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damien_s_lucifer 
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Posted on: Sep. 13 2001,03:27 |
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Ah. A tried, tested plan that we KNOW works.When was the last time Germany and Japan thought about bombing anyone???? They don't, because they're too busy making cars and TVs and getting rich. I say we : - Have a nice chat with Mr. Arafat and the other rational leaders of Middle Eastern countries. Talk him into letting us take over Palestine as calmly and peacefully as we possibly can. Tell him we are there to PERMANENTLY transform the Middle East into a peaceful and prosperous region of the world, because war sucks ass. Back up these words by our actions. - On our way in, tell all Israeli soldiers to get the fuck out of ALL Palestinian territory, or risk us taking over THEIR country as well. They have completely mishandled the Palestinian situation for decades - I mean, who the fuck hoses down a rock-throwing crowd with MACHINE GUNS??? This is the 21st century, people, time to start acting like the civilized human beings we all think we are. - Tell other nations that are UNHAPPY with our presence that we are here to enforce peace. Any violence against us, the Palestinians, or the Israelis will result in the responsible country being turned into glass. - Set up a real government for the Palestinians, like we did for Germany and Japan. Give them public education. Give them science and math and reading and economics and critical thinking and all that other imperialistic American crap. Let them worship whoever they want, and say what they want, just so long as nobody's preaching a killing spree against someone else. - Assist other willing Arabic nations in doing the same thing. - Any national monuments that have meaning to more than one religion will be permanently administered by the UN, who will be responsible for maintaining peace and enacting rules necessary for the preservation of these monuments. - Hang around for a few years until we're sure the new government is working well. Then leave. - Make sure we keep a few military bases there just in case anyone in the area decides to act like little bitch0rs and take over someone else.
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damien_s_lucifer
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quote:
Originally posted by CatKnight:
first of all, there is no palestinian state.
Which is why they're pissed off. Somebody screwed up a long time ago when they made just Israel, instead of Israel and Palestine. quote:
remember, you cannot forget that it's the palestinians who are bombing civilians, NOT the IDF.
It's NOT the Palestinians. It's some crazy Saudi Arabian motherfucker who is using the Palestinian problem to further his own America-hating rhetoric. That's why I say we resolve the Palestine-Israel situation - the US / UN fucked up in the first place when they created Israel without protecting Palestine. We owe it to them to set things right. And if we pull it off, we knock out one of the foundations of anti-American sentiment. It's hard to hate someone who's helping you. quote:
i don't think the populace would take too kindly to being invaded anyway.
Depends on how we did it. If we acted like the IDF does, rolling in with SWAT teams just to kill some people who are throwing rocks, they'd hate us. On the other hand, if we're flying Yasir Arafat around in a cool helicopter, handing out air conditioners to a few lucky winners, and generally bringing peace and prosperity to their home, they'd think we were the shiznit. edit: CK, please don't take this as an anti-Jew / anti-Israel rant. We let BOTH sides down. We should've had a *very* strong military presence in the Middle East decades ago, not only to protect the international oil supply, but to maintain peace and stability for the people who produce the oil for us. Nobody likes war, except for a few power-mad individuals, and one of the responsibilities of being the Good and Freedom-Loving Superpower is to keep would-be villains in check. This message has been edited by damien_s_lucifer on September 13, 2001 at 11:07 PM
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WillyPete
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Don't sweat over it DSL. If it was anyone's fault over maintaining a presence in Palestine/Israel it was the UK's fault. It was our protectorate when we decided to hand it to the Isrealis.
We just pulled out without realising the effect it would have.
Kind of like the French in Algieria and VietNam.
Should have's and Could have's are a waste.
A charitable attitude is a better outlook. Give these people something to lose. If you have nothing to lose, you're more likely to drive a jet into a building or a truck bomb into a barracks. Materialism is a powerful sedative.
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Hellraiser
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Posted on: Sep. 13 2001,23:03 |
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Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
Ah. A tried, tested plan that we KNOW works.
Just one major problem with your plan. Arabic culture is supremely different from both western and far-eastern culture. This plan assumes that the arabs would be open to the same kind of ideas as Japan (a far-eastern nation) and Germany (a western nation). Second, get your facts straight before you post something like that. It seems everyone here except catknight is under the mistaken impression that Israel is the instigator in the Israel/Palestine conflict. Virtually every event in the history of the conflict can be traced to Palestinians commiting acts of war on Israelis. This is consistent with the mindset in the Arab world, the value of life is very little. Any place where a father would kill his own daughter for talking to an enemy soildier who was asking for directions to leave a village definitely does not share our western views on the sanctity of life. Israel, however, being a nation based on the Jewish faith where the value placed on life is similar to here in the west (because our code of ethics is actually a hand-me-down from them through christianity). When coming up with solutions, one cannot generalize that the peoples involved will share our western view that productivity, education, and wealth are good things. In fact, the fact that the arabic world does not highly favor capitalism is very clear from the choice of targets in tuesday's attack: the symbols of capitalism. I am not trying to generalize all Arabs or say that the Arabic way is bad, just that they think differently from the way we think because of the way they are raised from the day they're born. If you want to know a little more about the differences between Western and Middle-eastern thought, read a few books like Not Without My Daughter. Though frequently tainted with western condemnation of the differences middle-eastern culture, those differences nonetheless exist and need to be carefully weighed in any solution. Please read what I wrote carefully and think about it before you shoot off about my "racist" remarks because they are intended to be nothing of the sort. ------------------
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Hellraiser
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Posted on: Sep. 13 2001,23:36 |
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Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
HellRaiser, you have just raised the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT used against the Germans and the Japanese in World War II - "they're totally different from us. They're barely even human."It was racist then, and it's racist now.
Except that it wasn't true then and it is now. Both pre-war and post-war Japan and Germany were countries that shared western ideals in terms of placing value on education and productivity. Most of the middle east does not, else they'd produce more than oil and agricultural goods for world trade. I'd love to be proven wrong on this point, so maybe Bush should propose this solution. I somehow have grave reservations based on what I understand of Arabic thought. And That statement is not racist. It is demonstrable that different groups of people with different cultural backgrounds think in different ways. This can even be demonstrated in choice of words in statements. I don't have any examples right now, but if I wanted to, I could dig out some history books and pull hundreds of examples from past literature. Okay here's one: in some tribal societies, there is no word for Mine posessive, and in those societies, the concept of ownership is non-existant, everything belongs to everyone in the village, so there are no fights over who owns what. If someone needs it, since it is village property he can use it, and if someone else needs it more, he gets priority. I got that one straight off of PBS, so take it with a grain of salt if you want. I do have first-hand experience with some of the differences between Arabic and western thought: one of my friends is an Albanian woman who married an Arab immigrant. Many of the things she has told me and that I have observed about him in relation to the general way in which most people of western descent that I know think bear up what I stated in my previous post. Of course I know that if you know one you don't know them all, and I am leaving room for many Arabic people to not share these characteristics, but consider this: saying that Marxists and Capitalists have different views on how society should work is true and not racist. ------------------
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