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Wiley 
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,19:05 |
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I know this doesn't cover everybodies opinion ...just wanted a straw poll about the Pregnancy out of Wedlock question ...as well I thought I'd throw in a bit of the Absolute Morals question.
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Wolfguard
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,19:16 |
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its an ethics question not a morals question.
Is it moraly wrong for a woman that was raped to have a baby out of wedlock? no
is it moraly wrong to have an unplaned child out of wedlock? Yes
Since these are both to a woman that is not married how can the answer be different?
because your discussing ethics...
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i never got a chance to vote since it told me i already voted.
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,19:18 |
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One of IB's eternal mysteries!
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,19:28 |
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bah too many choices.
woldguard, you are right but for the wrong reason. the answers are different, not because they are ethics (same definition as morals), but because the question is flawed.
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,19:47 |
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As long as the person who chooses to have and raise the resulting kid does so in a responsible and sane manner, providing the loving, disciplined, stable enviornment a kid needs to grow up healthy, who the fuck am I to say whether marriage is required to make it moral?
What matters is how a kid is RAISED. Not why that kid's mother chose to continue the pregnancy or how she got pregnant to begin with.
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Wolfguard
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,19:57 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 05 June 2002,14:28) | bah too many choices.
woldguard, you are right but for the wrong reason. the answers are different, not because they are ethics (same definition as morals), but because the question is flawed. |
ethics...
1 plural but singular or plural in construction : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation
2 a : a set of moral principles or values b : a theory or system of moral values <the present-day materialistic ethic> c plural but singular or plural in construction : the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group <professional ethics> d : a guiding philosophy \
morals
1 a : the moral significance or practical lesson (as of a story) b : a passage pointing out usually in conclusion the lesson to be drawn from a story
2 plural a : moral practices or teachings : modes of conduct
You see that ethics are a grouping of morals.
The questions i used as an example are moraly opposed so you are forced to think ethicly.
<im hoping im not going to regret this>
If a woman is pregnant and the birth is going to kill both the mother and the child is it ok for her to have an abortion?
If she gives birth they are both dead.
If she has the abortion she will live and have a chance to continue to cotribute to the world.
Your moral stand point says that abortion is wrong.
but ethicly you know its also wrong to let them both die.
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Wiley
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 05 June 2002,11:28) | | woldguard, you are right but for the wrong reason. the answers are different, not because they are ethics (same definition as morals), but because the question is flawed. |
Is it moraly wrong for a woman that was raped to have a baby out of wedlock? no
is it moraly wrong to have an unplaned child out of wedlock? Yes
Where is the flaw in either of these two questions? Isn't it Absolutly Immoral ...if so then how can different circumstances change your answers? It's like a violation of the entire concept of absolute. Have you ever heard of variables? Do they still teach that stuff in l33t physics?
Example:
I say that sky-blue is absolutley the correct color to use when painting a picture of the sky. Everybody agrees that the sky is blue ...and this color was made with the sky as a model so my statment is 100% true.
What if you're painting a picture of sunset? Or night?
You question is flawed. You have no argument. sky-blue is the color of the sky ...ask anybody.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,22:12 |
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I didn't mean wolf's questions, I was talking about wiley's original question. but yeah wolf i agree with you.
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moral: 1 a : of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ETHICAL <moral judgments>
ethical: involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,22:26 |
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| Quote | | who the fuck am I to say whether marriage is required to make it moral? |
A person with a college education, who should be able to make judgements about life? Maybe I'm wrong...
| Quote | | What matters is how a kid is RAISED. Not why that kid's mother chose to continue the pregnancy or how she got pregnant to begin with. |
Studies show that kids who are born under parents who are married and stay married do much much better in life then kids from single-parent families.
I am NOT saying that proof makes it immoral, I am saying it IS immoral, and here is proof.
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Posted on: Jun. 06 2002,00:14 |
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Figures, the one time I CAN vote, I don't want to...
I can't say yes or no on this topic, because there are always exceptions. It would depend on the circumstance, or from who's point of view. (the woman, the community, etc.) If I made a blanket statement, someone would point out an exception, and turn up the flamethrower to "extra tasty crispy."
"Life is an excersise of exceptions."
-Cmndr. William Riker, Star Trek TNG
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