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PostIcon Posted on: Jul. 02 2001,13:08  Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
Maybe this should be a rant but i don't feel like making it one.
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2001/departments/2001_06_28/upfront_1.html

Zero Tolerance is going way to far. Ive Never been in favor of it, but now i hate it.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jul. 02 2001,13:19 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
yeah they are just getting paranoid. however that was a stoopid thing for him to say. one of my friends in high school, a month before graduating, got expelled for standing up in our computer class and saying "I...am a bomb!" as a joke, to get attention from the teacher who was ignoring his questions in class. sux.
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If they had thought that he was gonna shoot people in his school, would expelling not have been a bad thing. I mean, you don't throw petrol on a fire to put it out !!!
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you want to know how lucky i am
this was when i was in middle school before the whole columbine shit and all this talk on school violence, but i brought one of those plastic bb-gun toys you can buy, you know those cheap ass plastic guns with the little rubber bullets that wouldnt hurt a fly but still shoot good, and was running around outside shooting people and i got caught, when they brought me to the pricipals office they had my school weapon agrement policy or whatever they made me sign in the begining of the year out on the table and i thought i was so fucked but i only got like 3 days off in school suspension, btw in school suspension is so dumb
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PostIcon Posted on: Jul. 02 2001,14:20 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
thats pertty lame. ck is right, it was a stupid thing to say, but only cause it sounds stupid. it wasn't wrong to say that, he shouldn't have been jailed/expelled for it. thats america for you. land of the free.
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It's wrong to expel someone for something they did outside of school that had nothing to do with school, it wasn't even a threat it was a comment. This is where my problem is, yes he was a minor and as such has few rights but outside of school he would have more rights and would have the right to say that something like columbine hit lists are real and people can get on them but he never said he was going to put anyone on one, it could be inferred but if I said "these doughnuts are killer" meaning good, it could be inferred that I put poison in them. The language he used wasn’t direct so you can’t take it as a threat.

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Hmmmm

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Hmmm

All starts with this

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I guess from that report that was linked to that the above does not apply anymore. Or this kid is not a person.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jul. 02 2001,14:59 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
you should re-read your own quotes fool.

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

the good of the many outweigh the good of the few...or the one.

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quote:
Originally posted by CatKnight:
the good of the many outweigh the good of the few...or the one.

Hey! Leave Trek out of this

But, you're right. It's the debate and compromise we live every day. We pay in rights and freedoms in order to get security. In this case, he overpaid and should get a refund... like a 'Get Out Of Jail Free' card.

And I agree with the conclusion that 'Zero Tolerance' is a 'Zero Intelligence' policy. It takes discretion out of the hands of the people who are supposed to be exercising it.

I think back to high school, and there were a lot of things that would have gotten me in big trouble, had it been in today's climate. Fucking brats thought they were doing something good for geeks... thought they were sending a message. Fucking fuck fuck shits.

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I'd like to see a cross country protest from students on this issue. You know, like every student in every school being jailed because they got up in class and said one of those catch phrases thats been getting kids in trouble lately. Something like that would get the average person's attention and make everyone re-evaluate this stupid 'zero tolerence' policy. But of course, it will never happen, and it isn't fessible anyway. I'd just like to see it.
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