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masher
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Posted on: May 20 2001,11:39 |
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A report has been released to the Minister of Defence (in Australia, that is) that recommends women should be allowed in combat if they pass male PFTs. What do you think of women in combat situations? Do you know of any defence forces that have implemented this move? I know that the US has to a certain extent. I hope that this won't turn into a mud slinging match, but I know it will. I am particularly interested in the opinions of any former/current members of the defense forces (jim...) I'll start it off. I don't have any reservations on the physical side, they will have to pass male PFTs to get in. I'm a bit hesitent on the efect of male/female interactions in a front line situation. To provide a springboard for flames/argument/reasoned comment, I'll say that I don't like the idea. ------------------ "A woman is always buying something" - Ovid (43? B.C. - 18 A.D.)
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jim
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Posted on: May 20 2001,12:27 |
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It's really hard to discuss this without upsetting someone. But if I had to give a yes or no answer, my answer would be NO. They shouldn't be allowed in combat.Now to every rule there are exceptions. There are a handful of women that I served with that I would gladly fight next to, and trust my life to. But as a general rule, women aren't as suited for combat as men. Even if they CAN pass the male PFT. Cpl. Marie Bullock used to do the Male PFT just to prove what a bad ass she was. As a matter of fact she could 300 a male PFT, which is a perfect score. That's 20 Dead Hang Pull-ups, 3 Miles in 18 min or under, and 80 Sit-ups in 2 minutes. But she still couldn't hump the M-60 10 miles. She also was the type of women who wouldn't listen to orders, especially those from men. She also couldn't fight. Those who have served in the military, and especially those who have seen combat, or even shipped to a hot LZ, will tell you that they don't feel comfortable trusting their lives to a woman soldier. Just as a side note, there were lots of men I served with that I would never want to fight along side either. ------------------ jim Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder Brews and Cues
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CatKnight
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Posted on: May 20 2001,12:47 |
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what's a twain?
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jim
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Posted on: May 20 2001,13:06 |
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quote: Originally posted by CatKnight: i've met them! and damn, they are SEXAH!
Oooooo, that just makes them combat ready right off the bat, doesn't dip shit? Anyway, back on topic. If a woman wants to be president of the US, I'll support that. I voted for Anne Richards as governar of Texas.
Out of 100\% of men and women, generally speaking 90\% of men that can pass a male PFT are suited for combat mentally and phsyically. Out of women the percentages are reversed. I've been there, I've witnessed it! I used to teach NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) warfare, and the women in my class couldn't hack it all when faced with merely non lethal tear gas. If it had been a nerve agent they would be dead, dead, dead... Anyone watch that show Bootcamp? They show some perfect examples of how men just outperform the women. There bodies are NOT genitcally capable of handling the type of stress that mens are. This is why these rules are in place, this is why women don't compete against the men in the Olympics, this why WOMEN DON'T BELONG IN COMBAT!!! ------------------ jim Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder Brews and Cues
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Nene
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Posted on: May 20 2001,13:06 |
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quote: Originally posted by masher: "Once you have pulled the pin from Mr. Grenade, he is no longer your friend." -Unknown (cited in nene, 2001)
woohoo! quote: Originally posted by jim: It's really hard to discuss this without upsetting someone. But if I had to give a yes or no answer, my answer would be NO. They shouldn't be allowed in combat. -snip- But as a general rule, women aren't as suited for combat as men. Even if they CAN pass the male PFT.
GRRRRR. Who's general rule? Yours? I was going to go into the marines. I actually did some reading up on profiles of women in the armed forces. 'as a general rule' is a gross assumption. Now, one interesting thing I did read was that women tend to make fiercer soldiers because they are more protective, and hence more vicious when attacking an agressor. As far as male-female interaction, that's a case-by-case situation. You will have your male pigs and you will have your female sluts. All men in the military aren't perfect, and neither are the women. grrrrr
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