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ic0n0 
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Posted on: Jun. 20 2002,17:26 |
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I do think that it is somewhat Cruel to execute people who do not understand what they are doing (lack reason), but then again if they do not understand what they did, are they redeemable anyway? What would be the point in keeping them around if they are not redeemable?
Edited by ic0n0 on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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Wolfguard
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Posted on: Jun. 20 2002,18:02 |
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 spare body parts?
Im guessing this is after they commited a crime?
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Wiley
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I once visited this institution where they strapped retarded children onto beds and stored them end-to-end in a dark hall. They would feed them a few times a day and that was about the only attention they got. Their families paid the place money to keep the kids kept there so they wouldn't have to deal with them. What's the point? They're not a functioning part of society and they never will be. It's sad to say it is ok to kill a human being but if you don't have the mental capacity to be "human" then why should we pay to keep you alive ...crime or no crime. This is were man tried to screw with evolution.
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wix
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Posted on: Jun. 20 2002,18:42 |
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The way that I like to think about it is in understanding the clause of the constitution's 8th amendment. These mentally retarded killers often not only don't know what it is that they have done but have the mentality of a child. So if we can extend the 8th amendment to a) those who are psycologically unstable or b) children, then it makes sense that the 8th amendment doesn't make this issue unconsitutional.
In Penry v Johnson (2001), the US Supreme Court overturned the death penalty for a retarded killer because they said that "Texas jurors who sentenced a retarded killer to death did not get clear instructions about how to weigh the defendant's mental abilities against the severity of his crime." While I haven't had a lot more time to read the opion on this matter I think it makes a lot of sense.
One can't simply say that it is unconstitutional across the board to execute those with mental disabilities. Because it seems logical if the crime was still gross enough. Therefore I think the court took the most logical action: those charged with the burdon of prosecution and conviction have a duty to weigh it into the punishment.
So my grounds on the issue is nice and wishy washy: It's both constitutional and not at the same time. Take it on a case by case nature.
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ic0n0
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Posted on: Jun. 20 2002,19:02 |
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Generally I do not favor the death penalty, unless it is for serial killer types people who are ruled by many mental health professionals to be criminally insane, in that case I am very much in favor of executing the mentally disturbed. But I am still glad where I live (Wisconsin) is a state that outlawed execution a long time ago.
Edited by ic0n0 on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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lykosis
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Posted on: Jun. 20 2002,20:54 |
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death...or life in a mental ward jacked up on drugs, tied to a bed, in a padded room, with noone to talk to.
which is cruel and unusual punishment?
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Posted on: Jun. 20 2002,21:53 |
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| Quote (Wiley @ 20 June 2002,18:33) | | I once visited this institution where they strapped retarded children onto beds and stored them end-to-end in a dark hall. They would feed them a few times a day and that was about the only attention they got. Their families paid the place money to keep the kids kept there so they wouldn't have to deal with them. What's the point? They're not a functioning part of society and they never will be. It's sad to say it is ok to kill a human being but if you don't have the mental capacity to be "human" then why should we pay to keep you alive ...crime or no crime. This is were man tried to screw with evolution. |
it's these institutions that usually push the patients to the point where they no longer show signs of humanity. The simple lack of any stimulation causes any hint of life to get destroyed. Most of the places won't change because they are making shit loads of money for doing nothing but feed the patients, and of course they've already assumed there's no hope for them all ready so have no moral problem with what they're doing. A lot of psychotic's are in fact perfectly noprmal people that have had a sudden breakdown in brain chemistry that can drive them to kill their own family. So what you might say. how can you blame something like that as an excuse for what they've done. well if someones brain chemistry was so screwed suddenly to the point where they had no awareness of where they were they would have no control over it. (how many times have you had nightmares where you've done things that you'd never consider doing in real life like kill someone you love mabye) killing them as retribution is a fucking medievil solution to all this. I think the main problems lie where these people are institutionaalised and how they are treated when they are there.mabye they can't be reintegrated back into society but they shouldnt be locked away from the world as if to brush them under the carpet because it's inconveinient for us to look upon them.
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and a quick important note. if there are people who are willing to try to help these people we should have the sense to give them the best information and research methods so that they can do their job as best they can. we shouldn't just go "well its your problem you deal with it"
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lykosis
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Posted on: Jun. 20 2002,22:23 |
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that's what i want to do when i finish school....again.
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Wiley
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Posted on: Jun. 20 2002,23:14 |
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lykosis, then you could free all the kids locked down at the Fairview Development Center in Huntington Beach, CA. It would be like that Dominos pizza commercial ...you're free cheesey bread ...your free ...go cheesey bread.
I guess you had to be there.
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