said... You what's starting to bug me? People that don't speak a lick of English, yet have permanent residence in this country. Okay, I realize that this country is a conglomerate mass of several types of immigrants. Heck, my ancestors were immigrants. But it still chaps my hide, especially the citizens that can barely speak English. Furthermore, some of these people have no intention of learning English. They live in ethnic communities, read foriegn newspapers, watch international tv, etc... quote:
The Naturalization Act of 1906:
"He [the applicant for naturalization] shall, before he is admitted to citizenship, declare on oath in open court...that he will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and bear true faith and allegiance to the same." U.S.C., Tit. 8, § 381.
But have you seen the naturalization ceremonies? I saw one on TV that looked like a cattle call. Maybe there's more than meets the eye...but from what I saw, it appeared that several of those folks could easily have learned the oath and nothing more. Perhaps someone can enlighten me on the specifics of becoming a US resident or citizen...because it seems to me that the process is pretty incomprehensive. Here's whats bugging me:
- Voting. Last time I checked out my ballot and voting pamphlet, it was printed in more than one language. Why? Do we really trust a person with a vote who can't even phone in a fucking pizza order? Can they possibly be completely informed of all the issues pertaining to a candidate? Sure, I know what you're thinking - a lot of English speaking natives don't know dick about the candidates, either. Well, there's no reason to make the problem worse, now is there? And I highly doubt those foriegn TV channels do politics any justice.
- 911. Let's say there's an emergency, and the only person around is my neighbor's grandmother. Every time I talk to this old lady, I am met with grunts and snippets of foriegn garble, and I'm pretty sure she's a citizen. Are we to trust her with our lives?
- Social Security. Why are these people getting our tax dollars when they can't possibly make a sizable contribution to our society? (note I'm referring to the old ones, like grandma mentioned above)
What I really think we need is some updated legislation mandating that from now on,
- resident aliens need to work for at least 5 years before being eligible to collect social security.
- pass a standardized test on the basics of the Constitution
- actually be a citizen before having native children (no more of this coming on vacation, shitting out a kid that automatically becomes a US native, and moving in the whole family)
and of course
- pass a standardized test proving they have a good command of conversational English. (note this does not apply to reading or writing)
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Sithiee
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Posted on: Sep. 29 2000,00:00 |
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first off, id like to point out you dont even have to be a citizen to vote here. bush is sort of screwing himself because of all these anti-illegal immigrant laws and shit he wants to pass, because all the illegal immigrants can register to vote against him.dont get me wrong though, i completely agree with you. i go to a school where im a minority, and there are more hispanics than whites, and no one gives a fuck if they learn the language. and then, not only will they not learn the language, but theyll go on about how bolivia or el salvador or some country is so great. IF ITS SO FUCKING GREAT, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HERE????? personally, i think we should all take patriotism tests to keep our citizenship (taking age into account, 4 y/os shouldnt have to love their country, they dont know enough to do so) because if you dont love this country, then you shouldnt be here. people who immigrate, and then talk about how their country is better really make me mad. its not like we asked em to come here. i feel dumb at my school, because i dont understand half the conversations that go on (well, i know a little spanish, but not enough to understand it at those speeds). but if youre gonna come here, you should learn our language. all this shit about bilingual teaching is just gonna make it easier for people to get away with it. the thing that pisses me off the most, is i have a better chance of getting my order right if i ask my spanish friend to order it in spanish, because most of the mcdonalds/kfc/wendy's workers speak spanish better than english.... anyway, i guess thats something thats been bugging me for a while...
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jrh1406
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Posted on: Sep. 29 2000,01:02 |
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I'm probably going to get flamed up the ass for this, but maybe if you want to speak with people who don't speak english you should learn their language. The US doesn't have an official language so it's just as much of a hassle for you to learn their language as it is for them to learn yours, probably easier for you to learn theirs since english is something like the second hardest language to learn.
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demonk
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Posted on: Sep. 29 2000,01:52 |
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That would be the ideal thing to do. But think about 50 years from now. Right now, the largest immigrant population is latino, so learning spanish would help in communicating with them. But what happens when this shifts to say, Chinese? Will we have to all learn Chinese, Spanish, and English in school so that we can communicate with each other? If we had one or two offical languages, that would be fine since then you would be able to communicate with everyone. But when the largest immigrent demographic continually shifts, it becomes harder and harder to communicate with everyone unless there is one or two common languages between everyone. That is my Ũ.02.
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