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damien_s_lucifer 
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Posted on: May 24 2002,03:45 |
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Let me contribute to the wonderful fabric of the State of the US:
an easy one:
The 'War on drugs':
Politicians, Drugs are bad, mmkay, they should be tested for lethality on animals, and properly experimented with, and then banned/regulated.
If people want to kill theirselves by OD, fine, Go ahead, it's the american dream, really...
...but if you fuck yourself up, don't come to the government, asking for help. They aren't going to give you a cent.
The whole reason drugs are so widespread is because "you can't have them". basic sociology/psychology. Did you ever want (or want to do something) just because you were not allowed?
Of course you did. Scientists did an experiment on third graders, where they limited one type of crackers from another, and told the kids tht they could have as much of one as they wanted, but only a few of the other.
The kids ate more of the limited one, another day, they ate equal amounts, when they could have as much as they wanted.
another experiment: Legalization does not increase usage. In the Netherlands, usage for 18-22 is 18%, US has 33%. (issue 178, British Journal of Psychiatry)
Alcohol is more deadly than Marijuana, proven fact.
We tax alcohol, why not tax marijuana? 33% of the population, at 5 cents of a dollar, is quite a lot. We could level off, and possibly even pay back the National debt.
food for thought, eh?
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veistran
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Posted on: May 24 2002,08:46 |
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The war on drugs, less chance of being "won" than Korea + Vietnam combined into one war. That's the only thing I can think to say about it. It's a money pit, a good example of government existing solely to justify it's existence.
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Wolfguard
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Posted on: May 24 2002,14:30 |
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I dont know.
If they treated it like a real war they could do a lot of damage.
One good thing is you treat it like a real war then selling drugs becomes treason and you get to shoot the bastards in the back of the neck.
but thats just me.
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Wiley
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Posted on: May 24 2002,17:03 |
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| Quote | | Alcohol is more deadly than Marijuana, proven fact |
Yes, but it's more easily regulated thanks to the billions that have already been spent developing taxation, laws of use and the development of the ATF to enforce them. The problem with legalizing Maijuana now is that we would have to spend billions more to develop a taxation system, who can grow it, who can distribute it, what the government is and is not responsible for and who will enforce these laws. I can't really see a legalize pot at the cost of taxpayers bill ever passing. Especially since the current public opinion of the tabacco companies is so low. Essecially, the companies that produce and market marijuana will be just like tabacco companies with a new brand of cigarette. The public isn't going to make it easy for them. Truth.com will have a new pitch about the cancer threats from marijuana and MADD will weigh in about the effects of driving stoned.
I would think that the usage would go down quite a bit though. Most of my stoner friends get more joy out of being damn hippy stoners then they do actually smoking the stuff. To a lot of them it's all about who's got the coolest bong, who smokes the most pot, who can score the kindest bud and who is going to buy the sweetest 21 window rag-top bus and convert it into the most bitchinest hot-box on wheels the world has ever seen. Not that there is anything wrong with that, to me it's kinda like being a Trekie ...you dress in the garb and learn to speak Klingon to bond with your peers ...I just think that smoking pot will not be as cool once it's legal and a lot of people will loose interst.
Until then I guess we have to live with our stupid War on Drugs wich is kinda lame. Yeah the police can start kicking in doors at college dorms and put Snoop Dogg on the 10 most wanted list but what's the point? They know there will be backlash agaist more strict enforcement of the laws and we know that they are at out mercy and so we just pretend we are fighting a war on drugs ...but actually nobody gives a rats ass. When was the last time the police raided your local concert venue? They don't, unless you blow a puff of smoke into the face of a police officer they will look the other way when you spark up at a musical event ..even though they know your doing it ...in plain veiw! So how is this a war? If we were at war and I was at a concert with an AK-47 then I'd surely be carted off to jail.
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Necromancer
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Posted on: May 24 2002,17:43 |
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| Quote (Wiley @ 24 May 2002,17:03) | | Quote | | Alcohol is more deadly than Marijuana, proven fact |
Yes, but it's more easily regulated thanks to the billions that have already been spent developing taxation, laws of use and the development of the ATF to enforce them. The problem with legalizing Maijuana now is that we would have to spend billions more to develop a taxation system, who can grow it, who can distribute it, what the government is and is not responsible for and who will enforce these laws. I can't really see a legalize pot at the cost of taxpayers bill ever passing. Especially since the current public opinion of the tabacco companies is so low. Essecially, the companies that produce and market marijuana will be just like tabacco companies with a new brand of cigarette. The public isn't going to make it easy for them. Truth.com will have a new pitch about the cancer threats from marijuana and MADD will weigh in about the effects of driving stoned. |
Finally someone who sees my poiunt of view based on a practical basis rather than a "ooh pot that stuff sounds scary i don't think we should legalise it i might be voodoo cursed" basis.
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veistran
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Posted on: May 24 2002,22:57 |
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| Quote (Wolfguard @ 24 May 2002,08:30) | I dont know.
If they treated it like a real war they could do a lot of damage.
One good thing is you treat it like a real war then selling drugs becomes treason and you get to shoot the bastards in the back of the neck.
but thats just me. |
It's hard to treat what is essentially a moral issue as an actual war.
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Bob_the_Cannibal
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Posted on: May 25 2002,00:41 |
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Here we go with that "legislating Morality" thing that CK and dys always flame each other about.
Now, if you think about it, alcohol was around before the FBI, ATF and the constitution.
The regulation rules for marijuana can be a simple substitution of Tobacco for marijuana in the tobacco laws, and a simple substitution of the 'home-made Alcohol' laws and regulations. Those who may sell must register with the government, and account for everything that they sell. same with professional growers.
second, pot has a lower impurity rate than the lowest tar content cigarettes.
third, taxes on alcohol costed nothing to create. They're legislators, for christ's sake, they're paid to make laws. the DMCA only cost the lobbyists the price to buy enough influential senators.
enforcement? we already pay cops to bust potheads and crack fiends. won't cost that much to change the tasking for the average cop, since the new legislation is a cookie cutter of alcohol and tobacco laws.
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Necromancer
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Posted on: May 25 2002,01:37 |
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wolfman they actually did that in china didn' they? they rounded up everyone who was a drug addict and shot them. bumped the average to zero over night. 
Hey it might not seem fair but everyones got to answer for their lifes choices at some point
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Wolfguard
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Posted on: May 25 2002,14:11 |
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| Quote (veistran @ 24 May 2002,17:57) | | It's hard to treat what is essentially a moral issue as an actual war. |
just like ww1, ww2, civil war...
You can say that for just about any war.
Would you like to try again?
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Wiley
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Posted on: May 25 2002,16:54 |
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How about this one:
It's hard to treat it like a war when everybody on the home team wants to party with the bad guy. 
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