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I have just started following the presidential race, right after I read today that Bush wants to open up oil drilling in a protected natural preserve in Alaska. I can't believe this! I agree gas prices are high, but come on.. There is a better solution that destroying more of the planet than we already have.
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To me it's pretty obvious that he's pandering to the oil companies and that's just wrong in my book. in 200 years when we are using fuel cells for clean power (or something no one yet has thought of) i hope no one looks back in shame and laments about the complete destruction of the environment in the early 2000's just for the last few drops of oil.
It's a limited resource that IS GOING TO RUN OUT. Face the facts-- we must come up with a different cleaner source of power soon, not open up our last oil reserves because poeple are upset about the Ū.00/gallon they're paying to fill up their 40 gallon V-8 SUV.
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So, sorry for the rant, but that's the reason i'm NOT voting for Bush. I dont think i'll vote for Gore either, he just seems like a wacko moron.

I'm voting for Harry Browne the Libertarian candidate. Even though he won't win, my conscience won't allow me to vote democrat or republican.

Since i haven't been keeping up, is there anything good or bad about Gore we should know about? Who are you voting for?

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You're voting Libertarian? You're crazy and I don't trust you.

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look, why make a vote that does not count. thats so fucking pointless. I dont care what you vote, but at least make it a vote that matters. Shit man, i know gore is kinda stupid, bush is not altogether reliable, but making a vote that does not count is like not voting at all. So either vote for bush or gore, or dont vote at all.

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unless you get half the nation to vote for harry brown dont mention voting for him again.

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yeah that makes so much sense..... the government protecting all this land for the people of this country....and we can't use it.

a lot of it, we can't even set foot on it. there are millions of acres of land out west that no human being is allowed to be on, because the government has protected it. when it catches on fire due to the fact that loggers can't remove the old, dead trees, it burns for a long time and millions of acres get destroyed because there are no roads that firefighters can use to get inside it and fight the fires...

the government protecting land? that's the biggest load of bullshit i ever heard.

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PostIcon Posted on: Sep. 29 2000,23:24 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

I don't care who you vote for, your vote still counts, I personally don't want either candidate to win, Bush is a complete moron, with no leadership skills, and while Gore wouldn't have been a bad choice, his choice of Leiberman for VP killed my vote for him right there, Leiberman likes the idea of censorship alittle too much. Therefor i'm voting for Nader, i don't care if there's no chance of him winning, but atleast i'm not casting my vote for the two worst choices for president in my entire life.
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How can you honestly say it's throwing a vote away? It's not meaningless. at the very least it shows the politicians in office that some of us value freedom enough, and believe in these [Libertarian] ideals enough to vote for a candidate that's not going to win.
When politicians see that this many people take a stand on an issue, they'll be more inclined to go with the flow as it were.

It's sure as hell better than being a sheep blindky led to the slaughter!
(no offense of course )

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what you should do is vote for the candidate who has a chance fo winning who's views most closely go with yours. take the vote test at govote.com, and it lists your similarities with the diff candidates, it said i was a liberal libertarian, and fit me with harry browne. now if i could vote, i wouldnt vote for harry browne, because id be throwing away my vote. id vote for gore, because he has a chance of winning, and i like him better than lieberman.

for all of you who dont know, the VP has almost no real power. the VP is sort of used as a balancing act (i did a short report on this) for example, if people had decided that gore was too conservative (i know hes nto, but follow me here) he would have chosen a much more liberal candidate. however, in order to get the swing votes, he has chosen lieberman for 3 reasons. 1, because it helps him to distance himself from clinton's sex scandals. 2, because he is so much more conservative, he will draw in more moderate voters. 3, because he is jewish, that will attract a lot of votes. the same can be seen with Bush's choice of a candidate. at the time of bush choosing cheney, he was far ahead in the polls, and didnt need a boost, so he decided to go with someone who wouldnt be a burden on him when he got in the white house. cheney is a pretty middle kinda guy, i mean just hearing the name cheney doesnt really bring out anything besides teh idea "running mate". this can be seen back in the 96 election too, dole was losing, so he got kemp to be his running mate, and even though they didnt really like each other, it helped them in the polls, and so it was basically a detail to be worked out later.

the point is choosing a candidate based on a running mate is not a good idea. also, dont throw your vote away, instead use it to strategically get things you want.

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But you see, i'm not throwing my vote away, i'm using it to show how i feel about the candidates, and besides, leibermann has already gotten enough media attention about how he wants to save the children. I don't want him deciding a deadlock censorship bill in congress because he will vote for it. And besides if something happens to gore, i don't want leibermann in office.
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PostIcon Posted on: Sep. 30 2000,13:12 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

(computer, engage rant protocol)
*affirmative, rant protocol now active*

Bandwagon riders...

VOTING FOR THIRD PARTY CANDIDATES DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!!

Sorry for shouting. I'm voting Nader, because support of third party candidated will allow their voices to be heard. If a third party manages to get a significant voting chunk in any state, or in the unlikely event that they carry a state, the political system will seriously consider them. A vote for Nader is not a vote for Bush, a vote for Bush is a vote for Bush! I'll say this right now, Gore will win. Michael Moore stated that America is not stupid enough to let Bush win, and I agree. Of course, those with wavering faith in the intelligence of the average American will be scared of the possibility of a Bush victory.

"Oh no! If Bush wins, Roe v. Wade is history!"

Bush may say he's so super pro-life, but if he overturns Roe v. Wade, he's gone. He will not be re-elected, and whomever replaces him will most probably run their campaign on the fundamental basis of reinstating Roe v. Wade. Outlawing abortion is political suicide. He's DONE if he goes ahead and does that.

Okay, now that I have quelled your Bush fears, I will badmouth Gore for a bit. First off HE'S TIPPER GORE'S FUCKING HUSBAND!!!!!!!!! Sorry again for shouting, but if Tipper has any influence on the president at all, expect to see more warning labels on pretty much everything. Movies, video games, hell, she may even go for BOOKS! If Tipper has the balls of the most powerful man in our country in a salad shooter (so to speak) the country will be sticky with warning label residue. Second, Gore is the bitch of big compaines. (note: Bush is also the corporations' bitch) He will fuck over America, because the ones who got him elected are the stupid people who saw his commercials. Who paid for them? Corporations. Who does Gore owe big time? Corporations.

Nader will not kiss ass to corporations. He is running his campaign on donations by individuals alone. He has no debts to big business. This, in my eyes, makes him a much more valid candidate that the "real" candidates, Bush and Gore.

In conclusion, fuck Bush, fuck Gore, especially fuck Tipper, and GO GREEN!

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This election is somewhat pathetic... nobody is really in love with either of the candidates, but merely chooses the better of the two.

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