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A witty saying proves nothing.
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In many parts of the country, the "melting pot" idea has been scrapped in favor of a "multicultural" society, where each group is distinct. (Separate but equal, anyone?)

Still haven't figured out what they're really driving at.

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When 1337 hax0rs start impaling each other with swords and typing code with a hook on one hand, then they can modify the term "pirate."

b) our culture is no longer a melting pot because certain political groups *ahem* seem to think that forcing diversity while at the same time reinforcing culturual and moral relativism is a good idea. imagine that. instead of getting everyone to all believe in the same thing and to fight/work/mate with each other, get a bunch of people in one country to all hate each other, and that way everyone will be better off! we wouldn't even need any of this "national pride" stuff you probably heard about somewhere.

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well it sure worked well in eastern europe.

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hey speaking of which, didn't we just fight a war there to end some ethnic cleansing that was going down? I wonder what caused that?

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Originally posted by ic0n0:
to me out nation doesn’t seem to allow black people or minorities to clam any other ancestry

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In my experience, it's not always our nation that does not allow minorities to claim other ethnicity, it's often the people themselves. Both are to blame.

I personally have no problem calling myself an American, even though my ancestors came from somewhere else. Nor do I have a problem calling any black, white, yellow, brown, red, green, or purple person an American.

I've been in college for six years now (yes, I did graduate once, now on my Master's), and I'm sick to death of political correctness and multiculturalism. This may come as a surprise, but as a white, middle-class, male in the University setting, I actually sometimes get treated like I'm less important than everyone else. Everyone is so concerned about not offending the africans, asians, hispanics, women, etc. that they forget the greatest thing about college: we're all here, therefore we all are equal. I'm no better or worse, no more or less deserving, than any other student here. Some profs get it, some don't. Some employees get it, some don't. Some administrators get it, some don't.

Also, it seems to me to be a strange disparity. Some people want to be Americans to fit in, but want to retain any special "privileges" that thier minority status grants them. I don't know.

I'm an American. Are you? Yes? Ok, great, then let's be Americans together. What? so your skin is a slightly different color, so what? Are you an American? Yes? Ok.

It's not that hard, folks.

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Still haven't figured out what they're really driving at.

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its one of marx's bag'o'tricks. it's on page of the communist manifesto, if you have that handy.

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A witty saying proves nothing.
Voltaire

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Originally posted by ic0n0:
We need to change our culture and accept the culture of these other groups into out own then things might change and we might become truly American.

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So then how would you define your new "American Culture"? Who should decide which aspects of which culture become part of the "mainstream"? I'm not trying to thump the conservative bible here, I'd just like more details than politic-speak I hear all the time.

CK, I'm quite familiar with the textbook Quinn responses. I was looking for their reasoning that didn't conflict with earlier civil rights struggles. That's why I mentioned the "Separate but Equal" doctrine. Forty or so years ago, such an idea was deemed racist. Now it appears to me that's what they're shooting for.

Beldurin: Is this close to what you experienced?

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When 1337 hax0rs start impaling each other with swords and typing code with a hook on one hand, then they can modify the term "pirate."

This message has been edited by Observer on December 12, 2001 at 11:48 AM

wtf are you complaining about exactly, ic0n0? what do you want to see changed?

edit-damn you observer keep beating my posts hehe. as a matter of fact none of those posts came from quinn in any way, although most of my other posts did (which you didn't pick up on or didn't point out), ironically enough.

This message has been edited by CatKnight on December 12, 2001 at 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by CatKnight:
hey anyone can contradict facts. I could prove black is white and white is black, and then get killed at the next zebra crossing. however, I have proof. you have zilch.

america used to be a melting pot, where all cultures came together to be called americans.

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Time period, please. Cuz I don't believe there was any such time where that was true for anyone except Caucasians. And even among Caucasians there were clashes between the old immigrants and new immigrants...eg when the Irish came over, or the Italians.

two caveats to your earlier post:
a) it's not white people who are "supressing" blacks, it's al sharpton and the like who (quote from quinn) have nothing better to do then incite civil unrest.
b)white people won't be down to 50\% of the population for several decades. that's not even a minority, that just means 50\% white, 10\% black, 10\% asian, 10\% hispanic, etc.

There will always be minorities racially. That's why you don't perscribe social change that has even a vague mention of a racial minority. If you do, you are just falling for the plight of the working class marxist crap which by now we should all agree, is a bad idea.

This message has been edited by CatKnight on December 12, 2001 at 02:14 PM